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Post by Marc on May 6, 2018 9:34:26 GMT
Looks like a fair bit of conjecture to me
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Post by sharky on May 6, 2018 14:27:18 GMT
From WLS www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/leeds-united-v-qpr-championship-report-060518QPR lose at Leeds in what could be Holloway’s final gameBy Adam Borysiuk 06/05/2018 Leeds 2 QPR 0 QPR were beaten in what could prove to be Ian Holloway’s final match at the helm. The Rangers hierarchy are considering a change of manager despite a solid season, which ended in defeat at Elland Road. |
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Post by nomar on May 6, 2018 15:22:29 GMT
I expect he’ll be gone and they’ll bring McLaren in as it seems to be who TF wants.
Frying pan, fire.
At least bring in a young manager with modern approach to the game not another effing managerial dinosaur. May as well go for Pardew while we’re at it.
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Post by Roller on May 6, 2018 16:23:53 GMT
www.football.london/queens-park-rangers-fc/ian-holloway-qpr-leeds-future-14622871.amp?__twitter_impression=trueIan Holloway commits his future to QPR after rumours that he would quit following Leeds clashSpeaking after QPR's 2-0 defeat to Leeds at Elland Road, Ollie didn't only call the rumours nonsense, but said he'd be open to extending his stay at the club. Ian Holloway has spoken out to silence speculation that he's set to leave QPR following the end of the Championship season. The Hoops boss has divided opinion among the QPR fans, and after his mother passed away a few weeks ago, it was claimed he was set to quit in order to spend more time with his family. But speaking after QPR's 2-0 defeat to Leeds at Elland Road, Ollie didn't only call the rumours nonsense, but said he'd be open to extending his stay at the club. Asked if he was set to leave, Holloway said: "Not in a million years. "Why would I want to do that? I had a lovely job at Sky, the minute this job came up I couldn't wait to do it. "I knew there was some rebuilding needed and I just got some wonderful young gentlemen in there. "Not in a million years would I want to move on. "I've got a year left on my contract, if they want to sit down and talk to me about a longer one I'd sit down and do that all day long, but that ain't my position, is it? "Someone, whoever's decided to write that, I've answered it now. "If they want to talk to me that's fine but I'm totally commited to working with the young gentlemen I've got downstairs. "I'm very proud of the young men we're trying to groom and bring up in this football club, and I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if I didn't love it, and I do, I love it." Asked if he has the support from the club's owners, Holloway replied: "How do I know that? I've no idea, I don't know what support I've got. "It's funny what things are written and where things come from, and most of it is (rubbish), really. "I know where we're going, I know what we have to do and I know that that was one of my best ever seasons from where we started and what we've managed to do for the business. "The young kids we've got coming in now, I just don't want to lose them because they're the future and we'll be trying to add some senior ones who are fresh to us and see if we can move forward."
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Post by Macmoish on May 7, 2018 7:27:51 GMT
Now it's up to Tony et al....
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 7, 2018 10:53:26 GMT
I wonder how Ollie would go with Ainsworth at his side instead of Bircham?
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 9, 2018 10:34:20 GMT
Now the Mirror has come out and said Schteev is inbound, claiming...
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Post by Macmoish on May 9, 2018 12:01:22 GMT
Guess we'll see...
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Post by sharky on May 9, 2018 13:15:45 GMT
No!!!!!!
Not the Wally with a Brolly!
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Post by Macmoish on May 9, 2018 14:07:45 GMT
A lot are saying Mclaren...But who knows if just repeating each other. But sure sounds like something
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Post by harr on May 9, 2018 15:15:02 GMT
Telegraph also saying McClaren
Must admit hadn’t realised IH had lost half his games in this spell but thought the board were going to stick with him this coming season?
Maybe not
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Post by nomar on May 9, 2018 15:30:01 GMT
Telegraph also saying McClaren Must admit hadn’t realised IH had lost half his games in this spell but thought the board were going to stick with him this coming season? Maybe not I have no objection to them changing manager but I would really want them to go for a much younger one more in touch with the modern aspects of the game. McLaren just seems to be another football management dinosaur in the Holloway/Redknapp/Warnock mould. I just hoped that we’d be moving away from that and trying to find the next Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe type instead of faded Prem failures, which seems to be TFs forte. |
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 9, 2018 15:34:03 GMT
The Daily Wail is saying 'terms are agreed' with Schteev...
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Post by harr on May 9, 2018 15:40:33 GMT
Telegraph also saying McClaren Must admit hadn’t realised IH had lost half his games in this spell but thought the board were going to stick with him this coming season? Maybe not I have no objection to them changing manager but I would really want them to go for a much younger one more in touch with the modern aspects of the game. McLaren just seems to be another football management dinosaur in the Holloway/Redknapp/Warnock mould. I just hoped that we’d be moving away from that and trying to find the next Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe type instead of faded Prem failures, which seems to be TFs forte. I guess there was nobody like that available Nomar. Your post seems the very logical thing to do. I thought this was just hot Air to start with but now after the Sun, Mirror, Mail and Telegraph all on it today. Maybe TF needs to come out and back IH if we are not changing? |
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Post by harr on May 9, 2018 16:54:09 GMT
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Post by rangersman on May 9, 2018 19:31:46 GMT
OMG from one to another, this club brings so much frustration and despair to its fans. This if true is truly shooting yourself in the foot for QPR, i am not a big Ollie fan but he has done his best. S. Mclaren is a complete no no in my book, a huge backward step, the man is defunct of a passion for football. All he wants is the dosh.
