Beale - Either Staying or Going!!

[spanishal]

Just read(hope it’s correct) that he has turned down the Wolves job and has been persuaded that his future is with Rs, well for the time being. Whilst we may all jump for joy just wonder how much credibility ,if any, he may have lost with fans in particular.

[harr]

He hasn’t lost zero credibility from me.
A job came up , they wanted to talk, he didn’t even enter the discussions and turned them down.
Nothing more to be said.
Let’s concentrate on Wigan and 3 points, getting Willock back and as getting as many points as possible from our next 6 games before World Cup.

[stylecouncillor]

Excellent news Talksport reporting he turned them down. He's credibility goes up IMHO.

[Marc]

Agree with Style dude. Not often a manager turns down the big bucks.

[rico]

Hasn't lost any credibility with any real fans he never said he was going anywhere Brilliant that he is staying because this guy is the real beale get it 😃

[nomar]

I said last night, I genuinely believe that he will be managing in the Prem next season if he stays.

[nomar]

I also believe this is the season defining moment for our club.

By turning Wolves down he has sent a clear message to the players. If they wouldn't have before, they will run through walls for him now.

This will have galvanised every single player and the fans will be behind him like never before.

Wolves could very well have just pretty much changed our season in a historic way.

Something very special is happening here and even non QPR fans are starting to see it too.

[Macmoish]

Beale talks about his decision to stay!

[surreychad]

The bloke has huge integrity, what a gentleman. Cant wait until Saturday

[blatantfowl]

He’ll get a good reception on Saturday.
As usual, eloquent and compelling insight into his mindset.
Let’s enjoy the ride while we’ve got this top top individual.

[nomar]

As someone said on WATRB site, let's go on now and get promoted.

[Marc]

Oct 20, 2022 17:29:18 GMT nomar said:

As someone said on WATRB site, let's go on now and get promoted.

Dare to dream?

Still way to early to get too excited. How many teams have been at the top at some point this season? Nice to have a warm fuzzy feeling about the Rs though.

[rangersman]

Wonderful news, he is going to encourage more clubs to check him out that's for sure. But I think we may be in the Prem next year anyway, and that will do for me.

[Marc]

[harr]

I expect Beale will be linked to Villa and Leeds jobs tonight.
At least Brendan Rogers seems to be turning things round slowly, pleased about that.

[Marc]

Oct 20, 2022 19:53:34 GMT harr said:

I expect Beale will be linked to Villa and Leeds jobs tonight.
At least Brendan Rogers seems to be turning things round slowly, pleased about that.

You beat me to it. Hopefully, Beale has sent out a message!

[Macmoish]

If Aston Villa had come up first before Wolves; I'd be more concerned.

Wouldnt totally shock me. But think Beale has gone out on a limb committing; and be a bit hard for him to take Villa job

[Marc]

I think one thing's for sure. Without Beale, Gerrard isn't up to the task.

[harr]

GERRARD SACKED

[rickyqpr]

So, Beale does not have an agent.....just a network!

The reason I had to turn down Wolves

Steven Gerrard's former assistant on flying high at QPR, his time in Brazil and wanting to break new ground for British managers
By Thom Gibbs, Senior Sports Writer 27 October 2022 • 2:28pm
Michael Beale at the QPR training ground

Out past Hounslow, underneath the Heathrow flightpath, Queens Park Rangers are building something.

Three excellent pitches are in place at their new training ground, an unlovely building has been half-renovated to house the senior team but the grander structure which will replace it is under construction. Some days it gets so loud the players are dragged to the furthest pitch, so the coaches can make themselves heard.

Their message must be getting through. QPR will re-take top spot in the Championship with a win at Birmingham City on Friday and their over-achievement is being noticed. Last week, Wolves came calling for manager Michael Beale, despite a first-team managerial career of just 14 games.

