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Post by bowranger on Aug 24, 2019 16:58:09 GMT
It's too sunny out to post much but a very ropey start turned into a very decent performance in the end.
Hugill's superb goal (from an impeccable Eze through ball) and his miss from about 2 yards sums him up - but seemed smart of Warburton to pop him on when he did. In the lead, tails up, Wigan looked rattled - good opportunity to put some confidence in him.
Thought the Eze free kick should have been a pen but ref/assistant bottled it, not that it mattered.
Great feeling in the ground. Onwards n upwards, uuuu Rsss.
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Post by Marc on Aug 24, 2019 17:01:04 GMT
Was watching the Challenge Cup Final and following the QPR game on twitter, rather wish it was the other way round!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 24, 2019 17:21:22 GMT
Nice comment on one report: "In the first half QPR played like panel beaters, in the second they played like world beaters". Could/should have been 4 - just HOW did we sky it over the bar from a yard out!!?? Still, not complaining at 3-1
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Post by Marc on Aug 24, 2019 18:19:18 GMT
So, has anyone pointed out that the 3 teams we've taken points from are the 3 teams at the bottom of the table?
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Post by surreychad on Aug 24, 2019 18:26:15 GMT
we were poor first half, we couldn't simply couldn't pass. Bringing on BFG and pushing Hall up to cover the back 4 turned us in a different team. We looked defeisvely sold, played tha ball out a lot easier. Only 1 winner in the second half, we should have scored 5!
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Post by terryb on Aug 24, 2019 18:41:15 GMT
We played better & lost on Wednesday!
We were dire in the first half, but a lot improved after the break. Mind you, Marshall presenting us with the equaliser probably helped! I do enjoy watching us when we stroke the balll about.
The move for the Hugill miss was very good & it took a hell of an effort for Jordan to clear the bar from that distance! We then had THAT pass fron Eze. Sublime!
I am convinced we won't have FFP problems next season. Ryan Manning, Ilias Chair & Ebere Eze have solved that problem! I don't want them to leave us & certainly not for less than our valuation, but will we be abl;e to keep hold of them next summer? I would hope for nearer to £20 million between them rather than £15 million.
Proper footballers & they are ours!
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 24, 2019 19:04:39 GMT
Yep, agree with the above, poor first half as the opening goal knocked the stuffing out of us. Second half all QPR. Similar to Wednesday, but the goals went in today, on Wednesday they did not. The Wells goal was as fortunate as their goal in that it went through a crowd of players with the keeper unsighted. The Eze goal was just superb - what a talent, but it should have been a penalty not a free kick - how did the officials get that so wrong? Hugill's goal line miss was stupendous - he is a very odd player, the goal he scored was a tight angle, the two he missed looked easier. But Wigan hit the bar when one up - it could so easily been a repeat of Swansea. But we were very good in the second half and made Wigan look very poor. For me, Chair was man of the match, just ahead of Eze. 90 minutes of that heat and he was still running like a greyhound at the end - another great talent.
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Post by terryb on Aug 24, 2019 20:07:15 GMT
So, has anyone pointed out that the 3 teams we've taken points from are the 3 teams at the bottom of the table? And it takes a team in the top four to beat us!
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Post by Roller on Aug 24, 2019 21:04:31 GMT
A game of two halves may be a cliché, but it was never truer than today. In the first half Rangers were dismal which was such a disappointment after Wednesday’s great display. They couldn’t string two passes together, showed no appetite for the match and collectively fell asleep to allow Wigan to steal a goal. A change of formation and the removal of Scowen had the desired effect after the break. Poor Josh is going to become a casualty to Warburton’s revolution at QPR as he doesn’t have enough in his game to warrant a place in the team or even on the bench. It is a shame for a player who looked so good for us alongside Luongo and just behind Freeman in Holloway’s team, but he simply does not warrant a place in the team anymore.
There was so much to enjoy in the second half that I can’t begin to document it all, so I’ll restrict myself to a couple of points. Eze has added both consistency and simplicity to his game. He rarely over-plays any situation these days and is far better for it. While he doesn’t look quick, once he is in front of a player they can’t get back to tackle him, his decision making has improved immeasurably and his tracking back is far better than anyone could expect from a player with his talent.
