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Post by robindubois on Nov 23, 2022 14:21:45 GMT
Or could Beale be feeling his security is not that great at QPR - and that if he's got a chance to get out (and arguably up) should take him now I doubt that is the case. He has a high level of confidence in his own ability and knows from all the interest in him and the opinions of our fans and management that he is highly regarded. We have had a bad run of 5 games, which even before it happened, Beale had said we would have at some stage just like every club in the division will go through such a blip. With most of the squad returning to fitness now he must have been looking for a return to winning ways and I cannot believe the club are questioning his ability because of a 5 match spell. If it turned into a second half season as we had last season opinions could change but again what would we be saying if the club sacked a manager who is highly regarded and a target for PL and Champions League teams. The point Ferdinand made about only wanting to keep people who want to be with us is a sad fact of life these days with too much power in the hands of players, agents and managers. If we refuse Beale the chance to make a move he wants to make what level of motivation can we expect him to show or install in the team?. There is little any club can do to stop anyone who wants out from leaving. Contracts and loyalty are meaningless these days. |
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 23, 2022 15:58:49 GMT
Could well be right. But to me Les Ferdinand (or his bosses) could have been a lot stronger in saying how much they hoped it wouldnt happen; how much they hoped Beale would stay etc. (Even if ultimately we can't stop it)
“I haven’t spoken to Michael or Rangers about this. But I expected Michael’s name would be mentioned for the role at Rangers because he did such a good job while he was up there working with Steven Gerrard. I don't want to have to fight to keep anyone at QPR. I want people who want to be here. That’s the only way we can move forward.
“If they want to be somewhere else, that’s what they’re going to do. We’d have to have a conversation. It’s not that I’d be happy to have it but I only want people at the football club who want to be here.”
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Post by rangersman on Nov 23, 2022 19:11:41 GMT
He needs to speak up on his intentions ASAP. This is now a farce, being linked with every managers vacancy going. For me its speak up now or just leave now, let us have the time to appoint another manager before resuming the season.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 23, 2022 23:15:37 GMT
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Post by robindubois on Nov 24, 2022 8:10:35 GMT
Could well be right. But to me Les Ferdinand (or his bosses) could have been a lot stronger in saying how much they hoped it wouldnt happen; how much they hoped Beale would stay etc. (Even if ultimately we can't stop it) “I haven’t spoken to Michael or Rangers about this. But I expected Michael’s name would be mentioned for the role at Rangers because he did such a good job while he was up there working with Steven Gerrard. I don't want to have to fight to keep anyone at QPR. I want people who want to be here. That’s the only way we can move forward. “If they want to be somewhere else, that’s what they’re going to do. We’d have to have a conversation. It’s not that I’d be happy to have it but I only want people at the football club who want to be here.” It is really not important what Les or others say to the press. What matters is what is said in conversations between the clubs and Beale. Of course there will always be fans who will blame QPR for letting him go or not fighting hard enough to keep him and ignore the fact that they did well to recruit a good (still unproven) manager in the first place. All I would say to them is get in the real world. If someone wants to move to a "better" job to enhance their career, in any industry, there is very little to stop them. Some will say give him a massive pay rise but 1. we will not be able to match the PL or Rangers salaries and 2. if someone is just staying for money they are not the right type we want and they will eventually go to someone who comes along offering more. |
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Post by surreychad on Nov 24, 2022 8:32:08 GMT
The silence is a nightmare, all the talk is about Rangers imminent signing but there is no comment from Beale or QPR which, to me, means that he is off. Shame if true given his comments just a couple of months ago.
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Post by robindubois on Nov 24, 2022 9:13:26 GMT
The silence is a nightmare, all the talk is about Rangers imminent signing but there is no comment from Beale or QPR which, to me, means that he is off. Shame if true given his comments just a couple of months ago. Agreed the silence is terrible but I have the feeling this may have all been set up behind QPR's back a month ago (29th October to be precise). If so he should go now and give us time to recruit. Also if true I would have to ask was he telling the truth when he turned Wolves down. I said I thought he showed loyalty honesty and integrity - maybe it was the opposite. one reason he gave for staying last time was that his family were happy where they are now - I wonder how they feel about another spell in Glasgow The Talksport article is just a rehash of previous comments and is probably clickbait but I still expect we will see him announced as Gers new manager today or tomorrow. Yes a shame and disappointing but no one is bigger than the club and we will just have to move on - hopefully upwards. |
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2022 10:34:28 GMT
Looking like we had better change the title soon.
Probably made contact with him a couple of weeks back, hence our slide in performances.
