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Post by rickyqpr on Oct 12, 2019 13:15:48 GMT
Plenty of speculation that Southampton are interested in signing Manning in the next window. West London Sport also reporting the interest. He, Eze and Chair have been the major youth successes this season and it would be a shame to lose any of them. The price quoted seems to be between £2m and £3m. Today, it seems Newcastle are also interested. I guess we have to expect to lose at least one player of value every window to keep with the strategy. Just hope that we do not lose more than one player in January. Wells seems to want to join QPR. Wonder if the club would be prepared to release Manning to sign Wells? I would think the price would be circa £3m. As for Jordan Hugill, him leaving in January will probably be down to the fine detail in the loan arrangement. West Ham do not have a recall clause, but presumably can sell the player from under us. Then it would depend on if the purchasing club honored the year long loan deal. But if a top tier club buys Hugill then no doubt the player will want to join them asap. Hugill believes he is a Prem player, not a Championship player. West Ham do not seem to want him back, they are funding a large proportion of his wages and would appreciate a transfer fee. A cynic may say that our club knows it needs funds for a striker in January and so have put Manning in the shop window for the same asking price. Although Manning is in his last year of his contract, the club hold a one year extension that can be triggered. If the money for McKenna is still ring fenced for January, then a successful bid for him would probably see Barbet and Wallace battle for the left back position for the remainder of the season. As ever, I know nothing, just adding 2 and 2 together and getting January!
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Post by terryb on Oct 12, 2019 14:20:05 GMT
I get the impression that we no longer have to accept the first price that we are offered.
If that is the case I think that Manning may reach twice the valuation that is being quoted. Not that I want him to depart in January!
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Post by rangersman on Oct 12, 2019 14:52:46 GMT
Would be a big mistake to let him go, he is a great player and getting better all the time. I am sick of us selling players when they should be staying with us if they want to. If he wanted to go thats different, but would be a stupid move, and costly.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 12, 2019 16:49:14 GMT
We appear to refuse first offers but accept the second lower offer. The QPR way.
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Post by eusebio13 on Oct 13, 2019 12:29:59 GMT
I get the impression that we no longer have to accept the first price that we are offered. If that is the case I think that Manning may reach twice the valuation that is being quoted. Not that I want him to depart in January! I agree we no longer need to take first offer. Firstly, Manning has an extension clause, so his contract is really until 2021, secondly, we've banked our money for this season in terms of making up shortfall with wages reduced & money from Furlong/Freeman/Smith, thirdly, there are several clubs seemingly interested so a bidding war is more likely. I would say, that as much as it will make me cry, if we get a good (£4m+) offer for Manning we need to take it. We are still a selling club, we have a leftback the manager likes who's not kicked a ball yet and another playing well on loan. Love Manning but if it buys us another season of Eze & Chair I can live with him going
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Post by sharky on Oct 13, 2019 20:15:25 GMT
Seems link Groundhog Day. Heard all this about Luongo (who kept Manning out of our starting line up). Then Luongo's price went down and we had to force him out a year from his contract ending.
Let's just wait and see how he's going in January and which, if any, clubs are interested in him and at what price then.
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Post by surreychad on Oct 14, 2019 10:12:58 GMT
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Post by bowranger on Oct 14, 2019 21:14:03 GMT
I get the impression that we no longer have to accept the first price that we are offered. If that is the case I think that Manning may reach twice the valuation that is being quoted. Not that I want him to depart in January! I agree we no longer need to take first offer. Firstly, Manning has an extension clause, so his contract is really until 2021, secondly, we've banked our money for this season in terms of making up shortfall with wages reduced & money from Furlong/Freeman/Smith, thirdly, there are several clubs seemingly interested so a bidding war is more likely. I would say, that as much as it will make me cry, if we get a good (£4m+) offer for Manning we need to take it. We are still a selling club, we have a leftback the manager likes who's not kicked a ball yet and another playing well on loan. Love Manning but if it buys us another season of Eze & Chair I can live with him going I think the annoying thing with our financial situation that I forget a lot of the time is that there's still a big difference between creating enough breathing room to avoid getting done again by FFP and actually being sustainable. Stated aim at the club is the latter, so the kind of business we did this summer is more likely to be the start of the norm. We still lose money just standing still and we plug the gaps by developing our own/buying cheap and selling for profit. So we might be at a point where the summer business means we are on track to not breach the 30+ million quid losses across three seasons at the next assessment, but it still has to happen year after year. It's pretty rough, I'd absolutely hate Manning to go but I can't see us saying no if a bid for a few million comes in. I guess the rub is being able to temper clubs knowing we have to sell by... 1) Having players so good that they attract multiple bidders. 2) Having multiple good players that attract interest to the extent we don't have to sell everyone who gets offers. It basically needs to be like a conveyor belt. Plus side is that this is the first time in ages where we have multiple players who we either bought cheap or are homegrown who other clubs actually want.
