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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 12:55:00 GMT
An early start to the thread but this does not sound good. Basically the whole midfield from the Derby game plus the used midfield substitute could be out of the game, plus Charlie. Dykes is definitely out. As Dykes was supposedly fit when he went to Scotland I hope we are claiming the standard compensation from the Scottish FA that should at least cover his salary while not playing. They will probably argue it was an aggravation of an existing injury - in which case he should not have joined up with them. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/dykes-still-out-and-six-qpr-players-being-assessed-ahead-of-stoke-gameQPR will once again be without Lyndon Dykes for Sunday’s game against Stoke and a number of other players will be assessed after picking up knocks during the win over Derby. Dykes is still recovering from the ankle injury he first sustained against Nottingham Forest in October but re-aggravated during training for Scotland earlier this month. He has missed Rangers’ past three matches. Lee Wallace is a doubt for the visit of the Potters after he felt tightness in his hamstring and was forced off early in the second half of the 2-1 win at Pride Park. “We have a few walking wounded. We had players in yesterday and I will find out this morning (Friday) where we are,” QPR boss Mark Warburton said. “Lyndon won’t make it for sure. I hope very much Lee will be fit as he is a vitally important player, we will just have to wait and see.” Charlie Austin is among the players being worked on by the Rangers medical staff after injuring his knee during the first half on Monday. The striker played on until the final 10 minutes, setting up the equaliser for Chris Willock in the process, but has not trained with the team all week. Stefan Johansen, Andre Dozzell, Albert Adomah and Moses Odubajo also picked up knocks and were due to be assessed on Friday. Warburton explained: “There will be a number of boys not training today and will be with the medical team. “You would love to say ‘If you are not able to train two days before a game you are not able to play’. But right now we have to give them every opportunity to play. “Charlie got a bang, Moses got a bang. Albert got a bang. Andre got a bang. Stef got a bang. I kid you not, they are all in getting looked at, and I’m on the phone to the doctor more than I speak to my wife. “It’s just trying to find out where they are. But the game is two days away and we have to give them every opportunity to be fit.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 12:51:08 GMT
and todays update says Jordy and McCullum now probably out until February. About time our injury luck changed.
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Post by Marc on Dec 5, 2021 13:32:04 GMT
No Adomah or Wallace
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Post by dan on Dec 5, 2021 14:39:30 GMT
Chair just can’t buy a header!
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Post by sharky on Dec 5, 2021 14:45:02 GMT
Bugger. All QPR and Stoke score on the break!
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Post by sharky on Dec 5, 2021 15:53:39 GMT
Austin's penalty is saved. Looks like it's not going to be our day!
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Post by londonranger on Dec 5, 2021 16:02:53 GMT
Poorly taken penalty.
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Post by sharky on Dec 5, 2021 16:07:14 GMT
Stoke score again. Game, set and match I'm afraid. Ah well onward and upwards
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Post by londonranger on Dec 5, 2021 16:07:40 GMT
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Post by harr on Dec 5, 2021 16:28:38 GMT
Oh what a shame. Not clinical enough, rubbish penalty from Austin and an opposing keeper that had an extremely good game. Always looked like we were going to get nothing from it once we missed the pen.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 5, 2021 16:31:00 GMT
"It always rains on Sunday"
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Post by vofster on Dec 5, 2021 17:22:10 GMT
Could make a case for our being unlucky but in truth we weren’t really on it today.Centre of defence poor for both goals - nobody put any pressure on their midfielder for second goal.
Plenty of half chances in second half and if penalty went in we could well have gone on and won it. But it was a really poor pen.George Thomas had three opportunities when he came in and really should have scored with one of them.
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 5, 2021 17:54:41 GMT
Could make a case for our being unlucky but in truth we weren’t really on it today.Centre of defence poor for both goals - nobody put any pressure on their midfielder for second goal. Plenty of half chances in second half and if penalty went in we could well have gone on and won it. But it was a really poor pen.George Thomas had three opportunities when he came in and really should have scored with one of them. Spot on. Miss a penalty when behind and it is rare to go on and win. Charlie, it was another shocker - just like in the shoot out against Sunderland. We could have won, Stoke were nothing special, we have beaten better teams - it was not our day and their keeper never made the slightest of errors. Six players out injured - we only had six subs - we need the eight days to get a few back into contention.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 7:54:35 GMT
I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with the play on fast breaks so failed to meet a great cross from Willock and generally I thought was half a yard off the pace. Of course there was the penalty miss which can happen but the manner in which he took it shows he is down on confidence. Maybe Barbet should have stepped up and blasted it.
