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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 16, 2020 8:13:03 GMT
He really loses it and he will pay a hefty price. They all know the consequences and yet some cannot resist the provocation.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Sept 16, 2020 8:21:13 GMT
...the fan was saying stuff like I hope your wife miscarries. No excuse for what he did though. Have to say I'd be pretty riled by that. Leistner called the guy out and gave him a pretty tame push, when he deserved a lot worse. Why should players be subject to such vile abuse?
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Post by harr on Sept 16, 2020 8:31:48 GMT
...the fan was saying stuff like I hope your wife miscarries. No excuse for what he did though. Have to say I'd be pretty riled by that. Leistner called the guy out and gave him a pretty tame push, when he deserved a lot worse. Why should players be subject to such vile abuse? Yeah your right It is very vile abuse but at the end of the day footballers are supposed to be role models for kids etc. So I still say he has to try and restrain himself or take himself away from the situation. Like you, I would have been very riled though Fans get away saying way to much imo, a bit like some keyboard warriors giving our players vile abuse. Show some respect please.
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Post by egranger on Sept 16, 2020 9:35:21 GMT
What were the security guards doing during all this? They appear as useful as the ones at Loftus Road
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Post by sharky on Sept 16, 2020 10:25:38 GMT
Apology from the BFG from the42 www.the42.ie/toni-leistner-clash-fan-stands-5205265-Sep2020/Former QPR defender apologises after climbing into stand to confront fanToni Leistner clashed with a Dynamo Dresden fan after last night’s cup defeat. 20 hours ago 6,450 Views Source: Nick 19/YouTube youtu.be/0Jz3OiSfmpY HAMBURG’S TONI LEISTNER has issued an apology after climbing into the stands last night to confront a rival fan. Hamburg lost 4-1 in the first round of the DFB Pokal to Dynamo Dresden, Leistner’s hometown club where he spent four seasons. The defender — who joined Hamburg after leaving Queen’s Park Rangers last month — clashed with a Dresden fan in the stands after the final whistle. “I received massive insults from the stand in my hometown after the game,” Leistner wrote in a statement posted to Instagram last night. “I can usually handle that. But then it went extremely and massively below the belt against my family, my wife and my daughter. “At that moment my fuse blew, especially as this was already an extremely emotional game for me. “Something like this should never happen. I am a family man who wants to be a role model. I apologise completely for my behaviour and can only promise that – no matter what insults are thrown at me – something like this will never happen again.”
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Post by spanishal on Sept 16, 2020 13:38:56 GMT
Don’t see he has anything to apologise for. Family comes before football, nobody can be expected to tolerate such vile abuse, that so called fan should have been charged with a hate crime and deserved decking not just a push. Hopefully Tony will only get a slap on the wrist himself for this from the relevant authorities.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 16, 2020 16:00:05 GMT
A real head and heart thing. Fundamentally you can't do that - or at least, as far as the Bundesliga goes, you can't not punish it because they have to protect the rudimentary law that players cannot enter the stands and kick off with people. You ignore it and you set a new precedent. That's the head.
Heart, I think the fan got off lightly and I couldn't honestly have a problem with Leistner confronting the guy if they said anything close to what is rumoured. There is big mitigation there. Footballers all take stick but they are human beings at the end of the day. They snap, like anyone else.
Ideally it's a slap on the wrist - few games banned. And ideally, the fan is identified and given a ban too. Judging by Dresden's response, they may handle that themselves.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 17, 2020 22:18:16 GMT
What were the security guards doing during all this? They appear as useful as the ones at Loftus Road They were the ones from QPR
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Post by surreychad on Sept 18, 2020 15:22:25 GMT
A real head and heart thing. Fundamentally you can't do that - or at least, as far as the Bundesliga goes, you can't not punish it because they have to protect the rudimentary law that players cannot enter the stands and kick off with people. You ignore it and you set a new precedent. That's the head. Heart, I think the fan got off lightly and I couldn't honestly have a problem with Leistner confronting the guy if they said anything close to what is rumoured. There is big mitigation there. Footballers all take stick but they are human beings at the end of the day. They snap, like anyone else. Ideally it's a slap on the wrist - few games banned. And ideally, the fan is identified and given a ban too. Judging by Dresden's response, they may handle that themselves. Yeah - 2 game ban for BFG, life ban for the "supporter" and fine for the home club (or play 2 games behind closed doors) for not controlling the crowd I don't disagree with the 2 game ban of the life ban, but is it fair on the club, how do they control one idiot? why didnt the TV crew get a fine for holding interviews with an away team player near the home fans?
