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Post by qprman on Aug 7, 2023 9:45:40 GMT
Lots of noise about manager but who is available that could / would be a good appointment ?
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Post by surreychad on Aug 7, 2023 10:25:16 GMT
Not going to get involved in this, why speculate in something that wont happen.
If pushed I would say Mikel Arteta!
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Post by nomar on Aug 7, 2023 11:05:41 GMT
I’m not sure changing the manager would suddenly cure all the ills of this club.
Ainsworth is a complete departure from everything this club was modelling itself on. As Dave McIntyre said, they threw out the bath water, bath and baby when they appointed him.
Almost a case of making your bed, being sick in it and now you have to lie in it.
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Post by robindubois on Aug 7, 2023 14:19:54 GMT
I’m not sure changing the manager would suddenly cure all the ills of this club. Ainsworth is a complete departure from everything this club was modelling itself on. As Dave McIntyre said, they threw out the bath water, bath and baby when they appointed him. Almost a case of making your bed, being sick in it and now you have to lie in it. Agree completely with all of that but while a change would not cure all the ills I am sure it would change a few things on the pitch which at the moment is the top priority imo, and it cannot get worse than it is at the moment. Who would we want - doubt anyone we would really want would want to take us on and everyone will have a different opinion so not worth discussing as I doubt the club will lose face and more money by changing now. How about making our keeper player manager or get Joey Barton or .......hundreds of unknown to us good managers home and abroad but we always want to go for a known name or a "QPR" favourite and look where that has taken us. Up the creek without a paddle is being kind. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 7, 2023 18:01:11 GMT
If we cannot afford to buy Ainsworth some players, then we certainly cannot afford to sack him either.
The reality seems to be that we could not afford to sack Critchley either.
But in sacking Critchley and paying compo, we needed to get it right.
In Ainsworth, it was a clear statement of a total change of direction.
Perhaps it was a last throw of the dice, but the owners have little choice now but to stick with him.
For a total change of direction, he was always going to need time to build.
Trouble is, it is bloody awful, the changes have not really arrived. It is just a further decline to what went before.
His decisions have compounded an already bad situation.
Of course, if we sell someone for real money, then things may change.
But key question to fellow posters:
If we sell a player, do you want what money it frees up, to be spent on paying Ainsworth compo and securing a new manager, or should the money be spent on signing players?
Because it will probably be one or the other.
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Post by robindubois on Aug 7, 2023 21:11:20 GMT
If we cannot afford to buy Ainsworth some players, then we certainly cannot afford to sack him either. The reality seems to be that we could not afford to sack Critchley either. But in sacking Critchley and paying compo, we needed to get it right. In Ainsworth, it was a clear statement of a total change of direction. Perhaps it was a last throw of the dice, but the owners have little choice now but to stick with him. For a total change of direction, he was always going to need time to build. Trouble is, it is bloody awful, the changes have not really arrived. It is just a further decline to what went before. His decisions have compounded an already bad situation. Of course, if we sell someone for real money, then things may change. But key question to fellow posters: If we sell a player, do you want what money it frees up, to be spent on paying Ainsworth compo and securing a new manager, or should the money be spent on signing players? Because it will probably be one or the other. Alternative solution. Do not sack Ainsworth but put him on garden leave relieved of all duties. We pay his salary monthly but he cannot work elsewhere as he is under contract to us. He can sit at home for 3 years collecting salary from us and he will then be finished in football. If however he finds a league 2 type job suitable to his style he can resign and go and we pay no compensation. Meanwhile we appoint a new man maybe with a different title to avoid counter claims. Ainsworth can try to sue but based on results since he joined does not stand a chance. Hopefully then we do not sell any of our better players but send Kelman and a handful of other young players not needed this season out on loan and the saving in their salaries allows us for example to pay the salary for someone like Steve Cook and one other. We have talented players who are just not performing or even not being played and are only a few short of a decent Championship team - if they are playing for a manager who knows what he is doing and with modern day tactics instead of out of date kick and rush we would be ok. |
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Post by egranger on Aug 7, 2023 23:38:09 GMT
To whoever started this thread and you:
Show some respect for a player who always gave 100% when he played for the Rs - well over 100 appearances. He has also stepped in twice as Caretaker manager I think.