In the last half a dozen games Charlie has been missing chances that he would have buried 99% of the time a couple of years back or even in teh second half of last season. Give him a few games break and see how he comes back. Otherwise we created well over 20 chances but could not get that goal which would I think have taken us on to a win. I'm not blaming it on Charlie as it's a team game and others also missed chances.
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Post by rico on Dec 6, 2021 8:21:45 GMT
We did indeed create lots of chances which was a plus point from yesterday dykes or Charlie would have scored the first half header which chair almost did the penalty could have changed the game but it wasn't to be teams now know are style of play and play for the quick counter and Stoke who defensively look much stronger than us took there chances another week we could have won 5v2 rest up and go again maybe kelman might be an impact sub in the new year and refresh the forward line got a good feeling about him
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Post by Marc on Dec 6, 2021 8:57:05 GMT
I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with the play on fast breaks so failed to meet a great cross from Willock and generally I thought was half a yard off the pace. Of course there was the penalty miss which can happen but the manner in which he took it shows he is down on confidence. Maybe Barbet should have stepped up and blasted it. In the last half a dozen games Charlie has been missing chances that he would have buried 99% of the time a couple of years back or even in teh second half of last season. Give him a few games break and see how he comes back. Otherwise we created well over 20 chances but could not get that goal which would I think have taken us on to a win. I'm not blaming it on Charlie as it's a team game and others also missed chances. If you give Charlie a few games break, who do you play up front? Lyndon is out, Gray is only just getting back to full fitness and Kelman can't play until January. Like vit or not, Charlie is our fittest striker.
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 6, 2021 9:54:58 GMT
I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with the play on fast breaks so failed to meet a great cross from Willock and generally I thought was half a yard off the pace. Of course there was the penalty miss which can happen but the manner in which he took it shows he is down on confidence. Maybe Barbet should have stepped up and blasted it. In the last half a dozen games Charlie has been missing chances that he would have buried 99% of the time a couple of years back or even in teh second half of last season. Give him a few games break and see how he comes back. Otherwise we created well over 20 chances but could not get that goal which would I think have taken us on to a win. I'm not blaming it on Charlie as it's a team game and others also missed chances. If you give Charlie a few games break, who do you play up front? Lyndon is out, Gray is only just getting back to full fitness and Kelman can't play until January. Like vit or not, Charlie is our fittest striker. Yes. I was at the game yesterday and I was surprised that Charlie lasted so long. He does do a lot of tracking back, but he looked off the pace - as he so often has this season - but he still could have scored at any time. I thought Gray would have come on earlier - but when he did, he was even more out of the game than Charlie, he made a few runs that were not optimized but went a long time before even touching the ball. With both Gray and Austin, they can be out of the game for long periods but then poach a goal but can be a frustrating watch. With Dykes, he is in the face of the opposition mixing it up most of the time - we are missing him. But after the Lord Mayor's show.....was Gray likely to score a worldy yesterday? Nah! We have to go with what we have got. But given the frailty of our wing backs, I think Warburton will want at least one extra in January. Field did well as cover, but neither Kakay or Field can offer what Wallace and McCallum can do going forward. As for the second goal yesterday - after half time, Stoke went so deep and rotated the need for a trainer, some staying down until possession was won back and then leaping to their feet. I thought the ref was lenient to their play acting. Their ambition was set pieces and breakaways - and yet we were caught napping to a decent run and shot. It happens across 90 minutes. The penalty miss probably defined our day though - the ref let several skirmishes in the box go unpunished and after he awarded the pen, they stopped doing it. The ref was ok, but they can cut our certain things if they punish early enough e.g. time wasting - their keeper started his antics on 33 minutes and was warned 5 times. Book him early and it stops.
