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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 2, 2020 15:11:24 GMT
It is a completely open race at the moment. The Wigan administrator referred to another championship club on the brink. The Sheffield Wednesday outcome re FFP is due at any time. Could it be that we have gone to all this hassle to get the Championship going again and yet the 3 clubs relegated could all be as a result of penalty points deducted? Unlikely, but these are weird times!
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Post by londonranger on Jul 2, 2020 15:53:22 GMT
How about us Ricky? do we stand a chance?
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Post by harr on Jul 2, 2020 18:32:38 GMT
Stoke v Barnsley Saturday , that is a bit of a battle.
Is Wigan official they are basically on 38 points then, so really we are 9 clear not 7 ?
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jul 2, 2020 19:05:04 GMT
With Huddersfield winning Yesterday Hull today Ive become twitchy for us again thought 51 would do now believe 53 is needed. I Agree its all going to be decided on penalty points. You have Luton V Reading Saturday as well as Stoke Barnsley. Its just to tight to call just when you say so and so are in freefall they win.... So if someone would like to say we are in freefall that might help.
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Post by terryb on Jul 2, 2020 19:06:31 GMT
Stoke v Barnsley Saturday , that is a bit of a battle. Is Wigan official they are basically on 38 points then, so really we are 9 clear not 7 ? Yes it's official, although the deduction will be next season id they were to finish in the bottom three without the deduction. Having watched a little of the game tonight, M'boro might be made to look like world beaters on Sundasy but they were woeful today. So were Hull!
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Post by harr on Jul 2, 2020 19:22:33 GMT
Thank you very much Terry. I think we will be fine with the 9 points gap. Maybe if it was 7 points and if Stoke beat Barnsley and we lost to Boro, would start to get a bit concerned. I Do feel sorry for the Wigan supporters, maybe they can still get out of it if they can keep the momentum of the last three matches.
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Post by terryb on Jul 4, 2020 8:43:46 GMT
I hate to say it but thank you Millwall for that late goal at Charlton. On my way to wash my mouth out now. Hopes for today. Brentford to put 3 or 4 past Wigan who would drop below us on goal difference. Fulham beat Brum to keep them below us. Reading win at Luton which would put them ahead of us (for today) but kill off Luton's chances. Stoke and Barnsley draw - better both get 1 point than either getting 3, and Preston get back to form and beat Huddersfield. Not too much to ask for is it? Then of course we will have a game in hand so a win at Boro on Sunday would be brilliant despite my forecast of 0-0 - I'll take the points over the prediction league anytime I wouldn't invest as much as a penny on Reading winning at Luton!
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Post by terryb on Jul 4, 2020 15:24:29 GMT
I hate to say it but thank you Millwall for that late goal at Charlton. On my way to wash my mouth out now. Hopes for today. Brentford to put 3 or 4 past Wigan who would drop below us on goal difference. Fulham beat Brum to keep them below us. Reading win at Luton which would put them ahead of us (for today) but kill off Luton's chances. Stoke and Barnsley draw - better both get 1 point than either getting 3, and Preston get back to form and beat Huddersfield. Not too much to ask for is it? Then of course we will have a game in hand so a win at Boro on Sunday would be brilliant despite my forecast of 0-0 - I'll take the points over the prediction league anytime I wouldn't invest as much as a penny on Reading winning at Luton! That's how you make sure the bottom teams lose. Just the five for Reading at the moment!
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Post by terryb on Jul 4, 2020 15:53:13 GMT
Heavy defeats for Luton, Barsley & Wigan today.
I don't know who it is, but Wigan have also had someone sent off & they will miss the match against us.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 4, 2020 16:19:46 GMT
Is your glass half full or half empty? Half Empty - If we lose tomorrow and Hull get a point in their game we will only be 4 points clear of relegation - that is if the Wigan penalty is overturned.
Half Full - The Wigan 12 point deduction means we are 9 point clear with 6 games to play!
