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Post by kenthoop on Sept 18, 2021 16:37:16 GMT
announced they have entered into Administration today
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 19, 2021 8:27:13 GMT
Big crowds and Rooney has got them 10 points thus far. They might go down to -2 points or worse but 10 is a handy start. Their owner seems a right muppet. Rooney has been given no resources and players are freebies, yet is he actually getting results. The crowd I saw at the ground was well over 3/4's full so fans are certainly attending games. Wednesday could and should have buried them last season but they didn't and paid the price. Yes, I do feel sorry for the club and the fans and players, it's not their fault about the dodgy dealings. I feel that way about most lower league clubs suffering too. I just want to see these top six that keep getting away with roughting the system and making millions doing it with no punishments. With that European Super League proposal, each of those six should have been given a -15 point start this season as punishment. But nothing.
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 19, 2021 11:33:55 GMT
if Derby fail to pay their players on time in 11 days time, their 3 points suspended punishment will be sanctioned - and it seems unlikely that they will be able to. The administration 12 points will be confirmed next week. The false accounting charge is said to be a 9 point deduction - but not yet agreed. So by the first week in October, they could be looking at 24 point deduction. Huge - but not as bad as Luton who took a 30 point hit. (For paying agents via a third party 2008/9) I do not like Luton, but that was grossly unfair at the time IMHO - amazed that the club survived and is back up to the second tier - a well run club today. How many years before Derby fans can say that? It took us a long time after all.
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Post by scarletpimple on Sept 21, 2021 8:55:09 GMT
Looks as if it's derby who are tin pot and not us after all, is what some derby fans claimed in 2014. What goes around comes around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 15:40:36 GMT
So Derby's 12 point deduction for entering administration is confirmed, with a possible further 9 points pending a ruling.
Reading facing nine points deduction for exceeding FFP guidelines and Bury out of business.
It is reaching the point that the leagues will only be about promotion with clubs being relegated as a result of points deductions and transfer embargo by the EFL.
I must admit I have little or no sympathy for Derby purely because they deliberately cheated over a couple of years to make sure they stayed in the Championship - a move that is now coming back to haunt them. I also think Wycombe have every right to take legal action over their loss of income resulting from Derby's deliberate actions.
On the other hand Reading seems to be just a case of not managing their P/L well enough so I feel (a bit) for them despite their shirts but then the rules are the rules. I wonder how many more clubs are going to be hit in a similar way in the coming months.
I will not gloat about Derby but will congratulate the QPR board and management as it seems they have managed the club in the best way to avoid another FFP hit. Long may it continue. Now a good League Cup (or whatever you call it) draw with a big crowd and TV money will help a little but even better if we keep the run going and keep the income from cup wins rolling in.
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Post by Marc on Sept 22, 2021 15:48:43 GMT
So Derby's 12 point deduction for entering administration is confirmed, with a possible further 9 points pending a ruling. Reading facing nine points deduction for exceeding FFP guidelines and Bury out of business. It is reaching the point that the leagues will only be about promotion with clubs being relegated as a result of points deductions and transfer embargo by the EFL. I must admit I have little or no sympathy for Derby purely because they deliberately cheated over a couple of years to make sure they stayed in the Championship - a move that is now coming back to haunt them. I also think Wycombe have every right to take legal action over their loss of income resulting from Derby's deliberate actions. On the other hand Reading seems to be just a case of not managing their P/L well enough so I feel (a bit) for them despite their shirts but then the rules are the rules. I wonder how many more clubs are going to be hit in a similar way in the coming months. I will not gloat about Derby but will congratulate the QPR board and management as it seems they have managed the club in the best way to avoid another FFP hit. Long may it continue. Now a good League Cup (or whatever you call it) draw with a big crowd and TV money will help a little but even better if we keep the run going and keep the income from cup wins rolling in. I wouldn't hold out much hope for being on tv in the next round. They tend to go for all prem ties. Some interesting match ups tonight but they've gone for Man Utd v West Ham.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 15:59:15 GMT
So Derby's 12 point deduction for entering administration is confirmed, with a possible further 9 points pending a ruling. Reading facing nine points deduction for exceeding FFP guidelines and Bury out of business. It is reaching the point that the leagues will only be about promotion with clubs being relegated as a result of points deductions and transfer embargo by the EFL. I must admit I have little or no sympathy for Derby purely because they deliberately cheated over a couple of years to make sure they stayed in the Championship - a move that is now coming back to haunt them. I also think Wycombe have every right to take legal action over their loss of income resulting from Derby's deliberate actions. On the other hand Reading seems to be just a case of not managing their P/L well enough so I feel (a bit) for them despite their shirts but then the rules are the rules. I wonder how many more clubs are going to be hit in a similar way in the coming months. I will not gloat about Derby but will congratulate the QPR board and management as it seems they have managed the club in the best way to avoid another FFP hit. Long may it continue. Now a good League Cup (or whatever you call it) draw with a big crowd and TV money will help a little but even better if we keep the run going and keep the income from cup wins rolling in. I wouldn't hold out much hope for being on tv in the next round. They tend to go for all prem ties. Some interesting match ups tonight but they've gone for Man Utd v West Ham. True and there are currently only 4 non PL teams through and likely no more tonight - maybe they will chose a potential "giant killing" match but more likely the rich will get richer and the non PL teams will be left in the dark.