On the night the story broke, QPR played Cardiff at Loftus Road in an oddly resigned atmosphere as supporters pondered losing their promising manager. On the bench a funny thing happened. Beale realised he was enjoying himself.
Queens Park Rangers manager Michael Beale
Michael Beale: 1My own team excited me. In football that’s utopia' Credit: PA

“My own team excited me. In football that’s utopia for a coach,” he says. “We pressed much harder early in that game because I wanted the fans to know that the players' heads weren't elsewhere.”

Beale is unusually forthcoming about being headhunted by a top flight club. Through his well-tended grapevine he heard Wolves were seeking references for him. Keen to stress he operates without an agent, Beale turned his phone off hours before the Cardiff game, a thumping 3-0 win. Afterwards QPR’s director of football Les Ferdinand told him there had been an official approach.

Wolves’ pursuit played out in public but Beale made up his mind alone in a hotel room during what sounds like a dark night of the soul. “Ultimately I just didn't want the upheaval to the club, to myself or to the people that I’ve asked to come here. The only reasons for leaving QPR right now would be selfish ones around ego, status or finance. And that's not really me.

“It would be a kick in the nuts to the owners if after just three months I was off and leaving. I don't think the project we're building here is stable enough now to have taken that hit.”
Rapid rise at QPR
Beale only arrived in June, which absurdly makes him the Championship’s 10th-longest-serving manager. “I’m delighted people think that much of me after 16 games, but I don't think that much of myself, I've still got a long way to go.”

With that said, he certainly does not lack self-belief. “I feel very, very comfortable at this level. I thought I would but you don't know until you’re in the job.” Is there any worry that an opportunity like Wolves may never come again? “No, because I'm not chasing the Premier League.”

He speaks with total politeness about Wolves and it does sound like a classic case of ‘It’s not you, it’s me’. “The big aim is to manage in the Champions League, probably for a foreign club because no English coach is doing that.

“I know the Premier League's the world's best league but I don't know if managing a lower Premier League team is better than managing an Ajax, a PSV or a Dortmund.”

On one hand this is honourable talk. On the other is Beale’s clear-headed focus on the best route for his career’s inexorable march. “Loyalty is to yourself first, and what you believe in. I don't know if jumping from one club to another is a good look.”
Michael Beale at the QPR training ground
Beale sees his future in Europe rather than at a lower-level Premier League side Credit: Paul Grover for The Telegraph

Perhaps he can realise his dreams in West London? He has built on a talented squad largely assembled by predecessor Mark Warburton and QPR’s head of recruitment Andy Belk. New full-backs Kenneth Paal and Manchester United loanee Ethan Laird have been especially impressive. Any of the inherited trio of Chris Willock, Ilias Chair and goalkeeper Seny Dieng could follow in Ebere Eze’s footsteps as wise buys for Premier League clubs.

Beale has no doubt he could thrive in the top flight. “I know I can work in the Premier League because every single week I turn on the TV, and in every team, there's players that I've coached. So it's not a worry about going there. It's just a matter of when, or if the right opportunity comes.

“I'd love this club to go there. It would be a miracle, considering where we've come from. This year you've got six or seven clubs that are financially way above us, and I'm sure they'll throw money at it come January, but we've got spirit here. And so far so good.”
West London via Sao Paulo

Born in south London, Beale took a peripatetic path into management. Released from Charlton as a youngster, and mildly haunted by the fear he stayed with the club too long, he has said he felt ‘lost’ for three or four months after his contract was not renewed. “It's very dangerous when you are from a council estate. Not everybody's got options. The people that I mixed with growing up, it was a mixed bag if I'm honest.”

Coaching was his route out. First it was futsal in a church hall in Bromley, then Chelsea offered him a part-time youth development job in 2003. He spent 10 years climbing their ladder before moving to Liverpool, again rising through the ranks to Under-23s manager, where he coached Trent Alexander-Arnold. Since Liverpool he has worked as assistant for two famous players, Sao Paulo hero Rogerio Ceni and Steven Gerrard at Rangers then Aston Villa. “Both of them needed me to do a lot for them, in terms of structure and coaching.”

