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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2020 16:31:55 GMT
I've seen tweets. But not official
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Post by surreychad on Oct 27, 2020 16:48:39 GMT
hmmm, hope this isnt true, but if it is fair play to QPR and MW no point playing someone that doesn't want to play for us even if its down to not getting enough money.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 27, 2020 16:53:43 GMT
Be a massive shame if so. I know we aren't offering much wages wise but not like we'd stand in his way if any half decent offer came in. Reeks of a pre-contract agreement somewhere else if he is that happy to leave the money on the table. We'll have to try and push for some kind of (inevitably cheap) deal come January if so. If we are sticking to our guns, that's him out of the team which is a huge blow imo.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2020 17:07:34 GMT
To be honest; even if he wanted to leave I'd play him (Ditto re Manning) - As long as in training and on the field and in the dressing room they did their job
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Post by stylecouncillor on Oct 27, 2020 17:21:38 GMT
As much as I admire QPR's stance on this. It never really worked out to well with doing this to Manning ie dropping him the team suffered and we lost out money wise. Surely we only have January to sell BOS and not playing him is only going to get zero bids coming in for him. I don't think dropping our best midfielder benefits us. Obviously this is based on this thread being correct.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 27, 2020 19:05:55 GMT
As much as I admire QPR's stance on this. It never really worked out to well with doing this to Manning ie dropping him the team suffered and we lost out money wise. Surely we only have January to sell BOS and not playing him is only going to get zero bids coming in for him. I don't think dropping our best midfielder benefits us. Obviously this is based on this thread being correct. I'm a bit torn on it tbh. Purely on a resource level, it seems a shame because personally I didn't see anything in his performances that were unprofessional, but of course that can change. Once you've publicly made your bed on the issue, the club have to lie in it. But similarly, if rumours turn out to be true on what went on I can see why we have drawn a hard line on it. Fundamentally, we have to show players that it works both ways. The club have been super open that you will get game time here, we will develop you and we will happily let you move on if the deal is fair. But that has to come with players being fair back. That's complicated by how BOS and Manning had it under McClaren where deals could and should have been in place and extended earlier to avoid this kinda mess. But without knowing what's gone on internally, it is hard to judge innit.
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Post by nomar on Oct 27, 2020 19:46:25 GMT
Kind of feels like we’re cutting off our nose to spite our face here.
That means BOS, Eze, Manning, Hugill and Wells have all ‘gone’. That was all our goals and assists from last season.
We can’t score as it is, so this is just going to compound the problem.
Oh well, we look like we’re going down anyway, so may as well do it in true QPR style by going the rest of the season without ever scoring again.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 27, 2020 20:08:28 GMT
Kind of feels like we’re cutting off our nose to spite our face here. That means BOS, Eze, Manning, Hugill and Wells have all ‘gone’. That was all our goals and assists from last season. We can’t score as it is, so this is just going to compound the problem. Oh well, we look like we’re going down anyway, so may as well do it in true QPR style by going the rest of the season without ever scoring again. You might be right but people said the exact same thing the last three seasons didn't they.
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Post by nomar on Oct 27, 2020 20:30:48 GMT
Kind of feels like we’re cutting off our nose to spite our face here. That means BOS, Eze, Manning, Hugill and Wells have all ‘gone’. That was all our goals and assists from last season. We can’t score as it is, so this is just going to compound the problem. Oh well, we look like we’re going down anyway, so may as well do it in true QPR style by going the rest of the season without ever scoring again. You might be right but people said the exact same thing the last three seasons didn't they. Yes but what’s the key difference between those seasons and now? I’m not one for sensationalism, but how much of this are you going to keep watching and convince yourself that a team that can’t score or defend is going to somehow win games in this division and stay up?
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Post by bowranger on Oct 27, 2020 20:42:21 GMT
You might be right but people said the exact same thing the last three seasons didn't they. Yes but what’s the key difference between those seasons and now? I’m not one for sensationalism, but how much of this are you going to keep watching and convince yourself that a team that can’t score or defend is going to somehow win games in this division and stay up? I'm not convinced either way, didn't say I was. I dont think it is all rosey. Just historically conditioned of every single season having people preach doom and certain relegation for almost the exact same reasons. And have learnt that making a hard prediction either way less than 10 games into the season rarely ends up being accurate. And probably just on a personal level, if my attitude was so confidently negative whenever we had a crap start to the season, I wouldn't bother. May as well tune out now and do something else with my Saturdays if I was that sure. It isn't "positive v negative" perspectives. To me it's more that there's more going on in football and more to a discussion than just repeatedly reiterating how crap we are.
