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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 25, 2021 20:03:15 GMT
Well we won't be getting Hugill. He has signed on loan for WBA - no doubt ready to star against us in the TV game!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 8:03:46 GMT
Agreed re Wells vs Gray, Wells v's Bony (not Bonne) agreed in principal but Well is under contract and they paid 5 million for him so will want a decent fee, Bony as a free agent makes more economic sense. Plus if we have Wells Dykes and Austin all fit and are only playing one up front it will be difficult to sell to the player as a good move for regular football. Playing 2 upfront would likely mean breaking the Willock/Chair partnership which I think could develop into one of the best in the league with Johansen behind them. It all depends on what Bony would want, he might be asking for too much which is why he is a free agent and has been playing in the middle east for the last two years. Wells would be the preferred player, but that is a good point about playing time and we don't need to change who is starting up front, just need some depth. The best option might be to get someone on loan from a top flight club. Agreed mostly but the only issue with taking a premier player on loan is that we would either be picking up an experienced player nearer the end of his PL days and likely be expensive or a young player who is being sent out from the PL to get play time and experience or a Hugill/Wells type wanting to play. There is a whole list experienced out of contract experienced strikers in the approx 30's age group who are struggling to get a job and would be more likely to accept being a bench warmer and cover at a lower wage rather than being out of work. The other issue is whether Kelman can step up as the third striker. He looked reasonable against Oxford and if he is not going on loan we do not want to push him further down the pecking order and leave him with no experience benefit at all. The big issue seems to be, if we accept our current 2 are good enough, can Charlie last a full game every week and what happens if he or Dykes get a bad knock. Staying with those 2 plus Kelman may end up as the best option given finances. Get rid of Kane and a couple of more loans such as a Keeper and we may have room for another back-up striker.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 26, 2021 12:23:39 GMT
I think that the push for another striker maybe so that we can loan out Kelman. He needs to be playing regularly, but with Bonne out on loan, Kelman is currently unable to leave. If we do not sign one, Kelman has to make do with the subs bench at best. But, I cannot see us paying crazy money to do so. Watford are desperate to offload Andre Gray and will take the best offer before the window closes. Otherwise they have to pay Gray £70k per week and he may not even make their final squad. He is currently 4th / 5th choice. Last season he was listed as their highest earner. On the last year of his contract, they face losing him next Summer for nothing having paid £18m for him. As for QPR, ok if he is a bargain, but does not tick enough boxes for me.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 27, 2021 9:16:49 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 30, 2021 11:49:17 GMT
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Post by rangersman on Aug 30, 2021 12:49:32 GMT
Not at all impressed with Gray, maybe give Kelman the experience with us.
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Post by Marc on Aug 30, 2021 12:59:31 GMT
Not at all impressed with Gray, maybe give Kelman the experience with us. If Dykes and Austin are fit, Kelman will only be a bench warmer. If he goes out on loan, he'll get the regular game time he needs to progress. He isn't going to get that at Rangers this season. Also, I never judge players on their form from their previous club. There are so many external factors that can have on a player. If Warburton and Ferdinand believe he can do a job, I trust their judgement.
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Post by harr on Aug 30, 2021 13:00:11 GMT
Kelman is not ready for the Championship yet IMO. Much rather he went to league one this year and played games.
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Post by harr on Aug 30, 2021 15:17:16 GMT
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Post by Marc on Aug 30, 2021 15:36:58 GMT
Kelman is not ready for the Championship yet IMO. Much rather he went to league one this year and played games. Exactly this. We've seen flashes from him that tells us he's not too far off and a season in league one could be the making of him. I just hope he goes to a club that will play him week in week out.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 30, 2021 16:04:43 GMT
I wonder how many will depart out on loan by tomorrow evening? Potentially, we could lose: Kane, Kelman, Barnes, Ramkilde, Owens, Alfa and Gubbins. But if Ramkilde is still here come Wednesday, he must rate as one of the strangest signings, even for us. He doesn't ever seem to play at any level foe us and yet we extend his contract. Owens similar - but he has had a series of bad injuries and would be hard to place. Barnes another extension - odd decision for our 4th choice keeper - who would be a keeper?
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Post by sharky on Aug 31, 2021 0:29:18 GMT
Barnes another extension - odd decision for our 4th choice keeper - who would be a keeper? Ah yes but remember Dieng was our 4th choice keeper and look at him now!
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Post by sharky on Aug 31, 2021 0:34:28 GMT
Question - With Gray coming in, what will our starting line up be? We can't fit Austin, Dykes and Gray into the starting 11
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Post by harr on Aug 31, 2021 6:11:47 GMT
Maybe we will alternate Austin and Gray in the weeks we play a mid week game. Austin could not play Sat Weds Sat Weds Sat and that will be happening in a few weeks ….. Watford fans were saying let’s hope Gray scores goals for us as his passing is supposedly terrible, I always like to see a player for a month or two before making any rash judgement, On paper we have three of the best strikers out of the 24 teams in the League .