Can’t blame him, shame
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 24, 2022 10:53:18 GMT
There should be no contact between potential suitors and Beale with out permission . I’m judging his character based on what I’ve seen of him and I think he would tell GR exactly that should they try to tap him up.
Other managers would not act with integrity but I think Beale would.
Consequently, I don’t think there is anything in this but if he betrays the trust he has instilled in the fans, I’ll never speak to him again.
That’ll show him!
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Post by qprman on Nov 24, 2022 11:35:30 GMT
To me his silence is unsettling. Tells me he is using us as leverage. Selfish man. I hope he goes to Glasgow and fails miserable. Double standards if he goes …. No two ways about it.
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2022 12:18:33 GMT
Still you never know?
He turned down Wolves when we all thought he would be off, what’s the chances he does it again?
I guess we need to have a statement from MB so we know what’s actually going on?
I see Paul Parker came out with the best thing that should happen is QPR make a statement.
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Post by qprman on Nov 24, 2022 12:36:29 GMT
Say what you want, his silence says a lot this time , again unsettling and could de-rail our already spiralling team. I’m all for people bettering themselves but just be honest and do it Quickly for everyone’s sake.
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Post by robindubois on Nov 24, 2022 13:06:24 GMT
An interesting take on the potential move from the Scottish Sun branding Beale as a vulture who broke an unwritten rule by going to the Rangers Aberdeen game as a guest of their board. Obvious case of tapping him up plus undermining their previous manager imo. Maybe not the man we thought he was. Given his comments after the Wolves approach it would be simple for him to come out now and say that nothing has changed and stop the speculation. His silence says a lot. www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9814044/rangers-michael-beale-vulture-broke-unwritten-rule/MICHAEL BEALE has been compared to a vulture for his Ibrox visit last month as he watched Rangers take on Aberdeen from the stands while pressure was building on Gio van Bronckhorst. The former Rangers coach watched his ex-club beat Jim Goodwin's Dons 4-1 as he reunited with his Light Blues pals in Glasgow. Beale has been blasted for his decision to visit Ibrox Beale, who is now the frontrunner for the vacant Gers job, was spotted in the Loudern Tavern before the clash and Rangers fans hoped it was a sign that he could be making a permanent return north of the border. And with him being the clear favourite to replace the Dutchman, they may get to see him in charge of the Ibrox dugout in the near future. But Tam McManus has blasted the QPR boss' decision to take in the Scottish Premiership clash at Ibrox. He reckons it was unfair of the Englishman to add fuel to the fire in terms of Van Bronckhorst's future and insists he broke an unwritten rule by going to the match. Beale said no to Wolves but Rangers are too big to turn down says Ibrox cult hero GET BEALE Beale said no to Wolves but Rangers are too big to turn down says Ibrox cult hero The former Hibs striker told PLZ Soccer: “I think it’s an unwritten rule amongst managers, that if you’re a manager and another manager is under serious pressure and you’ve been linked to the job, it’s like vultures circling for a job. "I can understand why Giovanni van Bronckhorst was annoyed at that. “Beale needs to see the bigger picture and he knows that manager is under pressure.” Meanwhile, former Rangers and QPR defender Clint Hill believes the lure of Ibrox will be too much for Beale to turn down. EDIT The visit to the Rangers game was the day after we lost at Birmingham - so did he travel back with the team or head off straight to Scotland. If the latter no wonder the team lost commitment and stopped following his orders. Players are not that stupid. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Nov 24, 2022 14:30:40 GMT
Reading between the lines, it seems that Les & Lee fully anticipated this - although the timing was less certain.
When Beale was linked with Wolves, the media said that his release clause was £500k.
When Les talked him into staying after the Cardiff game, there was mention of a new deal for Beale when he opted to stay.
Perhaps we increased his salary or gave him a bonus, but if it was the former, then he has had very little benefit from his new deal.
The new deal sems likely, because the media now say that the remuneration would be £1.5m. A tripling of his previous deal.
Perhaps it was even discussed that if specifically, Rangers came calling, then he may well wish to depart.
Les & Lee may well feal that the extra £1m in such a short time is very good business - and Beale may equally feel that his conscience is clear as the club will be compensated.
His constant commenting on Rangers, his visit to the Ibrox Stadium, his desire to manage a Champions League team rather than a lower Prem Team, all points to our management being comfortable with his openness.
I suspect that negotiations are already on-going with those interviewed last time around.
We apparently asked permission to speak to Blackpool's manager Neil Critchley but walked away due to the compensation clause.
Villa paid that and he is now 'free' to join.
Of the other managers we were interested in, only Liam Manning is still with their clubs.
Perhaps Les and Lee believe that £1.5m for anew striker, plus Critchley is a decent outcome when losing a very good coach, whose ambitions we cannot match.