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Post by rickyqpr on Oct 28, 2020 15:58:26 GMT
As much as I admire QPR's stance on this. It never really worked out to well with doing this to Manning ie dropping him the team suffered and we lost out money wise. Surely we only have January to sell BOS and not playing him is only going to get zero bids coming in for him. I don't think dropping our best midfielder benefits us. Obviously this is based on this thread being correct. We got less than fans wanted for Manning simply because no-one wanted to buy him especially in a Covid hit window and certainly not at the fee expected by fans . BOS has done the dirty on us as far as I can see - play along until the window closes then put his feet up until January and run down his contract . His value with only a couple of months left on his contract and still in the Covid depressed market is going to be next to nil whether he plays or not. If he plays without full effort we may as well use some of the players we have who do want to play. If he plays to his full ability (which I doubt) we may get a goal or two so yes play him but come January he will still be worth next to nothing however well he plays and we either let him go very cheap then or keep paying to the summer and get nothing. As for the Premier League who is going to touch him now apart from someone in the bottom three already rebuilding a Championship team. Re another post Wells was not our player so we had no control, Hugill was way out of our price range so we had no control, Eze was 100% PL bound and we got decent money for him that helped rebuild the squad. So we lost our top goal scorers but have signed new players who have to step up. No different to any other club on a shoestring budget and no different to what we have been through many times in the last 60 years or so. Bright's position is different to that of Manning's in so much as we will get a compensation payment for Bright, because of his age. Small consolation, I know.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 29, 2020 9:30:23 GMT
Bright's position is different to that of Manning's in so much as we will get a compensation payment for Bright, because of his age. Small consolation, I know. True but I think at the moment we should be more interested in whether he is going to play , and play to his ability in the coming months. At the end of the day I think certainly we and probably he will regret the a he did not go to Belgium - First Division and European footballl v's sitting in the park or on the bench and 5 million cash v's 250k compensation - if someone takes him. If the club are sticking to their guns, he won't be playing, whether he's up for it or not. It would be a huge climbdown from Warburton if he changed his mind after going so public on it and at this point I'm not sure he can, whether it makes sense or not. Cynic in me still says he doesn't turn down the deal unless he (or his agent more likely) believes they have a sure thing lined up for January. Which, for all the mitigation of Mclaren and us not offering much, would leave a sour taste.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Oct 29, 2020 10:28:54 GMT
Cynic in me still says he doesn't turn down the deal unless he (or his agent more likely) believes they have a sure thing lined up for January. Which, for all the mitigation of Mclaren and us not offering much, would leave a sour taste. Think you're probably right. But Scotland!? He'll get one decent team to play against, the rest will be League One level. And he'll exchange the chance of being our stand-out player of the year and earn himself a Premier League move next season for being part of a Celtic side that lost the Scottish Premiership for the first time in 10 years...
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 29, 2020 19:59:24 GMT
I think you are spot on 75.
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Post by harr on Oct 30, 2020 11:22:56 GMT
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Post by stylecouncillor on Oct 30, 2020 12:47:37 GMT
This really is getting tiresome and not helping the team at all. Its not Messi we are talking about and the next transfer window will be on us while we are still talking of negotiations moving this way or the other. Sure it is an important decision for BOS but he has literally had since the last winter window and plenty of time during the lock down to consider things. What can be so difficult. Time we put an end to this - give him a deadline of 10 days or 2 weeks from today or then we take the decision for him. I agree but perhaps dropping him might of actually worked. As he wasn't dropped like Manning during Negotiations he thought he would call the clubs bluff. As he was dropped a few hours before kick off, he might now realise he might not play again until january.
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Post by surreychad on Jun 3, 2021 10:42:06 GMT
i see that he may be looking to come back to the UK already, Celtic and Ranger are eyeing him up. Grass isn't always greener......
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Post by LifeR on Jun 3, 2021 11:48:03 GMT
Scottish Prem might be his level. Talented player, but no more than that or Championship perhaps.
Blackpool again? Would test our wing backs for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 10:53:33 GMT
If BOS has not picked up the language and cannot fly back and forth due to quarantines he could be having a lonely unpleasant time in the country of delights.
Now if Bristol City want to buy Albert as rumoured - they can have him for 2 million or so which would give as a nice profit to help pay to buy Johansen. Then we could take BOS back on a free transfer (and the deal he turned down) to be an off the bench replacement for Albert.
So everyone should be happy apart from me as I always thought BOS was over rated and lazy apart for some 5 minute flashes but then his Turkish experience may have brought him to his senses. Should have gone to Belgium for 5 million!
