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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 15, 2021 18:27:43 GMT
OSAYI-SAMUEL SET FOR TURKEY
Sky Sports News reporter Kaveh Solhekol:
“We’ve just had an update on one of the most sought after players in the Championship, QPR winger Bright Osayi-Samuel. He’s out of contract in the summer and eight clubs have been trying to sign him. We’ve just been told he’s agreed to join Fenerbahce in the summer when his contract runs out.
“This is bad news for QPR, if he had two, three or even four years left on his contract, in this current climate, he would be worth between £8m or £10m. But he’s going to be leaving for next to nothing, with QPR due only a small bit of compensation for him.”
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 15, 2021 18:30:43 GMT
Although this has been suggested before, it is fresh news on SSN this evening. I don't see him putting in much of a shift for the next 4 months. Fenerbache prepared to wait rather than pay for an early release?
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Post by harr on Jan 15, 2021 19:03:10 GMT
I think he will still be useful. Now he has his future settled I think he will still put a shift in be a useful addition over the next 20 odds games. Like Manning didn’t work out well for the Club.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jan 15, 2021 20:00:37 GMT
Well it has been coming , disappointing about the no fee thing though. Maybe we need to start with Willock or Adomah in the future and use Bos more as in pact sub.
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Post by harr on Jan 15, 2021 22:21:43 GMT
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Post by harr on Jan 15, 2021 22:25:13 GMT
WLS
Turkish side Fenerbahce have announced Bright Osayi-Samuel will join them at the end of the season on a four-year contract.
Rangers have been trying to get the winger to commit his future to the club for over a year, with his contract due to expire at the end of the current campaign.
The 23-year-old had looked set to join Belgian side Club Brugge in a deal worth £4.7m at the end of last season after Rangers accepted an offer.
However, after flying out to meet club officials Osayi-Samuel rejected the move.
But late on Friday night the Istanbul side, who are currently second in the Turkish Super Lig, trailing bitter rivals Besiktas on goal difference and in the hunt for Champions League football, announced Osayi-Samuel had agreed terms.
Rangers will be due a compensation payment unless the two clubs agree a fee.
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Post by harr on Jan 15, 2021 22:27:57 GMT
Translated. Information | Our club has reached an agreement with Bright Osayi-Samuel, a 23-year-old winger wearing the Queens Park Rangers jersey, for 4 seasons, starting from the 2021-2022 season. Details about the transfer will be announced in the coming days.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 16, 2021 2:14:39 GMT
Another frigging give away, We make em, we create em and we give em away. EZE being the only one we've got a decent fee for.
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 16, 2021 11:06:48 GMT
put him in the under 23 side until his contract is up as in my opinion he won't be fully committed to us anyway I don't see why everybody wants to sign him you probably get about one good game out of quite a few of him although he has pace I really don't rate him that highly
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 16, 2021 11:50:19 GMT
Another frigging give away, We make em, we create em and we give em away. EZE being the only one we've got a decent fee for. Get real. If no other club offers to buy a player we cannot sell him - is that difficult to understand? If a player does not sign a contract extension he is free to go at the end of his contract. Understand? Absolutely nothing we can do about it. We have done nothing wrong except being shafted by BOS or his agent playing us along with "negotiations" and not getting tough with him earlier. Can't blame BOS because he wants to get the extra money. As I have said many times since the summer, and even more so now, send him to train on his own in the park, hopefully with his own Covid mask, keep him away from the rest of the players, and use the rest of season to give experience to and bed in whoever will take over and get a settled committed team. If anyone says BOS is still committed now he has got what he wants, they are smoking something heavy. All he is committed to is staying injury free so he picks up his signing on fee in the summer. I prefer to see, for example, a committed Adomah or Willock than a half hearted BOS. The club has done little wrong. McClaren didn’t play / rate Bright and shipped him out on loan – as he did Manning. Both players can feel justifiably peeved at that action. But the club correctly extended Bright’s contract option last Summer (and Manning’s). I suspect that the player and especially his agent was not best pleased with that decision. The club was open to offers and accepted the best (and possibly only) offer received for Bright (and Manning). But unlike Manning, Bright was advised to decline. Instead, his agent has now negotiated a large signing on fee for the player (and himself) and it seems that the club are completely