Or perhaps it is Tim Sherwood or Sol Campbell once again LOL
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2022 17:37:11 GMT
Critchley is not at Blackpool anymore now though with Gerrard at Villa so we won’t be getting him now.
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Post by rickyqpr on Nov 24, 2022 18:16:25 GMT
Critchley is not at Blackpool anymore now though with Gerrard at Villa so we won’t be getting him now. Critchley was sacked by Villa when Gerrard was sacked. So, he is available, with no fee to pay. So, he is sure to be in the mix. |
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2022 19:32:47 GMT
Critchley is not at Blackpool anymore now though with Gerrard at Villa so we won’t be getting him now. Critchley was sacked by Villa when Gerrard was sacked. So, he is available, with no fee to pay. So, he is sure to be in the mix. Oh cheers, I never realised he had moved on. |
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Post by hitmanrangers on Nov 24, 2022 21:11:13 GMT
Could take a punt on the Canada coach? English and might want to give the Championship a go?
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2022 0:06:31 GMT
Rangers apparently making an official approach tomorrow. Will it be a second ‘No’ not interested. We was linked to the Canada coach last time when we got Beale. What he has done there is a miracle. How that team never came away with three points against Belgium beats me, just switched off for two minutes and conceded, kind of reminded me of a QPR match  |
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 25, 2022 9:26:29 GMT
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Post by robindubois on Nov 25, 2022 9:38:48 GMT
It seems that many on this board (including me) have come to the conclusion that he will be gone and have started to speculate on a replacement.
The Canada coach could be interesting - only down side is that he is at the world cup and I doubt he is going to be talking to anyone until they are knocked out so it could be January before he would be likely to move - assuming he would be interested.
Meanwhile the silence continues and what surprises and annoys me as well is that the supposedly "in the know" West London Sport have not said a word as far as I can see, not even to report that there is speculation about Beales future. I am not a Twitter user thankfully so maybe they posted something there but in searches it does not show. They have however spoken to our goalkeeping coach though about Seny at the World Cup.
Maybe WLS are in the know and are keeping quiet to stay in the good books of the club as it seems the club also want to avoid making any comment. The only possible bright side to that is that it could signal the club is fighting to keep him and do not want to negotiate or speculate in public. Gut feeling tells me though that he will go, and even if he stays I think the level of trust at least with the fan base and probably with the players has been eroded by the way this episode has occurred and been handled - maybe beyond repair. Ironic that we have spent years complaining and replacing a string of managers and when we finally get an apparent good one he only lasts 21 games.
Any thoughts on Ramsey as a temporary manager to end of season?
He has worked with the majority of our younger players to develop them to where they are and it would save the club some money so he could be a logical choice. Personally I think he is in the right job where he is so I would not rock the boat further by asking him to take over.
I blame myself for all this as a couple of weeks ago I said I was going to hibernate for while unless something on here woke me up!
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Post by surreychad on Nov 25, 2022 10:10:56 GMT
Neil Critchley is looking for a job. Very good replacement IF needed.
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Post by rickyqpr on Nov 25, 2022 10:21:28 GMT
It seems that many on this board (including me) have come to the conclusion that he will be gone and have started to speculate on a replacement. The Canada coach could be interesting - only down side is that he is at the world cup and I doubt he is going to be talking to anyone until they are knocked out so it could be January before he would be likely to move - assuming he would be interested. Meanwhile the silence continues and what surprises and annoys me as well is that the supposedly "in the know" West London Sport have not said a word as far as I can see, not even to report that there is speculation about Beales future. I am not a Twitter user thankfully so maybe they posted something there but in searches it does not show. They have however spoken to our goalkeeping coach though about Seny at the World Cup. Maybe WLS are in the know and are keeping quiet to stay in the good books of the club as it seems the club also want to avoid making any comment. The only possible bright side to that is that it could signal the club is fighting to keep him and do not want to negotiate or speculate in public. Gut feeling tells me though that he will go, and even if he stays I think the level of trust at least with the fan base and probably with the players has been eroded by the way this episode has occurred and been handled - maybe beyond repair. Ironic that we have spent years complaining and replacing a string of managers and when we finally get an apparent good one he only lasts 21 games. Any thoughts on Ramsey as a temporary manager to end of season? He has worked with the majority of our younger players to develop them to where they are and it would save the club some money so he could be a logical choice. Personally I think he is in the right job where he is so I would not rock the boat further by asking him to take over. I blame myself for all this as a couple of weeks ago I said I was going to hibernate for while unless something on here woke me up! Yes, I expected a couple of weeks silence as well! I think we have to be realistic about what is going on and the silence and limited communication. If after Wolves (and apparently Wolves was