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Post by Marc on Sept 22, 2021 16:22:03 GMT
I wouldn't hold out much hope for being on tv in the next round. They tend to go for all prem ties. Some interesting match ups tonight but they've gone for Man Utd v West Ham. True and there are currently only 4 non PL teams through and likely no more tonight - maybe they will chose a potential "giant killing" match but more likely the rich will get richer and the non PL teams will be left in the dark. Quoted for truth
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Post by rickyqpr on Nov 10, 2021 20:31:44 GMT
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Post by Marc on Nov 11, 2021 8:43:48 GMT
Should've been relegated last Season. Really hope Wycombe get promoted this season so they can wave at Derby on their way up!
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Post by kerrins on Nov 11, 2021 11:32:07 GMT
I see the Derby County lawyers and legal eagles could not block the inevitable any longer!...Mind you they have made a damn good effort at delaying all matters over the past two years!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 9:01:16 GMT
While I do not like to see any club in this situation or football being decided off the pitch, I must make an exception in this case.
In our own case we knowingly tried to use or bend the rules to justify the owners putting funds into the club. We never tried to hide what had happened or use it to gain any points advantage or escape from relegation. However we were found guilty of breaking the by-then defunct FFP rules and were hit with probably the largest penalty ever handed down in the English game, and are still continuing to pay the price.
Derby however deliberately went a step or 3 further, "fake" dealings with their ground, incorrect or even corrupt accounting over a number of seasons, and on top of that devious attempts first to cover it all up and then to delay matters to avoid the relegation they should have suffered last season. So In this case Derby's owners past and present deserve everything they get and if they end up in league 2 soon so be it. The owners should be barred from football for life.
As usual it is the Derby fans who will suffer most and I do feel sorry for them and wish them no ill will, so I hope they survive under new ownership and start to rebuild.
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Post by rickyqpr on Nov 12, 2021 9:39:22 GMT
www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kieran-maguire-reveals-huge-impact-6196178Kieran Maguire reveals huge impact on Derby County after latest points deduction twist The extra nine-point deduction, for breaching Financial Fair Play rules under Mel Morris, has reportedly been accepted by the club Derby County's Pride Park Stadium (Image: Ashley Allen/Getty Images) Derby County look set to be hit with an additional nine-point penalty. The Rams have already been deducted 12 points for entering administration, plunging them to the bottom of the Championship table. Administrators Quantuma had challenged that penalty, but that case has been adjourned and it is being claimed the appeal will be dropped entirely. The extra nine-point deduction, for breaching Financial Fair Play rules under Mel Morris, has reportedly been accepted by the club. Leading football financial expert Kieran Maguire has given his take on why Quantuma tried to fight the points penalty related to administration. He said on the popular Price of Football podcast: “My understanding from doing a bit of ferreting and talking to journalists was that originally, what the administrators and the EFL wanted to do is to effectively bundle together all of the points deductions. How Derby County can avoid most unwanted record in English footballderbytelegraph “Because it’s absolutely critical, if you want to buy a football club, the first thing you want to know is a) What am I getting? and b) How much money is the club going to be generating? “Now, on a 12-point penalty, Derby County, have got a chance of avoiding relegation. 21 points, I think we can say it drops to pretty close to zero. “And therefore that would impact upon what a prospective owner is willing to pay. Would you be happy paying £60m-plus for a club in League One? Probably not, especially as Derby County don’t own their stadium and we don’t know what the position of Mel Morris is. “He’s the person whose financial mismanagement has caused the club to go into administration. “He will say that’s not the case, that it’s down to the EFL and Covid. “You’ve got to feel for Derby fans because Wayne Rooney has done a very sterling job under very trying circumstances."
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 14, 2021 0:21:54 GMT
Those last 3 sentences sum it all up for me. I do feel for their fans and despite what we might think of Rooney, he is actually achieving remarkable results despite all the crap going on in other areas of the club.
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 14, 2021 19:16:58 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 28, 2021 21:24:14 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59772641So Derby have no potential purchasers anymore..... I watched Derby beat WBA yesterday. The spirit of the supporters was recognizable from our bad old days. Well worth watching the goal conceded by WBA if you want a good laugh though.