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Post by surreychad on Jun 4, 2021 14:01:25 GMT
If BOS has not picked up the language and cannot fly back and forth due to quarantines he could be having a lonely unpleasant time in the country of delights. Now if Bristol City want to buy Albert as rumoured - they can have him for 2 million or so which would give as a nice profit to help pay to buy Johansen. Then we could take BOS back on a free transfer (and the deal he turned down) to be an off the bench replacement for Albert. So everyone should be happy apart from me as I always thought BOS was over rated and lazy apart for some 5 minute flashes but then his Turkish experience may have brought him to his senses. Should have gone to Belgium for 5 million! I don't think many would want to see him wearing our shirt again, the way he left wasn't conducted very well on his part.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 21, 2021 10:45:54 GMT
the72.co.uk/239987/controversial-ex-qpr-man-bright-osayi-samuel-nearing-2-5m-uk-return-with-champions-league-club/Seems that his is on his way to Scotland with Rangers. Fee being reported as £2.5m when we only received £750k. No doubt he will get a second signing on fee, Fenerbahce have on the face of it made £1.75m on the deal, although Beights wages and signing on fee to come off that, maybe £750k I guess, possibly more. As for poor old QPR who almost sold him for £4.75m less than a year ago, our negotiating position was then poor, thanks to Bright's agent, we may not even have a sell-on but at 10% of the increment, we may get another £175k. So at best we will end up with less that £1m, Fenerbahce have made a quick return on a player who never settled and did not deliver for them, the player and agent have picked up double bubble of signing on fees, and a move back to the UK with Champions League football retained throughout. Compare and contrast Eze's tenure and transfer. Eze will always be welcomed back, as for Bright and his agent..... Meanwhile Josh Bowler who left for a fee rising to to £4.5m having just made his debut, has signed on a free for Blackpool. And the moral of the story........well you tell me! www.footballfancast.com/rangers-transfer-rumours/rangers-osayi-samuel-qpr-fenerbahce-wilson-gerrard
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Post by surreychad on Jun 21, 2021 11:06:23 GMT
And the moral of the story........well you tell me! You win some ,you lose some,.............. but the agent always wins
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 11:21:36 GMT
the72.co.uk/239987/controversial-ex-qpr-man-bright-osayi-samuel-nearing-2-5m-uk-return-with-champions-league-club/Seems that his is on his way to Scotland with Rangers. Fee being reported as £2.5m when we only received £750k. No doubt he will get a second signing on fee, Fenerbahce have on the face of it made £1.75m on the deal, although Beights wages and signing on fee to come off that, maybe £750k I guess, possibly more. As for poor old QPR who almost sold him for £4.75m less than a year ago, our negotiating position was then poor, thanks to Bright's agent, we may not even have a sell-on but at 10% of the increment, we may get another £175k. So at best we will end up with less that £1m, Fenerbahce have made a quick return on a player who never settled and did not deliver for them, the player and agent have picked up double bubble of signing on fees, and a move back to the UK with Champions League football retained throughout. Compare and contrast Eze's tenure and transfer. Eze will always be welcomed back, as for Bright and his agent..... Meanwhile Josh Bowler who left for a fee rising to to £4.5m having just made his debut, has signed on a free for Blackpool. And the moral of the story........well you tell me! www.footballfancast.com/rangers-transfer-rumours/rangers-osayi-samuel-qpr-fenerbahce-wilson-gerrard I doubt he will last a season at Rangers. If he does not delver the goods or if he shows the same attitude or lack of effort as he often did for us the Rangers fans will turn on him pretty quickly and not very nicely. I wonder if he knows it is the Scottish Rangers he would be going to or maybe he thinks he is heading back to us
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 21, 2021 12:02:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 8:37:05 GMT
Rangers and Celtic wanted him on a free not long ago so I cannot see them splashing out 4 million for him now. BOS may have to learn Turkish quickly!. Brings lots of sayings to mind, grass is not greener, shot himself in the foot......
I can see a minor case of the Adel or Ravel Morrison sagas looming without so much ability though. Interestingly I just checked Ravels situation. Since the end of 2014 he has played in a total of 41 games in numerous countries (including sub appearances and games he did not finish). 18 of those 41 games were in Mexico and in the 41 games he scored 3 goals - all in Mexico - what a waste - and he still talks like he is gods gift to football and knows all there is to be known about the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 12:20:57 GMT
Having looked up what happened to Adel and Ravel and it being Sunday I thought I would look at another of our 'star' signings - French international Loic Remy and how the mighty have fallen but lined their pockets on the way for little effort.
We signed Loic for 10.5 million ( all fees are in euro) in January 2013 August. 2013 loaned to Newcastle for a 2.3 million loan fee August 2014 sold to Chelsea for 13.2 million - nice transfer/loan net income of 5 million for us in 18 months! August 2016 loaned to Palace for a 1 million loan fee September 2017 joined Las Palmas in Spain on a free Lasted 3 months before being loaned out to Getafe in Spain 6 months later in summer 2018 sold to Lille in France for 1.4 million when his market value at time was quoted as 6 million! August 2020 joined Rizespor in Turkey on a free - funny how these guys all end up in Turkey, money talks. Since then he played only 25% of their games and was involved in 7 goals (scored and assists) and his market value is now 750k euro at age 34. Maybe we could sell Bonne for that and buy Remy again to see how it would have worked out with him and Charlie playing together.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 4, 2021 17:42:49 GMT
www.westlondonsport.com/fulham/football-fulham-silva-osayi-samuelNot sure I like the idea of Bright returning to the Championship to play against us - especially with Fulham. It is rare for me not to wish a player well for the future, but.... Just hope Johansem lines up for us against Fulham and shows them what they missed out on. Of course, they could both line up against us though.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 4, 2021 18:58:01 GMT
Sometimes the grass is not Greener......
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