in the dark about it. His new contract is for 4 years and I suspect his agent will get him back to the U.K. within two years for another hefty fee. That is the way it goes. Clubs and supporters afford little loyalty to under performing or crocked players, so players are pretty fickle in return. Agents are the lowest of the low. But what happens next? Reports suggest we are entitled to a compensation fee in June, others suggest that the rule may not apply to international deals. I can find no clarity on the web. But the club did choose to treat Bright differently to Manning. It was said at the time that the difference was that we were entitled to compensation for Bright, but obviously not for Ryan. We apparently accepted £150k for (now benchwarmer) Manning and of course saved his wages as we apparently had no intention of playing him. For me, Bright has not been performing well, instead doing just enough. I suspect this will decline as he gets closer to joining his new club. So, we face paying his salary for 6 months, probably north of £150k, according to the unofficial website, whilst leaving him to rot in the reserves or for him putting in a half-arsed performance. Clubs are powerless in these circumstances. QPR can track their mistake back to McClaren’s time, whereby we sent him out on loan and failed to extend his contract. Since then, the power has been with the agent. Any negotiation with his new club will be an unfair debate. They will offer very little, and we will look at it, as we did with Manning, and think about the saved wages for a non-playing team member and accept undisclosed pittance. Not good, but since Bosman, the power has swung, and swung and swung. It is hard to blame any individual for opting to earn the maximum for himself rather that the club. Perhaps, we were seduced by Eze being a bloody exceptional decent bloke – a collectors item it seems in football.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 16, 2021 13:59:10 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 16, 2021 20:09:48 GMT
Best for all if a deal can be struck - even at £750k. Although it smarts a little, we did not complain when Freeman joined us for little more than the compensation fee from Bristol City. We then sold him for a decent price to Sheffield United and now he is back down in the Championship with Notts Forest - although not playing - maybe he is injured? But we are not the only team taking pain. Well run Prestion are losing 5 key players in similar circumstances including Peerson and Johnson. The players we are looking to pick up as a Bright's replacement are also out of contract in June (Sims at Southampton and Doughty at Charlton). So, we just have to get on with it and take the medicine I guess.
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Post by rangersman on Jan 17, 2021 12:09:11 GMT
Get him out the door ASAP, he will not care about playing for us. Get someone who wants to play for us. I dont rate him that highly either.
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Post by nomar on Jan 18, 2021 13:45:37 GMT
Bosman giveth and Bosman taketh away...
QPR fans moaning about this conveniently forget that this was exactly how we got Luke Freeman from Bristol City. It was funny then, but not so great when it happens to you, right?
No doubt we’ll do it again ourselves to some other club in the future, because that’s exactly how the Bosman system works.
I also don’t see what point not playing him now will do, just as I never really understood what good not playing Manning was either.. if he’s playing crap then sure, yank him, but if not he’s still one of your better players and you’re going to need every one of these if you hope to stay up this season. It’s good having principles, but you don’t cut your nose off to spite your face.
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Post by harr on Jan 18, 2021 15:09:56 GMT
If we have him , play him simples. He is better than we currently have
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 12:01:40 GMT
Sadly not going to be selected, probably as we don’t want him injured and will be out the door before end of Jan.
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Post by surreychad on Jan 19, 2021 12:17:56 GMT
I am torn on this, I want to see our best players starting week of which is is one. BOS hasn't exactly set the world light in the past few weeks either and probably wont get any better as he wont want to jeopardise his move (This is a huge assumption), we have also set the policy so must stick with it otherwise we show that we are weak as a club and players can do what they want, you have to think of the future so as to try and avoid this situation happening again (It probably will as agents don't care about the club)
I don't know who will step up to take his place, could be a mix of Adomah and Wilock both of which offer something or we may bring in someone new, who knows. What ever happens we know where we stand with BOS now and he wont find it easy in turkey and will probably be back in the UK in the next 18 / 24 months probably in the Championship.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jan 19, 2021 12:39:35 GMT
I'm not torn on this, and I do consider Bos our only player who could turn a game around, single handed. He simply can't wear our shirt again there is no point.