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on May 9, 2018 21:04:31 GMT
Just seems a little distasteful.. Olly has brought back pride and passion into squad , blooded youth , strengthened the squad on a shoestring whilst purchasing wisely!
If this warrants the axe then who wants to manage at QPR other than has beens who get paid handsomely for past successes without need to succeed as think there doing us a favour! Mental
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Post by nomar on May 9, 2018 21:17:30 GMT
I genuinely have no problem with dumping IH.
He cares about QPR but that doesn’t make him the right man for the job. The truth is that we won’t progress much further with him in charge, it will be more up and down mediocrity and constant chopping and changing the team and formation every month or so.
There are some very good young players at this club and a midfielder who could set himself apart in this league next season if he comes back unscathed from the World Cup.
I’m not massively big on McLaren but we seemed to enjoy our best spell under Redknapp when he was at the club and most of our fans felt a distinct downturn in our performances when he left, so maybe this club is actually a better fit for him than Middlesbrough or Derby we’re. That does happen in football.
I think it’s pretty much nailed on that it’s going to happen now so hopefully he’ll improve the team and be a genuine guiding force for the young talent we have, because our kids who are ready to step up really won’t learn much from Holloway.
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Post by nomar on May 9, 2018 21:30:03 GMT
OMG from one to another, this club brings so much frustration and despair to its fans. This if true is truly shooting yourself in the foot for QPR, i am not a big Ollie fan but he has done his best. S. Mclaren is a complete no no in my book, a huge backward step, the man is defunct of a passion for football. All he wants is the dosh. McClaren is much more respected in the game than Holloway and a lot less volatile. When he was here with Redknapp the players apparently raved about his coaching methods. We have some good young kids here who can really push on next season but in all honesty I don’t see them reaching their potential with Holloway in charge. I’m not one for sacking gaffers, as most people know based on my posts over the years, but personally I’d make the change because I don’t see IH offering us another season of anything different other than the same old mediocrity and noise. I don’t see us going forward at all with Olly and that’s really the bottom line. |
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Post by scarletpimple on May 10, 2018 0:42:36 GMT
OMG from one to another, this club brings so much frustration and despair to its fans. This if true is truly shooting yourself in the foot for QPR, i am not a big Ollie fan but he has done his best. S. Mclaren is a complete no no in my book, a huge backward step, the man is defunct of a passion for football. All he wants is the dosh. McClaren is much more respected in the game than Holloway and a lot less volatile. When he was here with Redknapp the players apparently raved about his coaching methods. We have some good young kids here who can really push on next season but in all honesty I don’t see them reaching their potential with Holloway in charge. I’m not one for sacking gaffers, as most people know based on my posts over the years, but personally I’d make the change because I don’t see IH offering us another season of anything different other than the same old mediocrity and noise. I don’t see us going forward at all with Olly and that’s really the bottom line. Spot on. |
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Post by kenthoop on May 10, 2018 8:03:46 GMT
imo if we do appoint McClaren it will be a huge step backward ,i would rather have Ainsworth than the wally with the brolly ,want a young and up and coming manager not another dinosaur
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Post by Macmoish on May 10, 2018 9:36:20 GMT
If we could persuade Warnock to come, would you want him? It would obviously not be long term - but just an effort to get us "instantly" promoted
I imagine sooner or later Cardiff will replace Warnock. (If I was them - and was ruthless enough) I would make that replacement now; and get in a Prem Manager (Sorry Neil)
But would give NW a chance for an even-more historic 9 promotions!
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Post by harr on May 10, 2018 10:17:58 GMT
SPY SPORTS saying Holloway future decided in next few hours
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Post by harr on May 10, 2018 10:21:09 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 10, 2018 10:46:18 GMT
Will be watching this during the course on my shift.
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Post by bowranger on May 10, 2018 11:16:47 GMT
So torn on all this. Fundamentally, it doesn't feel like it's being handled very well to have this amount of conjecture going on and it asks so many questions about the recent past. What exactly did Fernandes know when he went on the podcast? How long has this been in the offing (a lot of fans drawing comparisons with McClaren's knowledgeable and slightly biased take on us when doing punditry for the Fulham away game with Ollie's damning and knowledgeable assessment of us losing at Brentford when he was working at Sky)? Is the fact leaks seem to be reappearing partly consistent with us losing our senior press employee?
On the one hand, while I have my doubts, I still feel like Ollie did what was asked of him and that there's a chance of continued improvement by letting him see out his contract. On the other hand, if we are going for McClaren, this appears to have been considered for quite some time and if you're going to change manager, then this is exactly the best possible time to do it. Gives a new face the whole of pre-season and the summer window, not our usual crap of chucking stability out the window in November. Whatever we think of Ollie, if him and Birch are being pushed, aren't in the loop and are learning most of this via the press then it's very poor form from our Club.