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Post by harr on Dec 29, 2021 9:18:14 GMT
You have to give Derby credit for still sticking in there even though everything has been heaped against them this season. The players are still showing a bit of spirit, they could have just given up. As much as they are not one of my favourite teams in the Championship I applaud that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 9:46:10 GMT
You have to give Derby credit for still sticking in there even though everything has been heaped against them this season. The players are still showing a bit of spirit, they could have just given up. As much as they are not one of my favourite teams in the Championship I applaud that. Agreed - but I still want them to go down! If their last potential buyer has dropped out things may change quickly. They have a huge overdue bill due to the tax man who are not the most patient and could well look at a liquidation. I would not want any club to go under but it may mean they have to offload players in January. As for the WBA goal - not sure even our defence could give away one like that. Pity we could not take advantage and close the gap on WBA but just under half way through the season and we are on 35 points - double that and we will be around 70 plus for the season. Another step forward if it happens.
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 29, 2021 10:48:17 GMT
It was said on Sky on Monday that all of the Derby players - apart from the juniors are out of contract in the Summer. They are still to clear their accounting irregularities. HMRC still want their dosh. The administrator has rejected all approaches from potential buyers as 'fire sales'. Of course that is what it must be now. You can just see a white knight on the horizon who turns out to be another dodgy owner again. But realistically, they are going to get relegated, the sponsors will desert them, Rooney will finally get poached and the administrator will be glad of the cash. But with all the restrictions on signing players, and so many out of contract, how many will stick around then? This is as bad as any club has ever got. I hated their cheating of the system, but even I feel for their fans. Could well be the first big club to go under despite that spirit - the odds are stacking up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 12:07:51 GMT
It was said on Sky on Monday that all of the Derby players - apart from the juniors are out of contract in the Summer. They are still to clear their accounting irregularities. HMRC still want their dosh. The administrator has rejected all approaches from potential buyers as 'fire sales'. Of course that is what it must be now. You can just see a white knight on the horizon who turns out to be another dodgy owner again. But realistically, they are going to get relegated, the sponsors will desert them, Rooney will finally get poached and the administrator will be glad of the cash. But with all the restrictions on signing players, and so many out of contract, how many will stick around then? This is as bad as any club has ever got. I hated their cheating of the system, but even I feel for their fans. Could well be the first big club to go under despite that spirit - the odds are stacking up. Must agree with all that and of course the worst part is that the loyal fans (and as is being witnessed Derby do have very loyal fans) who will suffer the most. The owners may lose some money that they can afford to lose but the fans could lose an important part of their lives if the club goes under. I really do not think the vast majority of big money men in football these days have the slightest clue about what a football club means to the local community and fans. Maybe we are lucky in that respect in that our shareholders seem to have learnt the hard way but as a consequence do show some understanding of social responsibility and community.
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Post by harr on Dec 29, 2021 12:44:43 GMT
Yes agree it’s the fans that suffer, we have had quite a bit of that over the last few years ourselves. They will for sure go down and probably the best outcome for them in the circumstances. Just hope Millwall join them now
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 3, 2022 15:44:02 GMT
Watching the Derby v Reading game. Junior toilet scores a rare goal and Andy Carroll has lasted 42 minutes without being injuered which must be a first in 10 seasons.
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Post by surreychad on Jan 3, 2022 17:13:54 GMT
You got to hand it to them, they are not giving up
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Post by harr on Jan 3, 2022 17:14:16 GMT
Derby got a point after 3 straight wins. More importantly Stoke lost at home, great result for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2022 12:50:37 GMT
Great result at Stoke. Pity about Derby coming back but with Reading playing in those terrible thin hoops they deserve to go down.
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Post by surreychad on Jan 4, 2022 14:08:28 GMT
Great result at Stoke. Pity about Derby coming back but with Reading playing in those terrible thin hoops they deserve to go down. I must admit I did cheer the Derby equaliser but won't be disappointed if they both go down.
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Post by nomar on Jan 6, 2022 12:10:34 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that somehow Derby are going to stay up?
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Post by surreychad on Jan 6, 2022 12:50:59 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that somehow Derby are going to stay up? Not at all, I have backed them to stay up. They are playing without fear as they are expected to go down. Some teams are playing them as through they will be a push over so. Derby have nothing to lose its a win win situation for them, go down and everyone will say what a great fight they put up, stay up and everyone will say what a cracking job Rooney did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 13:04:24 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that somehow Derby are going to stay up? Not at all, I have backed them to stay up. They are playing without fear as they are expected to go down. Some teams are playing them as through they will be a push over so. Derby have nothing to lose its a win win situation for them, go down and everyone will say what a great fight they put up, stay up and everyone will say what a cracking job Rooney did. Will they stay up - strong possibility imo unless they find no buyer and have to offload their players - or HMRC do the nasty thing. Do the players deserve to stay up - yes based on what they are doing. Does the club deserve to stay up - absolutely not having cheated for years and condemning Wycombe to a relegation that should not have been. Do the fans deserve to stay up - of course with the support they are giving the team but as usual they will suffer for the wrong doings of the owners. Do I want them to stay up - no because that would mean the owners got away with all their cheating - just sorry for the fans
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Post by harr on Jan 6, 2022 13:56:54 GMT
I admire them for their fight but hope the others around them pick up enough points for them to drop. I think it’s only fair Derby go down with Millwall and Fulham
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