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Post by rickyqpr on Oct 15, 2019 20:27:09 GMT
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Oct 16, 2019 7:39:44 GMT
Could a deal be done with the hammers letting Hugill go the other way or would his wages mean a non starter?
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Post by rickyqpr on Oct 16, 2019 9:53:16 GMT
Could a deal be done with the hammers letting Hugill go the other way or would his wages mean a non starter? IMHO, Hugills wages will be a problem for any acquiring club. He is supposed to be on circa £35k per week. We are paying less than half and yet he is probably the most expensive player on our books. He is totally unproven in the top tier but seems ok at Championship level - although he does miss some sitters. I think that those misses will deter Prem clubs from paying his current full wages and a transfer fee. With FFP, Championship clubs cannot afford his full wages either. After all, if West Ham thought they could recoup a fee and save his wages, he would never had joined us in the Summer. Now he has scored a few goals, West Ham are trying to be opportunist. They clearly do not see a future for him in East London. But unless Hugill is prepared to drop his wage expectation, and /or accept he is unlikely to be a first choice striker in the Prem, then he is destined to remain an on loan Championship player with no recall clause in January. Playing for QPR and scoring goals while earning £35k per week, is probably the most he he can hope for - and the most Hammers are likely to get. But time will tell. Relegation threatened clubs have been known to panic for a striker.
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Oct 16, 2019 10:06:50 GMT
I agree and also think they’d be getting a better deal but strikers come with a premium and if a deal could be done with Nahki joining on a free next summer that’s our frontline sorted! ..
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Post by egranger on Oct 16, 2019 13:13:19 GMT
Lets not forget Manning was not first choice left back at start of the season and if Lee Wallace had been fit there is a chance we would not have seen Manning at left back.
One thing is for sure, he has made Bidwell look pedestrian.
We are a selling club so if the rumours are true then we must be prepared to see him go in January or perhaps the summer if his good form continues.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 16, 2019 16:01:45 GMT
Lets not forget Manning was not first choice left back at start of the season and if Lee Wallace had been fit there is a chance we would not have seen Manning at left back. One thing is for sure, he has made Bidwell look pedestrian. We are a selling club so if the rumours are true then we must be prepared to see him go in January or perhaps the summer if his good form continues. And to build on that first bit, it wasn't that long ago that I used to think it was actually a bit of a shame that when Manning did get a chance, that it was at full back rather than in midfield. He'd done well both as an aggressive CDM or further up in cameos under Holloway e.g. Reading away a while back with that amazing through ball, playing behind the striker. Could always do a job at full back but he's absolutely excelled at it this season.
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Post by nomar on Oct 19, 2019 7:39:45 GMT
I very much doubt that any Prem teams would seriously make offers for any of our players in January.
If Norwich could hold on to players like Buendia and Pukki all through last season then I don’t see either Manning or Eze being higher on a Premier League teams radar than those two would have been last year.
If they continue performing at their current level all season (big IF) and we don’t make the playoffs then I could see real interest in those two in the summer. But if I was a Prem manager/DoF I’d want to see a seasons worth out of them first before making an offer and asking them to step up to the Premier League.
Look at Luke Freeman as an example. Tears up the Championship, goes to Sheffield Utd and can’t even start for them in the Prem.
They can both earn a living in the Prem if they keep playing and improving their game. Their time will come, but it may not be just yet.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 19, 2019 9:34:08 GMT
Yeah, I agree that summer seems more likely. Though Norwich had the bargaining position of being in second come January of this year, so they at least were able to say, with their contracts, that if the likes of Pukki stay a little longer they'd be likely playing in the Prem next season anyway (along with any wage bumps and bonuses that likely come along with that). With a promotion on their CV to boot.
I'd imagine that the fees needed to dislodge the likes of Eze or Manning or any of our lot wouldn't be a huge stumbling block to a Prem team whether it's in January or summer, really. Would seem more attractive all round for them to have another full season of first team football under their belts.
On that basis, I'd guess the messaging from inside the club to our players is that they're wanted here and they'll be first team players here. Give us 100%, raise your profile and if an offer comes up that we're obliged to consider, we won't stand in their way.
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