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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2023 16:45:44 GMT
Ainsworth said he knew all along what he was getting into. Maybe the numbers have changed. I watched the video. Most comments extremely worrying especially re Gape and all we need is more running and effort. Ainsworth seemed totally blown already almost speechless and left me feeling he does not have a clue what to do next. We will see but if Dunne is as bad as it seems we have a massive problem. Glad to see Rangersman has crawled out from under his stone as expected. As a leader of the constant sack the manager clan he got what he wanted with Ainsworth. As they say you made you bed now lye in it. If he thinks the season will be a hoot or the situation is laughable I feel sorry for him Yes, it’s likely Ainsworth will be gone fairly quickly, but the rot lies much deeper than just the manager. Ironically, Ainsworth is the first gaffer who has clearly identified the problems and is looking to fix the culture from within. No one knows what will happen this season, but to all intents and purposes we look most likely to be relegated. At that point, surely someone like Ainsworth would then be the kind of manager that people who are calling for his head now would be screaming for us to appoint to try and get us out of League 1 at the first attempt? I’m at the point where I think the only way this club moves forward now is by going backwards first. A bit like Sunderland, we may have to spend some time down in the lower tiers of football in order to root out the whole infection that has spread like gangrene to all parts of this club. |
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 30, 2023 20:20:34 GMT
Except Sunderland truly are a Big club who can get the fan support. We cant
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Post by robindubois on Jul 31, 2023 8:33:30 GMT
Ainsworth said he knew all along what he was getting into. Maybe the numbers have changed. I watched the video. Most comments extremely worrying especially re Gape and all we need is more running and effort. Ainsworth seemed totally blown already almost speechless and left me feeling he does not have a clue what to do next. We will see but if Dunne is as bad as it seems we have a massive problem. Glad to see Rangersman has crawled out from under his stone as expected. As a leader of the constant sack the manager clan he got what he wanted with Ainsworth. As they say you made you bed now lye in it. If he thinks the season will be a hoot or the situation is laughable I feel sorry for him Yes, it’s likely Ainsworth will be gone fairly quickly, but the rot lies much deeper than just the manager. Ironically, Ainsworth is the first gaffer who has clearly identified the problems and is looking to fix the culture from within. No one knows what will happen this season, but to all intents and purposes we look most likely to be relegated. At that point, surely someone like Ainsworth would then be the kind of manager that people who are calling for his head now would be screaming for us to appoint to try and get us out of League 1 at the first attempt? I’m at the point where I think the only way this club moves forward now is by going backwards first. A bit like Sunderland, we may have to spend some time down in the lower tiers of football in order to root out the whole infection that has spread like gangrene to all parts of this club. Agreed the problems go much deeper than just the manager and many are financially linked so I think the statement "the whole infection that has spread like gangrene to all parts of this club" is a bit of an over statement.. It is not Ainsworths job to re-organise and change the whole club. He needs to be coaching the players and providing some motivation and confidence to players and fans. Seeing a brow beaten manager pre-season say his only ambition is to avoid relegation does neither. With all due respect to Ainsworth I doubt very much that he has identified the clubs problems, he has neither had the time or imo the knowledge to do that. He is recreating a Wycombe type playing structure that he knows will survive in the First Division. If we or any other club relegated looking to bounce straight back from League 1 would everyone really be screaming for Ainsworth to be the best man to get the team back. Obviously not - otherwise he would not have been stuck at Wycombe for 12 years with no suitors looking to take him on. I believe other managers have certainly worked out the issue, Warburton for one but when he wants dto do things his way to correct problems he was shown the door. Beale probably worked it out very quickly but now with no DOF it seem Ainsworth has been given a more free hand but does not have the ability at this level to get on top of things without some strong guidance and support. I can see the point that maybe we have to take a step back to be able to take a step forward and I think we are doing that already this season with our limited squad and zero budget. I do not believe that it takes relegation to take a step back though. Accepting where we are and enduring a hard relegation battle but surviving to slowly rebuild as we go is a step back from what many impatient fans want, other clubs have done it and others are doing it now as well. Top of the table last October with PL loan players littering the squad to where we are today is a big step backwards The idea of bouncing back from relegation is a pipe dream. Unlike the PL we will not get big parachute payments or any financial benefit. Relegation may decrease costs by getting lesser players but how does that bring about promotion. Loftus Road is the elephant around the clubs neck with the cost of running maintaining the stadium and the restriction on attendances. Sunderland have the Stadium of light and a massive fan base from a massive catchment area with Boro and Newcastle the main rivals. They would see crowds up to 20,000 to 30,000 when they were in the First Division. We would be lucky to get 10,000. Other clubs have dropped down and built up -Luton and Coventry being the best examples but that took years not a bounce back at the first attempt. Even Sunderland took a few seasons to make it. We are in West London with a second rate uncomfortable ground. We have PL football being played at Brentford Fulham, Chelsea, within basically walking difference in stadiums far super to our own and Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Palace and now even Luton in the PL so why are new fans that we need to generate income come flooding to watch first division football in the discomfort of Loftus Road. |
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Post by kerrins on Jul 31, 2023 11:06:42 GMT
From the departure of Beale right up to the end of the season in the vast majority of fixtures collectively the team were a bunch of NON TRIERS. Only those two freakish miracle victories away at Burnley and Stoke(where the players did in fact give their all) kept us in this Division.