We have little or no money to spend on replacements and both our first choice centre backs injured and yet you want to put our manager on gardening leave for three years and “finish” his career.
Does GA deserve this treatment?
We are only one match into the season.
Unbelievable.
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Post by robindubois on Aug 8, 2023 8:37:31 GMT
To whoever started this thread and you: Show some respect for a player who always gave 100% when he played for the Rs - well over 100 appearances. He has also stepped in twice as Caretaker manager I think. We have little or no money to spend on replacements and both our first choice centre backs injured and yet you want to put our manager on gardening leave for three years and “finish” his career. Does GA deserve this treatment? We are only one match into the season. Unbelievable. To egranger: I assume the "and you" refers to me so first of all take your own advice and show some respect. Secondly either you have misread or misunderstood my comments that were in response to Ricky's question on compensation v's signings. I purely pointed out there is another way to deal with the situation without paying compensation rather than sacking someone. I do not want to end Ainsworth's career, purely pointing out that he could sit at home and take the cash for 3 years and effectively end his own career or resign and move on. His choice and no one else's. We all know the situation with injuries etc but they are being compounded by our managers approach. When our manager is telling players before the season kicks off that they are the worst team in the division and not only favourites to be relegated but favourites to finish bottom there is something wrong. When our manager leaves probably our best player on the bench until the 97th minute of a game I think that is disrespectful to the player and hardly helping a team that needs his talent rather than a league 2 runner. You ask if Ainsworth deserves this treatment. Well based on some of his comments before and after recent games he is either watching different games than we are, is living in an alternative universe, or has totally lost the plot and frankly treats fans as idiots. The fans do not deserve that. While Ainsworth gave his all 20 years ago, or however long it was, that is in the past and that is the problem. A good or committed player does not necessarily make a good manager. Ainsworth is using the same approach and looking for 11 clones of himself from 20 years ago while the game has moved on and he has been left behind. While Saturday was the first game of the season it was Ainsworth's 14th. game in charge, plus a whole pre-season and friendlies so he has had time - but 10 goals scored and 3 wins from 14 in the league is a record that has seen many previous manager shown the door. Among those ushered out (or a different reason) was a certain Ian Holloway who was put on the garden leave approach that I commented on - one that is often used in other professions. After just on 65 years of supporting the R's I can respect what Ainsworth did as a player but I am more concerned about where the club are now and it's future. As I have stated in previous posts, in all these years I have never once called for a manager to be replaced so the fact that I have done so on this occasion is sad but a reflection of what many fans are feeling. Hopefully we will improve by Saturday and at least have a decent shot on target as encouragement. |
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Post by robindubois on Aug 8, 2023 13:05:12 GMT
If it is any comfort about our situation Wolves are considering sacking their manager before the season even starts.
The rumoured replacement is Gary O'Neil - a whole hearted midfielder with 21st century ideas and PL managerial experience who gave his all for QPR including the famous red card at Wembley that eventually helped us win promotion. Would have been one of my favourites to be our manager but probably out of our price range now - unless he loves the club ...........