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Post by Marc on Dec 6, 2021 10:03:30 GMT
If you give Charlie a few games break, who do you play up front? Lyndon is out, Gray is only just getting back to full fitness and Kelman can't play until January. Like vit or not, Charlie is our fittest striker. Yes. I was at the game yesterday and I was surprised that Charlie lasted so long. He does do a lot of tracking back, but he looked off the pace - as he so often has this season - but he still could have scored at any time. I thought Gray would have come on earlier - but when he did, he was even more out of the game than Charlie, he made a few runs that were not optimized but went a long time before even touching the ball. With both Gray and Austin, they can be out of the game for long periods but then poach a goal but can be a frustrating watch. With Dykes, he is in the face of the opposition mixing it up most of the time - we are missing him. But after the Lord Mayor's show.....was Gray likely to score a worldy yesterday? Nah! We have to go with what we have got. But given the frailty of our wing backs, I think Warburton will want at least one extra in January. Field did well as cover, but neither Kakay or Field can offer what Wallace and McCallum can do going forward. As for the second goal yesterday - after half time, Stoke went so deep and rotated the need for a trainer, some staying down until possession was won back and then leaping to their feet. I thought the ref was lenient to their play acting. Their ambition was set pieces and breakaways - and yet we were caught napping to a decent run and shot. It happens across 90 minutes. The penalty miss probably defined our day though - the ref let several skirmishes in the box go unpunished and after he awarded the pen, they stopped doing it. The ref was ok, but they can cut our certain things if they punish early enough e.g. time wasting - their keeper started his antics on 33 minutes and was warned 5 times. Book him early and it stops. Yes, the sudden injury every time we got any momentum was really getting on my nerves. Who was it who went down in a heap when one of our players backed into him off the ball? The commentators seemed to be baying for a free kick. Fortunately, the referee decided otherwise. This is something that's also crept into Superleague with Warrington players suddenly rolling around in agony if they are a few points ahead with only a few minutes ahead and the opposition is attacking their line. it's blatant cheating and needs to be cracked down on.
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Post by surreychad on Dec 6, 2021 11:15:15 GMT
Could make a case for our being unlucky but in truth we weren’t really on it today.Centre of defence poor for both goals - nobody put any pressure on their midfielder for second goal. Plenty of half chances in second half and if penalty went in we could well have gone on and won it. But it was a really poor pen.George Thomas had three opportunities when he came in and really should have scored with one of them. This sums it up nicely for me. For the first 10 mins it was all us and I though we may give them a bit of a hiding but we then started going back down the gears. We are far to slow to come out from the back, there were a number of occasions where we could have caught them on the break and instead we passed it across the defenders, gave them a chance to regroup and made life harder for ourselves. We also had a free kick late in the first half and rather than getting a ball in to the box KaKay decided to pass it across midfield. Not a great day, just hope we can learn form it and get ready for another tough game at Sheffield United.
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Post by surreychad on Dec 6, 2021 11:19:06 GMT
One other point, Gray is so different from Charlie and Dykes and is begging for through balls to run on to. You could see his frustration when he started making runs, or hold the offside line ready to go, to then see the ball played back or across midfield. We have been caught out on through balls twice in 2 games and yet we never seem to try these ourselves.
Personally I am frustrated, a little disappointed but not down about it. Given where we are, our size of club, the money we have spent and everything else I am still happy with the season so far.
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Post by kerrins on Dec 6, 2021 11:26:34 GMT
Yes Stoke time wasting. Really despite everything a game we should never have lost(reminded me of the Bristol City defeat) We were on the front foot Stoke mainly negative.
Not for the first time this season decent quality football and forward play wasted!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 12:44:49 GMT
I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with the play on fast breaks so failed to meet a great cross from Willock and generally I thought was half a yard off the pace. Of course there was the penalty miss which can happen but the manner in which he took it shows he is down on confidence. Maybe Barbet should have stepped up and blasted it. In the last half a dozen games Charlie has been missing chances that he would have buried 99% of the time a couple of years back or even in teh second half of last season. Give him a few games break and see how he comes back. Otherwise we created well over 20 chances but could not get that goal which would I think have taken us on to a win. I'm not blaming it on Charlie as it's a team game and others also missed chances. If you give Charlie a few games break, who do you play up front? Lyndon is out, Gray is only just getting back to full fitness and Kelman can't play until January. Like vit or not, Charlie is our fittest striker. If you read my post carefully what I said was that we need Dykes back so Charlie can have a break. Of course I am not suggesting playing Dykes until he is fit and Gray is obviously not fully fit yet and I am not suggesting resting Charlie unless we have a replacement. With the recent run of games in quick succession, with Charlie playing major parts of every game, and he does put the effort in, it is natural that he is tired. Even at the start of the season people were saying he would be a 70 minute a game man, and now he is our only striker. We may have to cope with that until January but in that period we need some goals or our December could be very disappointing. Our injury situation explains why I would like to see Kelman stay and be an impact sub or even start a couple of games while the others are unfit. Still in the top 6 and I want us to stay there. The lack of info re Dykes other than "we don't know when he will be back" is a bit of a worry but we will see.