What I would ask is about these pre contract agreements. What are they all about? Would this mean say Arsenal tomorrow say to Dieng we want to enter a pre contract and at the end of your current contract you sign for us . If there is no limit on how long a pre contract can be, then all contracts are worthless. I don't know if there is a length of time on pre contract's, and had not heard of them before Bos. but then Bos was rumoured to be in precontract negotiations with a number of clubs.
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Post by LifeR on Jan 19, 2021 12:44:22 GMT
Per Surrey: "I don't know who will step up to take his place, could be a mix of Adomah and Wilock"
Agree, but with 3-5-2 being the current formation might also be Niko or the new fellow Jordy, although he is strictly a CB.
Money is on Uncle Albert.
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 12:49:22 GMT
I am torn on this, I want to see our best players starting week of which is is one. BOS hasn't exactly set the world light in the past few weeks either and probably wont get any better as he wont want to jeopardise his move (This is a huge assumption), we have also set the policy so must stick with it otherwise we show that we are weak as a club and players can do what they want, you have to think of the future so as to try and avoid this situation happening again (It probably will as agents don't care about the club) I don't know who will step up to take his place, could be a mix of Adomah and Wilock both of which offer something or we may bring in someone new, who knows. What ever happens we know where we stand with BOS now and he wont find it easy in turkey and will probably be back in the UK in the next 18 / 24 months probably in the Championship. WLS I believe said if BOS goes this window, lad from Huddersfield was coming in ? Forget his name but ex Brentford , Hudds paid 8 Mill for him but had a bad injury ..... that one
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 12:50:38 GMT
Per Surrey: "I don't know who will step up to take his place, could be a mix of Adomah and Wilock" Agree, but with 3-5-2 being the current formation might also be Niko or the new fellow Jordy, although he is strictly a CB. Money is on Uncle Albert. To my knowledge Jordy is out injured .....
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Post by nomar on Jan 19, 2021 13:01:12 GMT
Hope Uncle Albert is ready then.
Will be best for all if the club can just agree some fee for him to go in this window. If they do, I know many QPR ‘fans’ will p*ss and moan on Twitter and other forums about how low the figure is we ended up getting for him. But something at this stage is better than nothing.
Oh well, another one gone then. Ho hum.
As you were, gentlemen.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 19, 2021 13:01:50 GMT
I am not torn either. I think that he has known about his exit plans for some time and just about does enough to justify his place in the team - but no more than 'enough'. WLS imply that he has misled QPR about being prepared to sign a new contract with us and QPR were not party at all to his pre-contract. I think the player and both clubs want him out now and if an agreement cannot be reached for January then I do not think he should play again for QPR. He will not want to get injured. When was the last time he went on a surging run or pushed the ball past a defender? As for negotiating tactics though, I do not think we should be announcing that we will not be playing him. The best chance of driving up the price is for the buying club to fear that he could get injured before joining. In answer to Style's question, pre-contreacts can only be signed 6 months before the end of a current contract. What was different about Bright was that after the club exercised the one year option, the player declined a new contract and was dropped from playing. The player then apparently indicated that he would sign a new contract so that his agent could put him in the shop window. He then let clubs know that he would be available on a pre-contract in January. Clubs expressed an interest (or the agent leaked) so that he could drive up the signing on fee and salary. Duplicitous maybe, but I think it suited our agenda to say that he was still in egotiation so that we could play him.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 19, 2021 13:08:50 GMT
Hope Uncle Albert is ready then. Will be best for all if the club can just agree some fee for him to go in this window. If they do, I know many QPR ‘fans’ will p*ss and moan on Twitter and other forums about how low the figure is we ended up getting for him. But something at this stage is better than nothing. Oh well, another one gone then. Ho hum. As you were, gentlemen. As to the fee - it seems that the compensation fee is set low to encourage teams to conclude a deal. I have seen it mentioned that the average would be something like £500- £700k but with sell ons. At the same time, if we receive more than we paid for Bright, then Blackpool will get a generous share. It was said at the time that we acquired Bright for between £750k and £1m - I doubt we have paid much by way of add-ons. The price widely quoted was £900k. So I guess the negotiation range is £500k to £900k, but hopefully with add-ons.