Goalscoring goalkeeper Ceni called weeks after a long chat in Liverpool to offer him a job. “I went over [to Brazil] to politely reject, but when I got there I thought ‘I have to do it.’ I was being offered League One or League Two jobs, now I was being offered the assistant manager of Sao Paulo.”

What were the highlights? “Santos away. It’s Pele’s old stadium. We hadn't won there in seven years, we won 3-1. I used to have a video when I was a kid called Pele, the Master and his Method, and he was at Santos stadium. To go there, for an English coach, was surreal.”

After a brief return to Liverpool he became assistant to Gerrard, with success at Rangers then a promising half-season at Villa. Perhaps not coincidentally, things seemed to unravel after he left. Setting aside his disappointment for Gerrard, a man he has obvious respect for, is there anything reassuring in seeing how the team struggled after his departure? “No, I just wanted them to do well.” Would he work with Gerrard again? “100 per cent.”

It is unclear in what capacity. Currently Beale does not seem to need much help.

[surreychad]

The chatter about Beale to Rangers is getting louder. I would be surprised if he did go bearing in mind his comments about taking the Wolves job.

[Macmoish]

On the other hand he might feel just a little bit more vulnerable now at QPR!

[harr]

Rangers Manager sacked
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63535011



Current favourite odds
Steven Gerrard - 2/1
Michael Beale - 4/1
Kevin Muscat - 6/1
Sean Dyche - 8/1

[powerpump]

It seems some bookmakers are making Michael Beale favourite for the job.....any more news on this?

[Macmoish]

This piece (if accurate) says wouldnt stand in his way - which is not exactly fighting to keep him

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/michael-beale-cleared-rangers-job-28549580


ichael Beale cleared for Rangers job as QPR boss wants it and Loftus Road chief refuses to stand in his way

Les Ferdinand has vowed not to stand in Beale's way if Ibrox club come calling on him to replace Gio van Bronckhorst



Sport
ByAndrew Newport

22:00, 21 NOV 2022Updated07:39, 22 NOV 2022


QPR chief Les Ferdinand last night insisted he won’t stand in Michael Beale ’s way if the former Ibrox coach is serious about a return to Rangers.

Steven Gerrard ’s one-time No.2 has been installed as the clear favourite to replace Gio van Bronckhorst, who was finally sacked yesterday after weeks of speculation over his Gers future. Ex-Burnley boss Sean Dyche and Kevin Muscat - Ange Postecoglou’s successor at Japanese champions Yokohama - have been also tipped as serious contenders.

But Record Sport understands Beale is leading the race and IS interested in replacing the Dutchman. The Londoner was a senior figure in Gerrard’s backroom team as they led the club to its first title in a decade 18 months ago but left when the Liverpool legend was tempted back south by Aston Villa. Since then, the 42-year-old has gone out on his own after being appointed gaffer at Loftus Road over the summer. However, he remains close with the Gers board and was recently welcomed to Ibrox as a guest for last month's win over Aberdeen..


Michael Beale odds on Rangers manager favourite as money floods in on former coach to replace Gio van Bronckhorstdailyrecord

R’s director of football Ferdinand insists he’s yet to receive any word from Ibrox. But he confessed he will be willing to talk if Beale makes it clear he’s interested in the Ibrox vacancy.

Ferdinand told Record Sport : “I haven’t spoken to Michael or Rangers about this. But I expected Michael’s name would be mentioned for the role at Rangers because he did such a good job while he was up there working with Steven Gerrard. I don't want to have to fight to keep anyone at QPR. I want people who want to be here. That’s the only way we can move forward.

“If they want to be somewhere else, that’s what they’re going to do. We’d have to have a conversation. It’s not that I’d be happy to have it but I only want people at the football club who want to be here.”



Rangers will be hit with a bill of around £3.5million to pay off van Bronckhorst and his backroom team. And it’s understood they will need to find another £1.5m if they want to land Beale. There’s obviously a compensation package in Michael’s contract and if he decided he wanted to go to Rangers, that’s something that would have to be discussed,” added Ferdinand.