It's just all so hard to know what will happen. Losing Ollie, Bircham and Onouha are all senior professionals who love our football club. It's not the be all and end all, but it would still be a void to fill - surely that's unstable and a step back from the QPR 'family' feel we've tried to cultivate? By the same token, our continuity is probably far more importantly rooted in Hoos, Ferdinand and Ramsey, so surely there's a stable system for a new head coach to drop into. I mean, Watford have a similar system and their managerial switches are fairly un-disruptive, so who's to say that wouldn't happen with us?
More fundamentally, as nomar argues, Ollie fulfilling his remit doesn't therefore mean he's right to take us to the next step, whatever that could be. For all the positives (youth integration, clearing out deadwood, better 'feel' around the place, players consistently putting in shifts) there are still plenty of negatives (inconsistent team selections, only a late draw against Brentford stopping another poor streak, winding up opposition fans, away form still poor, London derby form still poor). Either way, it's worth saying that there is absolutely no perfect manager out there. You'll never find a manager who makes selections we don't agree with or has slumps or has a formation we all fall in love with.
I'm rambling and this is almost all questions and wondering and no answers. I'm genuinely on the fence about it and trying to keep the faith maybe we know what we're doing. A poster over at LFW actually succinctly summed up how I feel about it all:
I think that's where I am. It's less about my opinion on McClaren or anyone else, it's more about my fear of making managerial changes once we've actually settled down a bit for the first time in years.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 10, 2018 12:01:42 GMT
If McClaren is coming in to #QPR, how about an Ollie/McClaren partnership a la Clough & Taylor - best of both worlds?
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Post by harr on May 10, 2018 12:11:50 GMT
What will happen will happen, nothing any of us can do. Dave Macs take on it might be towards a change? |
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Post by terryb on May 10, 2018 12:24:05 GMT
Thank you Bow.
That was a summation that I think(!) echos my views!
Was I pleased when we appointed Ollie? NO, not by a long way.
Has Ollie exceeded my expectations on his return? YES, & by a fair bit.
Would it be unfair to dismiss Ollie now? Certainly. He has fully met his remit.
Do I think he would be the right manager for us to progress? Hmm, I'm far from convinced. My heart says that he has earned the right to be given the chance to achieve this. My head queries if he has the ability to manage a steady improvement as his reign is frequently a roller coaster. His loss percentage since his return is also very worrying, which is just a tad under 50%. Of 76 league games played we have lost 37, which appears to me to be well above expectation.
Am I concerned if Ollie goes? Definitely. The togetherness of the squad that we had in the season just finished might be at risk with a change of management. However, this may also be at risk whenever Ollie publicly slates/demeans individual players (and he has a habit of doing this).
Would I be concerned if our management were not dyed in the wool Rangers men? Not at all! This is of minimal value & an irrelevance compared to selecting the right person. There is also only Ollie IMO that could fit this bill. I would rule Ainsworth out of this equation due to reports on how "agricultural" his playing style has been at Wycombe.
Would I be happy with McLaren in charge? Hmm! I certainly would prefer him to any of the usual crop of suspects whose names are floated. Why you may ask & I couldn't give a reason apart from it would feel right to me! However, I would hope that if we are changing, due consideration was given to some managers that are currently employed in lower divisions. Without looking up names, I would offer the incumbents of Wigan, Shrewsbury, Exeter & Lincoln as possibilities. Others may be equally qualified!
Do I think that now would be the right time for a change? Another hmm! IF I felt convinced that Ollie would be retained for the whole of next season, then I would say that he should be allowed to see out his contract. However, with the current speculation I'm not sure that is a possibility (let alone a probability).
Would I feel upset for Ollie? Upset - NO. Sorry for him - YES. It would not compare to how I felt when Gregory dismissed/replaced Stock & Jago. A long time ago, but it shows that the major decisions never alter!
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Post by bowranger on May 10, 2018 12:31:19 GMT
If McClaren is coming in to #QPR, how about an Ollie/McClaren partnership a la Clough & Taylor - best of both worlds? I just don't think that would monetarily make sense or match up to the desires of all the parties involved. It's all speculative, but I'd argue Hoos would look at it from a financial standpoint and say "why are we employing two people with two salaries to do one job?". Because whether we agree or not that both of them have complimentary but incomplete aspects to their managerial and coaching CVs, it would seem an extravagance to have two people who have managed at this level previously in a job share when we already have a DoF and coaching setup in place, let alone a club so cash-poor as us. It's like saying you've got a car with a good top speed but starts inconsistently and deciding the solution is buying another car that's slow but reliable and splitting your time with them. Ollie would have a shout in arguing that he's fulfilled what was asked so either let him carry on with the work as he's contracted to or get someone else in. Likewise with McClaren, he's managed multiple times at this standard, why accept a dual role? You can argue he did this under Redknapp, but that was presumably on better wedge, was as a subordinate and was only ever temporary. |
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