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Post by harr on Jul 4, 2020 17:03:22 GMT
Let’s just beat Boro Tomorrow then we will be 9 points in front of three even if Wigan get to stay. 9 points with 5 games to go would then be fine enough. Whatever we do, don’t lose, will take the point for sure.
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Post by bowranger on Jul 4, 2020 21:21:45 GMT
Almost taking us out the equation, I'm mostly half full on the basis that I don't think the teams below us have enough about them to see us finish the season in the bottom three. I'll at least take some of the minor positives of the Fulham performance compared to the previous two and hope we can ride out the season with some better results and get back on it.
My half empty would be being gutted to see us ride the season out looking disinterested, without intensity. These games are less of a spectacle already without us putting a dampener on what was shaping up to be a decent season, relegation worries or not.
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Post by sharky on Jul 8, 2020 3:29:30 GMT
Not us thank goodness!
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Post by Marc on Jul 10, 2020 20:42:54 GMT
A good win for Luton at Huddersfield this evening, good result for us as well.
Can't remember it being this tight at the bottom with 3/4 games to go, could be any 3 from the current bottom 8. If any of the bottom 3 can win a couple of their remaining games, it could pull any of the other 5 into the mire.
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Post by terryb on Jul 13, 2020 14:49:48 GMT
I really hope our season will be over before we even kick off against Luton tomorrow. Apart from the fact I cannot see how we are going to score another goal this season there is a 6-00pm kick off to watch - Wigan at home to Hull. For once I will be supporting Wigan - a win for them will mean Hull will not be able to catch us and make us safe unless Luton win all their games and make up 20 goals. Additionally I think the way Wigan have been treated by the EFL recently is disgusting (admittedly without anyone knowing all the facts) so another win for them will put them on the verge of nullifying their 12 point deduction, hopefully keep them in the Championship and prevent them going down the same path as Bolton or Bury. Luton also have to play Hull, so only one of those clubs can reach 53 points.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 13, 2020 15:07:36 GMT
I really hope our season will be over before we even kick off against Luton tomorrow. Apart from the fact I cannot see how we are going to score another goal this season there is a 6-00pm kick off to watch - Wigan at home to Hull. For once I will be supporting Wigan - a win for them will mean Hull will not be able to catch us and make us safe unless Luton win all their games and make up 20 goals. Additionally I think the way Wigan have been treated by the EFL recently is disgusting (admittedly without anyone knowing all the facts) so another win for them will put them on the verge of nullifying their 12 point deduction, hopefully keep them in the Championship and prevent them going down the same path as Bolton or Bury. Dread to think what our energy levels will be once mathematically safe!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 13, 2020 15:49:48 GMT
We CAN'T go down, surely!!?? It would need an incredible permutation of results... ...mind you, they said Trump could never be elected President
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Post by terryb on Jul 13, 2020 16:18:44 GMT
No we can't go down UNLESS the following happened:-
1) Wigan don't get a 12 point deduction. If this happens a minimum of three clubs can't reach 53 points as of now. Personally, I can't see anyway that Wigan won't be deducted the points (and the EFL have not uttered one word that they won't)
However, if that was to happen the following would be required:- 2) Luton win all three matches & improve their goal difference on us by 20 goals. I don't rate this as impossible! This would also mean that Hull joined Barnsley in not being able to reach 53 points 3) If Hull beat Luton the club from Bedfordshire can't reach us. Hull would then need to win away games at Wigan & Cardiff, both of which need points. 4) If these two happened Charlton would have to take 7 points form theie three games which includes a last day visit to Leeds as well as playing a Wigan side that can't afford to lose. 5) Huddersfield would then need 6 points from three matches which include at home to WBA & away to Millwall & Wednesday. 6) 'boro would then need 6 points from games against Cardiff, Reading & Wednesday
I do expect there to be an investigation into Wigan being placed into administration, but surely that would be to determine if there had been illegal activity & would not alter that they are in administration automatically incurring the deduction. Furthermore, if they fail to come out of administration before the start of next season or agree a CVA that pays less than 25p in the £ to their creditors, they will be given a 15 point deduction for next season.