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Post by harr on Aug 31, 2021 8:18:47 GMT
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Post by Marc on Aug 31, 2021 8:28:25 GMT
That's interesting as everywhere else is reporting it as a season long loan, including WLS this morning.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 31, 2021 13:00:22 GMT
My local press are insistent that the Gray transfer will only be a loan and not a release / pay off. Although believe he will never kick a ball for Watford again.
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Post by sharky on Aug 31, 2021 15:35:20 GMT
Kane to Coventry according to Coventry Live
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 31, 2021 19:16:50 GMT
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Post by Marc on Aug 31, 2021 19:27:51 GMT
Hmmm
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 31, 2021 19:41:17 GMT
Interesting how we as fans react. Gray has been a bad boy in the past - even the recent past, getting suspended by Watford for breeching COVID restrictions by throwing a party during lockdown. He lives in the pop world with his partner (Little Mix) - he appears to be the wrong sort. But as fans, we welcome, and to a certain extent forgive. We say 'give him a chance, he may have changed, that was years ago, he is a father of twins now, Warbs knows him well and will mentor him back into the goals etc'. That is until he becomes the next boo boy if and when he does not score goals. Compare and contrast Todd Kane. Two recent events that has turned the fanbase firmly against him. His indiscretions not really a patch on Gray's antics. But to Kane we say 'good riddance, bad egg, poor attitude, show him the door etc' But Coventry fans welcoming him, giving him the same benefits of the doubt. See how Coventry media cover his indiscretions on the link below. Fickle - not us! www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-transfers-todd-kane-21448617
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 31, 2021 19:47:07 GMT
Oh dear, Not the thing to say in public these days. The Woke community, PC Brigade & LBGT communities will be up in arms.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 31, 2021 20:39:08 GMT
Kelman to Gillingham (loan)
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Post by Marc on Aug 31, 2021 20:58:58 GMT
Oh dear, Not the thing to say in public these days. The Woke community, PC Brigade & LBGT communities will be up in arms. Do you have to be gay, woke or member of the pc brigade to find homophobia abhorrent?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 8:05:07 GMT
Oh dear, Not the thing to say in public these days. The Woke community, PC Brigade & LBGT communities will be up in arms. Do you have to be gay, woke or member of the pc brigade to find homophobia abhorrent? I think the answer to your question has to be no but I would pose a number of questions myself. Why has WilliamH or who ever he copied from spent no doubt many hours scrolling Twitter posts from almost 10 years ago to dig up these disgusting comments. Either to make a name for himself, just to dig up the dirt, a conscientious community member or some other reason? Why was this held until after the loan was completed ? This seems to be designed to create ill feeling towards the player. I would suggest that it may have been better providing this to the club in advance in case they were unaware if it is such a big issue. Does WilliamH know if the club were aware of these posts? Does anyone accept that players like all human beings make mistakes at some stage in their life especially at a young age and therefore what he wrote all those years ago (probably to impress his friends) may be completely different to his opinion now? I feel sure that the player has also been on the receiving end of social media posts about his colour or race. Could WilliamH put together a summary of those to show the other side of the equation, not that one justifies the other either way round. While the vast majority of fans will agree that the comments were abhorrent, will they at least think about my questions, and give him a chance to show what he can do on the field. Also I am afraid but sure there will be a hopefully very small number who actually still support those comments and the few that do are likely to be among the so called boo boys anyway. The Millwall mob would love those comments if they were not coming from Gray Having read some past threads on this board I have seen numerous comments aimed at our players, managers and other board members that I would rate as equally abhorrent or insulting, not so much for discrimination but due to the fact they were personally aimed at specific people. Keyboard warriors are everywhere.