Above all in this encounter the players appeared not to give a Stuff. Ok its a friendly but what an attitude!
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Post by harr on Jul 31, 2023 13:45:00 GMT
Have to agree, I can’t really think of a team where the attitude wasn’t to care.
I go back to earlier squads , not the best teams on paper but they were triers and didnt give up like this lot do when there 1 down.
Not quite sure of Ainsworths comments of late saying we know we are going to struggle this year etc, get on with it, stop making excuses.
To me when the Man at the top comes out with we are going to struggle this year, what does that say to the players.
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Post by robindubois on Jul 31, 2023 14:04:42 GMT
Have to agree, I can’t really think of a team where the attitude wasn’t to care. I go back to earlier squads , not the best teams on paper but they were triers and didnt give up like this lot do when there 1 down. Not quite sure of Ainsworths comments of late saying we know we are going to struggle this year etc, get on with it, stop making excuses. To me when the Man at the top comes out with we are going to struggle this year, what does that say to the players. 100% spot on. What has happened in the past has happened and should be gone and buried by now and looking forward. As you say if the man in charge of the players is telling them they are going to struggle they will struggle, not to mention the fans . Maybe he wants to parade us as useless and then take credit if we stay up. It's like kicking the players and fans in the n*ts and telling us "that hurts but I will make it better" Leadership is about creating a vision and a strategy to reach the vision and then getting the team to buy into and implement it. If the vision being created is "at best we are going to struggle" I doubt the players or fans will buy into it but can certainly switch off and achieve it. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 31, 2023 20:09:18 GMT
But if Ainsworth came out and said that we are doing well and going to try and finish in the top 6 or higher with the current squad, We'd all be calling him delusional. Even though, that is what we should be aiming for - Top 6. but.....reality bites.
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Post by robindubois on Aug 1, 2023 7:52:32 GMT
But if Ainsworth came out and said that we are doing well and going to try and finish in the top 6 ot higher with the current squad, We'd all be calling him delusional. Even though, that is what we should be aiming for - Top 6. but.....reality bites. Agreed but there is an in-between. Many mangers will not be predicting final positions but will certainly be making positive noises about improving , rebuilding hoping to get close etc. The point is that the players need confidence and when our manager is publicly stating that we are C**p and will struggle to survive and when you see his body language, as after the Oxford game, it does nothing to build confidence in the players own abilities or that of the manager - in fact it does the opposite. Saying he is happy with where we are in certain areas after just being thrashed by Oxford is also hard to take. Maybe his comments were aimed at the Board to pressure new signings as things seem to be moving on the transfer front but if so that should be done behind closed doors and not splashed across the press/internet |
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Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2023 13:13:37 GMT
But if Ainsworth came out and said that we are doing well and going to try and finish in the top 6 ot higher with the current squad, We'd all be calling him delusional. Even though, that is what we should be aiming for - Top 6. but.....reality bites. Absolutely this, lone. I'm glad it's not just me that sees this. I think that, no matter what he says or does, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I swear people can't wait to jump on anything he says and use it to beat him down with. |
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Post by harr on Aug 1, 2023 13:18:05 GMT
I don’t think he should keep saying we are going to struggle this year, it’s just bad.
However reading tweets from diehard Wycombe fans he used to say the exact stuff every year to them.
They said they just got used to him saying it every year but didn’t think it was a wise move to start it straight away here.
It’s like a standard thing for him apparently.
Personally I don’t like it as it sends wrong message to the players, why not just say nothing and make sure your team competes unlike the Oxford garbage.
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Post by harr on Aug 1, 2023 18:40:48 GMT
Smyth and Fox getting minutes tonight, oh and that Gape 🙄 |
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Post by robindubois on Aug 2, 2023 8:54:42 GMT
Smyth and Fox getting minutes tonight, oh and that Gape 🙄 Any idea who the 2 trialists were last night - both on as subs, one for Fox so probably a CB and one for Smyth so maybe a striker? Fox had 60 minutes play, Gape and Smyth 45 each so I expect they will appear in the squad on Saturday...... or maybe that's the end of Gape (doubt it ) |
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