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Post by stylecouncillor on Aug 8, 2023 15:02:04 GMT
If it is any comfort about our situation Wolves are considering sacking their manager before the season even starts. The rumoured replacement is Gary O'Neil - a whole hearted midfielder with 21st century ideas and PL managerial experience who gave his all for QPR including the famous red card at Wembley that eventually helped us win promotion. Would have been one of my favourites to be our manager but probably out of our price range now - unless he loves the club ........... Yes I've seen this and agree with O'Neil idea. I've kept out of this whole debate, but read all posts. Some general points IMHO. Ainsworth should of been appointed when JFH was .Its all just to late. When Warbs and Beale came in they had decent links with big Scottish and Premier clubs. I Feel GA has only lower league and ironically QPR links. Gareth earned a reprieve after last years end of season "escape ". Though maybe as much by luck as judgement, and not pretty I can almost forgive anything with Results. Though getting thumped forgiveness won't last very long. I also think we can't keep preserving people based on loyalty . To many Legends are allowed to continue for to long failing Sir Les being a classic point,and the academy being another. My point on the academy being strengthened by Kelman not good enough for the 1st team and should be loaned out apparently.... He was signed from Southend at 17 he's 21 ... when is he going to be good enough?... I have to admit I don't like calling out players and managers.... but when is long enough ,enough time? |
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Post by egranger on Aug 8, 2023 16:08:07 GMT
To whoever started this thread and you: Show some respect for a player who always gave 100% when he played for the Rs - well over 100 appearances. He has also stepped in twice as Caretaker manager I think. We have little or no money to spend on replacements and both our first choice centre backs injured and yet you want to put our manager on gardening leave for three years and “finish” his career. Does GA deserve this treatment? We are only one match into the season. Unbelievable. To egranger: I assume the "and you" refers to me so first of all take your own advice and show some respect. Secondly either you have misread or misunderstood my comments that were in response to Ricky's question on compensation v's signings. I purely pointed out there is another way to deal with the situation without paying compensation rather than sacking someone. I do not want to end Ainsworth's career, purely pointing out that he could sit at home and take the cash for 3 years and effectively end his own career or resign and move on. His choice and no one else's. We all know the situation with injuries etc but they are being compounded by our managers approach. When our manager is telling players before the season kicks off that they are the worst team in the division and not only favourites to be relegated but favourites to finish bottom there is something wrong. When our manager leaves probably our best player on the bench until the 97th minute of a game I think that is disrespectful to the player and hardly helping a team that needs his talent rather than a league 2 runner. You ask if Ainsworth deserves this treatment. Well based on some of his comments before and after recent games he is either watching different games than we are, is living in an alternative universe, or has totally lost the plot and frankly treats fans as idiots. The fans do not deserve that. While Ainsworth gave his all 20 years ago, or however long it was, that is in the past and that is the problem. A good or committed player does not necessarily make a good manager. Ainsworth is using the same approach and looking for 11 clones of himself from 20 years ago while the game has moved on and he has been left behind. While Saturday was the first game of the season it was Ainsworth's 14th. game in charge, plus a whole pre-season and friendlies so he has had time - but 10 goals scored and 3 wins from 14 in the league is a record that has seen many previous manager shown the door. Among those ushered out (or a different reason) was a certain Ian Holloway who was put on the garden leave approach that I commented on - one that is often used in other professions. After just on 65 years of supporting the R's I can respect what Ainsworth did as a player but I am more concerned about where the club are now and it's future. As I have stated in previous posts, in all these years I have never once called for a manager to be replaced so the fact that I have done so on this occasion is sad but a reflection of what many fans are feeling. Hopefully we will improve by Saturday and at least have a decent shot on target as encouragement. |
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Post by egranger on Aug 8, 2023 16:22:42 GMT
sorry Robindubois - I meant you no disrespect and maybe I have misunderstood your answer - but I will just say I disagree with your points and surprised at your lack of tolerance to the current manager in view of some of the managers we have both had to put up with over the years. This is no time to be replacing the manager, after one game of this season. However I do agree with your hope that there is an improvement this Saturday when we travel to Cardiff :-)
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Post by nomar on Aug 8, 2023 17:13:41 GMT
This isn’t aimed at anyone on here either, but I can understand the frustrations, although some of the vitriol and personal abuse aimed at Ainsworth on social media is totally unacceptable.
It’s a sad reflection of the times we’re living in and it’s not just QPR managers it happens to, but it really isn’t necessary.
Based on Dave MacIntyre’s comments, the board seems to be committed to Ainsworth and know it’s going to take time to fix, so it doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere any time soon.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 10, 2023 1:09:15 GMT
If only Ainsworth was given some players to actually work with.
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