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 13:16:11 GMT
Hope Uncle Albert is ready then. Will be best for all if the club can just agree some fee for him to go in this window. If they do, I know many QPR ‘fans’ will p*ss and moan on Twitter and other forums about how low the figure is we ended up getting for him. But something at this stage is better than nothing. Oh well, another one gone then. Ho hum. As you were, gentlemen. As to the fee - it seems that the compensation fee is set low to encourage teams to conclude a deal. I have seen it mentioned that the average would be something like £500- £700k but with sell ons. At the same time, if we receive more than we paid for Bright, then Blackpool will get a generous share. It was said at the time that we acquired Bright for between £750k and £1m - I doubt we have paid much by way of add-ons. The price widely quoted was £900k. So I guess the negotiation range is £500k to £900k, but hopefully with add-ons. Bit gutting really, by the time we pay Blackpool we will have lost a bit of money on a young up and coming talent. We should be making money on BOS and Manning, let’s hope going forwards we can cash in and get a better return. We are where we are, no point dwelling on it now......
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 14:24:55 GMT
Bit gutting really, by the time we pay Blackpool we will have lost a bit of money on a young up and coming talent. We should be making money on BOS and Manning, let’s hope going forwards we can cash in and get a better return. We are where we are, no point dwelling on it now...... What encourages me Harr is that the good ones we are signing now like Dickie are getting 4 year contracts so we are less likely to be held over the barrel after a season or two. Gives us more time to turn a good profit as they develop. Plus the older stop gap players are coming on short term term contracts that suit both them and the club. Good business imo. PS. S**t there I go again - twice I said I was quitting posting on here then I see a hint of common sense and decent discussion and can't help joining in.....but I will be avoiding certain subjects and posters! Beats looking out the window and wearing a mask I suppose. Yes agree ones like Dickie and others hopefully we will do better and things more straightforward. Im sure things are being done better these days, just frustrating to have two go down this route but onwards and upwards. Lets hopefully get a replacement in that will help Charlie score some more goals and keep us up in this Division. Yes keep posting, anything to take your mind off Covid for 10 minutes is a good thing for sure. It kind of overtakes our lives at the minute.
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Post by LifeR on Jan 19, 2021 16:09:36 GMT
"PS. S**t there I go again - twice I said I was quitting posting on here then I see a hint of common sense and decent discussion and can't help joining in.....but I will be avoiding certain subjects and posters! Beats looking out the window and wearing a mask I suppose".
Very good news and also terrific way of stating it.
(75: if you are signed by another message board on a pre contract, we hope concerns re injury before then (carpal tunnel etc) will not preclude posting!
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Post by surreychad on Jan 19, 2021 16:47:02 GMT
I am torn on this, I want to see our best players starting week of which is is one. BOS hasn't exactly set the world light in the past few weeks either and probably wont get any better as he wont want to jeopardise his move (This is a huge assumption), we have also set the policy so must stick with it otherwise we show that we are weak as a club and players can do what they want, you have to think of the future so as to try and avoid this situation happening again (It probably will as agents don't care about the club) I don't know who will step up to take his place, could be a mix of Adomah and Wilock both of which offer something or we may bring in someone new, who knows. What ever happens we know where we stand with BOS now and he wont find it easy in turkey and will probably be back in the UK in the next 18 / 24 months probably in the Championship. WLS I believe said if BOS goes this window, lad from Huddersfield was coming in ? Forget his name but ex Brentford , Hudds paid 8 Mill for him but had a bad injury ..... that one Alex Pritchard. The player that was sold not too long ago for £11milion and now is being touted out in swap deals and / or £300k. i dont like to make assumptions as I dont know the situation with Huddersfield, but doest feel like its someone with the same. I like being proven wrong though
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Post by surreychad on Jan 19, 2021 16:47:49 GMT
Per Surrey: "I don't know who will step up to take his place, could be a mix of Adomah and Wilock" Agree, but with 3-5-2 being the current formation might also be Niko or the new fellow Jordy, although he is strictly a CB. Money is on Uncle Albert. To my knowledge Jordy is out injured ..... Already? Bloody blimey.
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 17:15:28 GMT
To my knowledge Jordy is out injured ..... Already? Bloody blimey. Yeah I don’t think it’s major, maybe keeps him out for a game or two. Picked up a calf injury training when at Hull.
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