Beale is likely to come under consideration. But it’s believed Rangers will speak to more than one candidate as they want the process to be rigorous as possible. However, neither do they want it to turn into an interviewing marathon.


The Gers board finally pulled the plug on van Bronckhorst and his rollercoaster 12-month reign yesterday morning. The former Feyenoord coach had only marked his first anniversary in the job on Friday but in truth he’s been battling to save his position for weeks.
Queens Park Rangers manager Michael Beale (Image: PA)

It was a spell in charge that involved soaring highs and bitter lows. The 47-year-old - who spent three years as a player at Ibrox - launched the club on a remarkable European journey following his November appointment.

Having dumped out Borussia Dortmund, Red Star Belgrade, Braga and RB Leipzig, his side only missed out on Europa League glory against Eintracht Frankfurt after the agony of penalties in Seville. The defence of the Premiership crown crumbled after a heavy 3-0 defeat to Celtic at Parkhead in February but the Dutchman did at least end the club’s 13-year wait for a Scottish Cup triumph.

This season seemed to have got off to a positive start when victory over PSV banked Gers a massive UEFA windfall and a return ticket to the Champions League after a decade in the wilderness. But the group stage adventure turned into a nightmare as a team depleted by injuries and the sale of key men Joe Aribo and Calvin Bassey suffered a series of heavy defeats at the hands of Ajax, Napoli and Liverpool.

That horror show run saw Rangers crowned the worst team to ever qualify for UEFA’s top tournament. But it’s the club’s stuttering Premiership displays that have ultimately cost van Bronckhorst his job, with last week’s draw in Paisley the final straw as Gers fell nine-points adrift of Postecoglou’s rampant Hoops.

[surreychad]

I think its pretty much decided. Beale is straight in to a team that can win leagues, and compete in Europe.

[powerpump]

I wonder: could our recent poor form before the WC break be caused by the fact that Beale's mind was on other matters?

[robindubois]

Nov 23, 2022 3:14:59 GMT powerpump said:

I wonder: could our recent poor form before the WC break be caused by the fact that Beale's mind was on other matters?

I think it is not a co-incidence that our downturn in form coincided with the Beale to Wolves talk plus I have read reports that around  the same time Beale watched a Rangers - Aberdeen match at the invitation of the Rangers (Scottish) board. So maybe they were tapping him up or sounding him out about a move before they sacked their manager and maybe he turned down Wolves because Rangers were already in his ear.

From our point of view, and the recent results, maybe his mind was elsewhere or maybe the players got wind of what was happening behind the scenes. I think the latter may be more likely as the most worrying after match complaints from Beale have been that the players were not doing the things they had been told to do and were not as committed as they should be.

So I think he will be gone before the World Cup finishes and if he is to go a quick decision is going to be better, rather than dragging this uncertainty on for weeks. On the one hand I cannot blame someone for looking to take his career forward but on the other hand, after he rejected Wolves I thought he was honest committed and showed integrity. I might forget that if he goes now.

Whatever happens this has to be bad for the club and players especially as they have this break to mull things over when they should be looking to refocus. Instead they have this cloud hanging over the club now. If he goes I would expect at least a couple will be looking to move in January and that Villa will probably recall Tim I.

Interesting that reports say we would only get 1.5 million compensation, although some of Ferdinand's comments saying that he would need to talk about that might mean something different. Could we accuse them of making an illegal approach and ask for more, or worse still that we would reduce the amount so as not to block Beales chance. How would we use that money - keep it for FFP, buy/loan a striker or have to use it to bring a new manager?

I find it annoying that Southampton reportedly had to pay over 4 million compensation to Luton for their nasty piece of work while a manager with Beales greater potential is only 1.5 million. But if that is the number in his contract it was either bad negotiation on our part when we hired Beale or maybe we did not know how good he was going to be.

Then of course the question is if he goes who can replace him - maybe Mark Hughes or Warburton???       I'm sure that Dyche be will named by the papers but with a PL salary I doubt it, and despite his record would he be a good fit for the club and current players?. 