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Post by bardsley on Sept 18, 2020 21:20:57 GMT
Don’t see he has anything to apologise for. Family comes before football, nobody can be expected to tolerate such vile abuse, that so called fan should have been charged with a hate crime and deserved decking not just a push. Hopefully Tony will only get a slap on the wrist himself for this from the relevant authorities. Exactly. It is really strange what we are expecting from these "role models" nowadays... Superman could be quite close, but.. eeh.. maybe not just enough anyway, me thinks.
Hypocrasy might can disastrous and should be avoided.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 19, 2020 9:02:54 GMT
Yeah - 2 game ban for BFG, life ban for the "supporter" and fine for the home club (or play 2 games behind closed doors) for not controlling the crowd I don't disagree with the 2 game ban of the life ban, but is it fair on the club, how do they control one idiot? why didnt the TV crew get a fine for holding interviews with an away team player near the home fans? I think club fines for stuff like that is fairly run of the mill, no? The club can't control the behaviour of one fan but as with any fines like that, it's about making a link between fan behaviour and club punishment as a deterrent. I think it happened to both us and Millwall for crowd behavior when we met 10 years back - it's supposed to be a financial way of forcing clubs to re-address stewarding and security. Not always fairly dished out but I get it. On the TV crew thing, don't agree on that. As a TV company, think you can reasonably have a pitch-side interview without assuming a fan and a player are going to have a physical confrontation.
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Post by surreychad on Sept 19, 2020 16:57:12 GMT
I don't disagree with the 2 game ban of the life ban, but is it fair on the club, how do they control one idiot? why didnt the TV crew get a fine for holding interviews with an away team player near the home fans?With all due respect - bullshit. OK I will bite. I respect your right to reply, but think it could be put better perhaps with a response as to why you feel its "bullshit". I stand by my comment, someone chose to have that interview in that place, was it the club,? the station?, it invoked a response. Every decision is made rightly or wrongly, someone may have made a poor error of judgement so why not get punished for it?
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Post by bowranger on Sept 19, 2020 18:51:04 GMT
I think saying it could invoke a response is maybe fair, though I would say that they probably couldn't have reasonably mitigated for how mad it turned out. If there's a post-match interview near opposition fans you could imagine some boos or people taking the mick for the cameras (happens semi-often on Sky, positive and negative, crowd baiting the pundit, pulling faces or whatever). There's a minimal bit of risk involved, sure.
But I wouldn't put this at their door - both what the guy in the crowd allegedly said and how Leistner reacted were both pretty exceptional right?
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Post by surreychad on Sept 19, 2020 19:36:43 GMT
I think saying it could invoke a response is maybe fair, though I would say that they probably couldn't have reasonably mitigated for how mad it turned out. If there's a post-match interview near opposition fans you could imagine some boos or people taking the mick for the cameras (happens semi-often on Sky, positive and negative, crowd baiting the pundit, pulling faces or whatever). There's a minimal bit of risk involved, sure. But I wouldn't put this at their door - both what the guy in the crowd allegedly said and how Leistner reacted were both pretty exceptional right? I'll take that as a fair a reasoned response and I don't disagree or think it as Bullshit as 75 eloquently posted. Exceptional, I am not sure, i hope that the the level of abuse is exceptional but its only a couple of month ago that we saw Eric Dier was getting in to the stands due to other idiots. (No TV crews t this time ) My original point, is that the idiot that couldn't be controlled, was invoked and incited a response from Leinster did so as there are more at fault than the club and Leinster. If you are going to attribute blame it should be to all that played a part not a limited a few. I will bow that there is a chance that the club told the TV station where they can hold interviews I guess we wont ever know. It was just my view.
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Post by surreychad on Sept 23, 2020 14:27:25 GMT
Great post 75, no offence taken. Its what a good message board is all about, everyone's view and comments are valid
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