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2021 17:52:59 GMT
I was so ill over the weekend that I forgot all about this game. Probably good job I missed it as would have made me feel worse.
That’s the Championship for you, but we’re still looking good though.
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Post by Marc on Dec 6, 2021 17:59:13 GMT
If you give Charlie a few games break, who do you play up front? Lyndon is out, Gray is only just getting back to full fitness and Kelman can't play until January. Like vit or not, Charlie is our fittest striker. If you read my post carefully what I said was that we need Dykes back so Charlie can have a break. Of course I am not suggesting playing Dykes until he is fit and Gray is obviously not fully fit yet and I am not suggesting resting Charlie unless we have a replacement. With the recent run of games in quick succession, with Charlie playing major parts of every game, and he does put the effort in, it is natural that he is tired. Even at the start of the season people were saying he would be a 70 minute a game man, and now he is our only striker. We may have to cope with that until January but in that period we need some goals or our December could be very disappointing. Our injury situation explains why I would like to see Kelman stay and be an impact sub or even start a couple of games while the others are unfit. Still in the top 6 and I want us to stay there. The lack of info re Dykes other than "we don't know when he will be back" is a bit of a worry but we will see. I've read your post carefully, twice now, you didn't mention Dykes, just said to give Charlie a break.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 10:01:54 GMT
If you read my post carefully what I said was that we need Dykes back so Charlie can have a break. Of course I am not suggesting playing Dykes until he is fit and Gray is obviously not fully fit yet and I am not suggesting resting Charlie unless we have a replacement. With the recent run of games in quick succession, with Charlie playing major parts of every game, and he does put the effort in, it is natural that he is tired. Even at the start of the season people were saying he would be a 70 minute a game man, and now he is our only striker. We may have to cope with that until January but in that period we need some goals or our December could be very disappointing. Our injury situation explains why I would like to see Kelman stay and be an impact sub or even start a couple of games while the others are unfit. Still in the top 6 and I want us to stay there. The lack of info re Dykes other than "we don't know when he will be back" is a bit of a worry but we will see. I've read your post carefully, twice now, you didn't mention Dykes, just said to give Charlie a break. This is first sentence of my post pasted from above: "I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break." I have highlighted Dykes name so you can see it.
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Post by Marc on Dec 7, 2021 10:06:05 GMT
I've read your post carefully, twice now, you didn't mention Dykes, just said to give Charlie a break. This is first sentence of my post pasted from above: "I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break." I have highlighted Dykes name so you can see it. Apologies, my brain appeared to miss your 1st paragraph.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 10:44:34 GMT
This is first sentence of my post pasted from above: "I don't want to kick a man when he is down but we need Dykes back asap to give Charlie a break." I have highlighted Dykes name so you can see it. Apologies, my brain appeared to miss your 1st paragraph. No problem - happens to us all
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Post by kilburnhoop on Dec 7, 2021 16:57:25 GMT
No points but 50 shots on goal, 20 on target in the 2 games against Bristol City and Stoke. I would be more concerned if we were not creating chances. The Stoke keeper must be wondering how on earth he never won man of the match
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:44:57 GMT
I agree that not creating chances would be much more of a concern but taking those 2 games 50 shots on goal (including a penalty) and only one goal scored is a terrible conversion rate that if applied to a season would see any team relegated. Fortunately the stat is misleading as we had managed to score in 31 consecutive games and hopefully is not an indication of things to come.
With our current shortage of fit strikers the rest of the team have to keep contributing - as they have done for most of the season. I just wish Chair would get some heading lessons - he should be in double figures scored easily by now.
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 8, 2021 14:56:47 GMT
Yeah, across a season a club has to come up against a keeper playing a blinder - several in all likelihood. Bristol City and Stoke's keepers made some stupendous saves - it happens. It often happens at the end of a purple patch of games and can start a run of unlucky results before form actually dips - I hope it does not, but Sheffield is a tough fixture to follow Stoke.
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