not the first head turn in his short tenure) there was a sitting down and agreement about Beale's ambitions - and perhaps a new contract, then the future was mapped The Rangers job is a special opportunity to Beale, it ticks all the boxes, but he is likely to interview the Rangers board the way he interviewed the QPR management, so he will require the right answers before signing. If, as I suspect, compensation was also renegotiated, then the club can only say ' that we will not stand in his way if he wants to leave'. That of course is true anyway. Trusted sources like WLS and Clive Whittingham are compromised with what they can say. If they indicate that he is interested (and he clearly is) then if he opts to stay again, then he will have lost the trust of the support (he probably has anyway). If they say that there has been no official approach (as others have) it is meaningless statement because the official approach is just part of a long process. The media keep predicting the event, but that it is a forgone conclusion that it will happen. If Beale stays, it will be quite odd for the support to handle. As i said above, he will want to talk to Rangers (if only for the ego and the publicity / reputation build). But it still remains the case that he has not achieved anything yet and is still learning. He could opt to stay with the supporters angry at his handling once again. If he goes, it does make a mockery of his post Wolves comments. He can only make his final decision after the official approach and compensation agreement - and after his interviewing of them. He is a unique personality, complex, yet very communicative. He has closed his social media accounts, I can only imagine what fans are saying to him, but it is a part of football that I hate. By closing down, he has curtailed the freedom of masked keyboard warriors to abuse him - I would do the same. Those same fans will probably sing his name if he stays with QPR. There is still the scenario that after interviewing him, Rangers decide to appoint another. His important PR / image will need some handling if that happens. But I think he will go - probably by Monday evening. |
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Post by rangersman on Nov 25, 2022 17:49:51 GMT
I have had enough of this now, his silence has lost my respect for him. He needs to go and let us move on to a real loyal manager. There is no excuse for his silence, so no loyalty to QPR in my book.
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2022 18:47:04 GMT
I’m going to wait for his interview before I get too stressed.
You never know he might turn them down like Villa, doubtful though.
I must admit though going to watch Rangers a couple of weeks ago when there Manager was under pressure with his links was not a good idea at all.
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Post by Marc on Nov 25, 2022 20:19:49 GMT
I have had enough of this now, his silence has lost my respect for him. He needs to go and let us move on to a real loyal manager. There is no excuse for his silence, so no loyalty to QPR in my book. One of the most ridiculous posts I've seen from you. |
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Post by robindubois on Nov 26, 2022 8:52:25 GMT
I have had enough of this now, his silence has lost my respect for him. He needs to go and let us move on to a real loyal manager. There is no excuse for his silence, so no loyalty to QPR in my book. One of the most ridiculous posts I've seen from you. Completely agree Marc. While the silence is annoying as we would all like to know what is going on it is not only Beale but everyone concerned. So things are happening in private behind the scenes as these should be conducted. It was only the press speculation and betting and Beales misjudged appearance in the Rangers bar that put this in the public domain. At this stage what is Beale supposed to say if maybe Rangers have not even made an approach yet? If I lose respect for him it is not because of the silence or even the fact that he leaves but the fact that he went to see the Rangers game while their former manager was still in charge and under pressure. As for "move on to a real loyal manager" - sorry there is no such thing these days. Take Luton's ex manager - signed a new 4 year contract and weeks later "I want to go to Southampton" The manager and player merry go rounds speak for themselves with managers players and clubs all to blame . If we expect loyalty it works both ways. Our club (like a majority of other clubs) has been disloyal to a series of managers over the last several seasons with our hire and fire approach. Look at the average life span of a Championship manager these days. Comments such as the above and the constant clamour of "fans" to dump managers shows that fans have the same lack of loyalty. Plus the fact fans overlook is how much it has cost clubs such as ours. We hire a manager on a three year contract, dump him after a season or less and have to pay up his contract then hire another and the circle continues. At one time I reckon we were paying (or had paid out lump sums) for at least three managers at the same time , 2 of whom were no longer working for us. Warburton was probably the only one to get to the end of his contract before being dumped. Thats the world of modern football .......money. |
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Post by robindubois on Nov 26, 2022 9:22:21 GMT
An interesting split appearing in the press speculation in both Scottish and English news this morning.
Some saying Rangers are about to make an official approach, others that QPR expect him to leave, and the job is too big an opportunity for anyone to turn down.
On the opposite side reports that Rangers are now considering other options, and comments from others in the game and ex Rangers players that they should go for the safe pair of hands approach with Dyche.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 26, 2022 13:29:17 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 26, 2022 14:14:30 GMT
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