This happened to Leeds United for the 2007/08 season.
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Post by Marc on Jul 14, 2020 17:42:00 GMT
Wigan 3-0 up v Hull after 32 minutes. Reading 1-0 up v Boro after same.
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Post by Marc on Jul 14, 2020 17:42:56 GMT
Make that Wigan 4-0 after 37'
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Post by bowranger on Jul 15, 2020 7:59:50 GMT
I'd be absolutely fine with the bottom three staying as it is. Have no qualms with Barnsley but happy to see Luton and Hull flushed back down to be honest.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 15, 2020 8:13:57 GMT
The Wigan Hull game is a great example of how things off the pitch can impact on the pitch. Wigan, cruelly damaged by their new owners decide to bond and fight. Hull cruelly damaged by their owners over years think 'what is the point?' If the Wigan debacle was all about a betting scandal based around relegation, how great would it be if Wigan survive on performance not appeal!
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Post by harr on Jul 15, 2020 13:18:15 GMT
Hoping we lose to WBA then
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Post by Marc on Jul 17, 2020 20:44:56 GMT
With Huddersfield winning this evening, it's looking like it's down to any 3 from Charlton, Hull, Luton & Barnsley. Wigan are effectively on 45 points but I expect them to get enough from their last 2 games to survive. Barnsley, I think are gone. Hull v Luton and Charlton v Wigan are massive games tomorrow.
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Post by harr on Jul 17, 2020 21:15:58 GMT
I think Wigan deserve to stay up for recent performances when the chips were down. A lot of teams would of crumbled but theY have excelled as a group. Hope they stay up, not worried who goes really, just very relieved it’s not us again.
Just want to beat the rabble tomorrow and not bothered about the last game, think Brentford are finishing second anyway now.
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Post by Marc on Jul 18, 2020 16:08:35 GMT
Hoping Barnsley manage to pull off a win against Forest tomorrow so that all 3 relegation places are decided on Wednesday.
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Post by Marc on Jul 19, 2020 16:08:02 GMT
Incredible 94th minute winner for Barnsley v Forest keeps them up for now.
Wednesday's fixtures:
Brentford v Barnsley Cardiff v Hull Leeds v Charlton Luton v Blackburn Wigan v Fulham
Can't really see Hull getting out of it but stranger things have happened.
If you add WBA v QPR to that list, that makes for a hell of a last day. I can see promotion & relegation places changing hands many times over the course of the evening.
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Post by bowranger on Jul 19, 2020 17:57:43 GMT
Incredible 94th minute winner for Barnsley v Forest keeps them up for now. Wednesday's fixtures: Brentford v Barnsley Cardiff v Hull Leeds v Charlton Luton v Blackburn Wigan v Fulham Can't really see Hull getting out of it but stranger things have happened. If you add WBA v QPR to that list, that makes for a hell of a last day. I can see promotion & relegation places changing hands many times over the course of the evening. After a truly weird and mostly bleak end to the season, Saturdays result and now this, means that at least we are in for a hell of a finale.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 19, 2020 18:17:00 GMT
Last day of the season on Wednesday and not ONE relegation place settled. First time ever - I can’t remember anything like it before?
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 20, 2020 10:31:01 GMT
Yes, quite bizarre 75. And sadly, so ****ing typical of the numptie footballing authorities to drag it out - they don't have a clue.
Mathematically, on games played, these six clubs can all potentially go down:
Middlesbrough 50 Birmingham 50 Charlton 48 -------------------- Luton 48 Barnsley 46 Hull 45
With a 12pt deduction, Wigan would be on 46pts, above Barnsley on goal difference.
Sheffield Wednesday are also potentially in the poop - as one Championship club chairman said:
“If Birmingham City got nine points for a marginal breach, Sheffield Wednesday must get at least 12 points.”
A 9pt deduction for Wednesday would put them on 45 points, just above Hull on goal difference. A 12pt deduction would see them relegated.
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