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Post by Marc on Sept 1, 2021 8:13:35 GMT
Do you have to be gay, woke or member of the pc brigade to find homophobia abhorrent? I think the answer to your question has to be no but I would pose a number of questions myself. Why has WilliamH or who ever he copied from spent no doubt many hours scrolling Twitter posts from almost 10 years ago to dig up these disgusting comments. Either to make a name for himself, just to dig up the dirt, a conscientious community member or some other reason? Why was this held until after the loan was completed ? This seems to be designed to create ill feeling towards the player. I would suggest that it may have been better providing this to the club in advance in case they were unaware if it is such a big issue. Does WilliamH know if the club were aware of these posts? Does anyone accept that players like all human beings make mistakes at some stage in their life especially at a young age and therefore what he wrote all those years ago (probably to impress his friends) may be completely different to his opinion now? I feel sure that the player has also been on the receiving end of social media posts about his colour or race. Could WilliamH put together a summary of those to show the other side of the equation, not that one justifies the other either way round. While the vast majority of fans will agree that the comments were abhorrent, will they at least think about my questions, and give him a chance to show what he can do on the field. Also I am afraid but sure there will be a hopefully very small number who actually still support those comments and the few that do are likely to be among the so called boo boys anyway. The Millwall mob would love those comments if they were not coming from Gray Having read some past threads on this board I have seen numerous comments aimed at our players, managers and other board members that I would rate as equally abhorrent or insulting, not so much for discrimination but due to the fact they were personally aimed at specific people. Keyboard warriors are everywhere. Just to clarify, I'm not judging one way or another. It just annoys me when people use 'woke' and 'pc brigade' as this implies that such comments are otherwise acceptable (yes I know he also said 'LGBT community). As far as your last point is concerned, I couldn't agree more and I've called many of those posters out in the past.
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 1, 2021 9:32:36 GMT
I think the answer to your question has to be no but I would pose a number of questions myself. Why has WilliamH or who ever he copied from spent no doubt many hours scrolling Twitter posts from almost 10 years ago to dig up these disgusting comments. Either to make a name for himself, just to dig up the dirt, a conscientious community member or some other reason? Why was this held until after the loan was completed ? This seems to be designed to create ill feeling towards the player. I would suggest that it may have been better providing this to the club in advance in case they were unaware if it is such a big issue. Does WilliamH know if the club were aware of these posts? Does anyone accept that players like all human beings make mistakes at some stage in their life especially at a young age and therefore what he wrote all those years ago (probably to impress his friends) may be completely different to his opinion now? I feel sure that the player has also been on the receiving end of social media posts about his colour or race. Could WilliamH put together a summary of those to show the other side of the equation, not that one justifies the other either way round. While the vast majority of fans will agree that the comments were abhorrent, will they at least think about my questions, and give him a chance to show what he can do on the field. Also I am afraid but sure there will be a hopefully very small number who actually still support those comments and the few that do are likely to be among the so called boo boys anyway. The Millwall mob would love those comments if they were not coming from Gray Having read some past threads on this board I have seen numerous comments aimed at our players, managers and other board members that I would rate as equally abhorrent or insulting, not so much for discrimination but due to the fact they were personally aimed at specific people. Keyboard warriors are everywhere. Just to clarify, I'm not judging one way or another. It just annoys me when people use 'woke' and 'pc brigade' as this implies that such comments are otherwise acceptable (yes I know he also said 'LGBT community). As far as your last point is concerned, I couldn't agree more and I've called many of those posters out in the past. As I said in my post earlier on this thread, most fans are happy to forgive any incoming bad boy and yet boot any outgoing player who has transgressed. Many fans just want success and care little about how it is achieved. With regard to your questions, it is really not a trawl to establish Andre's many discretions because as soon as the exit door is ajar, those who feel particularly aggrieved are happy to circulate the stories to those at the new club, to expand the ill feeling. I am also aware of the work he has done with his partner to correct many of his irresponsible communications. But in the same way that many say forgive and forget, that is a line drawing whereby we all have different tolerances. Just like Marc above, I am not offering a personal view of what is right or wrong, just observing that for some it is impossible to give a second chance - and hence the timing of the Tweet, to cause maximum effect. I am quite sure that the club are well aware of Gray's past and were happy to proceed. But not happy to retain Kane - another line drawing. Most of Gray's discretions were a long time ago, however, his disregard for Covid lockdown rules (throwing a party) does not get excused by the passing of time though. So fair play to Marc for drawing attention to the ill feeling - we can all make up our own minds about him and see how he behaves going forward. But I doubt he will have the tolerance of many should he fall short once again - not just those mentioned by Lone.
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Post by corndog on Sept 1, 2021 17:59:01 GMT
I wonder if QPR are paying his full wages? Either way, my main concern is that he doesn't disrupt the clubhouse. He should be an effective enough player, especially since he will probably be the third striker.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 3, 2021 10:36:35 GMT
Marc, my answer is "NO". But it does seem Hetrosexual White males are allowed to cop crap from every direction and are expected to suck it up. As pointed out, someone trolled back some time to find that twitter. I don't agree with his comments but really? 9 Years ago? A lot can happen in a persons life that would or could change their opinion/s. I say, give the guy a break and see how he turns out. I hope he scores some goals and that is all I ask from him.
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Post by Marc on Sept 3, 2021 12:12:49 GMT
Marc, my answer is "NO". But it does seem Hetrosexual White males are allowed to cop crap from every direction and are expected to suck it up. Can you give me an example of this?
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