The other is Ilias Chair. What a stunning footballer he is. His non stop movement is a joy to watch, his use of the ball, appreciation of space and vision is fabulous. I’ve been waiting for a player to take Ale Faurlin’s place in my heart, and here he is. He deserves to play in the Premier League, I can only hope it is with us.
Perhaps the biggest plus point today was that Warburton, in a total contradiction to common belief, does have a plan B. At half time we swapped from his preferred 4-2-3-1 to a 3-5-2 formation which produced the result for us. So much for performing plan A better.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 24, 2019 21:28:50 GMT
It was a really interesting game. I have some similar views to others but some small differences in how I saw it as well.
For a start, Wigan were workmanlike. Direct and effective in the 1st half but our passing ran them around in the 2nd half and they looked exhausted and frustrated that they couldn’t get the ball of us. Overall, they were not strong opposition.
We weren’t that bad in the first half but our failure to defend the corner must have had them thinking they’d blown it straight away. After that, only when Wigan hit the woodwork (I thought it was the post and not the bar but I was at the other end) did they threaten. We still dominated possession and kept passing. The problem was that the little things did not come off and the ref didn’t give some obvious decisions our way. Ref booked Chair for diving which was ridiculous and that was just after missing a Wigan handball which should have been a penalty. Eze was good but one thing in the 1st half really told me that still has a lot to learn. He was in a tussle on the half way line and pulled the player back by the shirt. It was particularly stupid as there was plenty of cover and the guy was going nowhere. Conceding the free kick gave us another set piece to defend and we were struggling with them. I loved watching Wells run fully 20 yards to dispossess the left back. Proper caught him napping. Nothing came of it but the tenacity to do it was superb.
Toni coming on and the reshuffle made a big difference with his physical prescience. I saw Toni playing out of defense on the floor and passing accurately so I think he would have pleased Warburton today. We kept our composure and passed the ball so fluidly Wigan were overrun. They even got their handbags out at one point. There was one move where we must have made 20 short passes (winning a couple 50/50 ones along the way) before shooting wide. It was really top play.
It also helped that the Ref got more decisions right in the 2nd half.
Patience and good tactical decisions won out today. Well done to manager and players.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 25, 2019 9:30:56 GMT
Loads of great analysis here.
I really hope that the second half performance is instructive for our lot - mentally, it probably does do players the world of good to see just how stark the difference can be when things click. It's a new pattern and style of play to adjust to, but having it done poorly and then so well across 90 minutes hopefully builds faith and belief in what Warburton is trying to instill.
It's instructive too in terms of who works where and adjusting on the fly. Like blatant said, that switch to something closer to a 3-5-2 made a big difference. Very similar style of play but a change in shape and personnel. At this early stage in the season, we'll still be figuring out what our optimal starting line-up and shape is, even if the principles of how we play stay the same - such a Jekyll n Hyde first and second half performance will inform that too.
My early thoughts seem to be that this season won't be boring. I can see more frustrating games like Swansea where we dominate but don't convert and have games robbed from under our noses but also, for the first time in a long while, I can see us absolutely humping a couple of teams this season too. As others have said, we could have had five in the second half. Just goes to show why, even ignoring how broken the economics of football are, proven Championship goal scorers cost an astronomical amount of cash. I quite like Hugill but he is so weird. That miss gets more baffling the more I see it. Meanwhile, he finishes immaculately from an absurdly acute angle for our third - I never saw it coming at the time and judging by the replay, hardly anyone else did either. Listen to the ground when Eze pops that delicious ball through - that ain't the roar of a crowd who's seen a striker go in one-on-one.
Others have mentioned it but god, regardless of how it all goes, it is an absolute f*cking joy watching Eze and Chair play together. They clearly love how eachother works and Chair tirelessly looking for gaps and his manic zooming is just so relentlessly positive. They'll both have peake and troughs, they'll both tire eventually, but it is so good having players like that who light up the field. And they're ours.
Still don't know where we will end up and I'm intrigued to see how we are shaping up 10 games in. But it is at least exciting.
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Post by surreychad on Aug 25, 2019 14:46:09 GMT
Forgot to mention the atmosphere at the ground yesterday was the best it's been for along time, singing from all stands and all positive (there was a few boos at half time from a small section of the crowd which I thought wasn't justified)
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