Top of the table and all looking rosy after 16 games. Along comes all this talk of Wolves then Rangers and five games and 1 point later we are out of the play-off positions, sliding down quickly and likely no manager. How quickly things can change. 

All if's and maybe's and will we ever know the full story? I doubt it unless Beale goes public after being sacked in 6 months if Rangers do not win the Scottish league. Personally I think Beale still needs to stay and prove himself over a season especially as he may have lost some of the players or not been able to get hold of things recently. On the other hand all this is very unsettling and will likely continue every time a PL job comes up so maybe time for us to draw a line in the sand cut our losses and move on.  Such a pity.

 

[rickyqpr]

Nov 23, 2022 9:20:13 GMT robindubois said:

Nov 23, 2022 3:14:59 GMT powerpump said:

I wonder: could our recent poor form before the WC break be caused by the fact that Beale's mind was on other matters?

I think it is not a co-incidence that our downturn in form coincided with the Beale to Wolves talk plus I have read reports that around  the same time Beale watched a Rangers - Aberdeen match at the invitation of the Rangers (Scottish) board. So maybe they were tapping him up or sounding him out about a move before they sacked their manager and maybe he turned down Wolves because Rangers were already in his ear.

From our point of view, and the recent results, maybe his mind was elsewhere or maybe the players got wind of what was happening behind the scenes. I think the latter may be more likely as the most worrying after match complaints from Beale have been that the players were not doing the things they had been told to do and were not as committed as they should be.

So I think he will be gone before the World Cup finishes and if he is to go a quick decision is going to be better, rather than dragging this uncertainty on for weeks. On the one hand I cannot blame someone for looking to take his career forward but on the other hand, after he rejected Wolves I thought he was honest committed and showed integrity. I might forget that if he goes now.

Whatever happens this has to be bad for the club and players especially as they have this break to mull things over when they should be looking to refocus. Instead they have this cloud hanging over the club now. If he goes I would expect at least a couple will be looking to move in January and that Villa will probably recall Tim I.

Interesting that reports say we would only get 1.5 million compensation, although some of Ferdinand's comments saying that he would need to talk about that might mean something different. Could we accuse them of making an illegal approach and ask for more, or worse still that we would reduce the amount so as not to block Beales chance. How would we use that money - keep it for FFP, buy/loan a striker or have to use it to bring a new manager?

I find it annoying that Southampton reportedly had to pay over 4 million compensation to Luton for their nasty piece of work while a manager with Beales greater potential is only 1.5 million. But if that is the number in his contract it was either bad negotiation on our part when we hired Beale or maybe we did not know how good he was going to be.

Then of course the question is if he goes who can replace him - maybe Mark Hughes or Warburton???       I'm sure that Dyche be will named by the papers but with a PL salary I doubt it, and despite his record would he be a good fit for the club and current players?. 

Top of the table and all looking rosy after 16 games. Along comes all this talk of Wolves then Rangers and five games and 1 point later we are out of the play-off positions, sliding down quickly and likely no manager. How quickly things can change. 

All if's and maybe's and will we ever know the full story? I doubt it unless Beale goes public after being sacked in 6 months if Rangers do not win the Scottish league. Personally I think Beale still needs to stay and prove himself over a season especially as he may have lost some of the players or not been able to get hold of things recently. On the other hand all this is very unsettling and will likely continue every time a PL job comes up so maybe time for us to draw a line in the sand cut our losses and move on.  Such a pity.

 

Yep, just about sums it up.
I think Spanishal may need to change the title of this thread soon.
I would think that we are already talking to potential successors.
I think that Neil Critchley may well be a favoured option.
If Beale departs, I think it is sad that he will leave on a low, because he gave us so many highs in his short tenure.
If he goes to Rangers, I wonder if he will come calling for some of our players - Willock, Chair, Dieng and even Dykes.
I can only image the message boards if he does!

[Macmoish]

Or could Beale be feeling his security is not that great at QPR - and that if he's got a chance to get out (and arguably up) should take him now