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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 21, 2020 14:17:38 GMT
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Post by Marc on Jan 21, 2020 15:39:28 GMT
Gonna be a nervy 10 days for Rs fans. Let's hope that this and a Wells recall aren't done on deadline day giving us no time to get replacements in.
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Post by rangersman on Jan 21, 2020 17:19:22 GMT
If we let wells and bright go, thats the end of our season. How much longer do we have to keep letting good players go when they would rather stay. I am almost finished with this club, im getting into rugby more each year.
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Post by Marc on Jan 21, 2020 17:31:12 GMT
If we let wells and bright go, thats the end of our season. How much longer do we have to keep letting good players go when they would rather stay. I am almost finished with this club, im getting into rugby more each year. We won't have a choice if Wells goes, he's not ours to keep or sell. Also, if players would rather stay, then they would.
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Post by bowranger on Jan 22, 2020 10:06:45 GMT
If we let wells and bright go, thats the end of our season. How much longer do we have to keep letting good players go when they would rather stay. I am almost finished with this club, im getting into rugby more each year. To be fair, it doesn't seem to give you any joy at all and we're nowhere near out of the situation where we can turn down money for our better players. Just what we are for a while (and indeed, most clubs operating at our level are ran that way, and need to be). It's an unfair situation, partly of our own making, partly cos financially the game's tilted to letting Premier League clubs cherry pick young players for peanuts and behave however they want, so to survive and grow, you have to buy low/free, polish up and sell higher, repeat. No-one's chucking these players out against their will, mind and some of them will go on to bigger and better things, sad as it is for us. But it's so much better than years ago.
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Post by bowranger on Jan 22, 2020 10:09:46 GMT
Would be heartbroken if that happened. Edit: though at least that's WLS reporting on rumours from elsewhere (Football Insider) rather than WLS reporting it themselves. If it was the latter, I'd be more worried!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jan 22, 2020 11:05:45 GMT
If we let wells and bright go, thats the end of our season. How much longer do we have to keep letting good players go when they would rather stay. I am almost finished with this club, im getting into rugby more each year. I feel exactly the opposite. After YEARS of complete mismanagement, empty promises (Flabbio: "We'll be the the Champions League within 5 years..."), terrible finances, embarrassing signings and managers, at last we seem to be running the club properly. New training complex coming soon, possibly a new ground, proper youth development. Sadly with our experience of FFP, we are necessarily a 'selling club'. Let's just hope we can start picking up proper money for the likes of Eze and BOS, and not just the odd £4-5m. Yes, it's frustrating to see these players develop and then lose them, but if we can build a reputation for bringing on exciting youth prospects, then those players will want to come to us. It will be interesting to see the latest club accounts, which I think will be released soon...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 11:13:08 GMT
If we let wells and bright go, thats the end of our season. How much longer do we have to keep letting good players go when they would rather stay. I am almost finished with this club, im getting into rugby more each year. As Marc says Wells is not our player - if Burnley call him back there is nothing we can do about it. Even if we try to buy him it needs Burnley to accept our bid, when others may be bidding more, and then we have to find a way to pay his salary which is currently outside our budget, or get him to take a pay cut. If BOS goes it will be a shame but opens the door for someone else. Fact is we have to sell players to survive financially. We could of course refuse to sell BOS, let him run his contract down and leave for nothing with more money in his own pocket and leave us with no player and no cash. So if we have a choice of taking 7 million now and replacing him , or letting him go for next to nothing in a few months time there is only one realistic and sensible answer. If a player does not want to stay with us we cannot force him to. As for the game played by men with odd shaped balls, good luck if you should get into it more - try becoming a Saracens supporter - they know all about how to run a club financially! As one Rugby song chorus variation goes: "It's the same the whole world over It's the poor what gets the blame While the rich get all the pleasure Ain't it all a ****ing shame" Of course there's a lot more to that song but I'll be told off for being a naughty boy if I type it
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Post by egranger on Jan 22, 2020 16:42:59 GMT
If we do sell Bright then the loan signing of Clarke makes more sense. Bright has really improved so much this season - his goal against Birmingham appears to have been the catalyst for him to play with confidence. With potentially only another year on his contract he is one I can see (sadly)being sold if the right offer comes in
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Post by surreychad on Jan 23, 2020 8:14:19 GMT
If we let wells and bright go, thats the end of our season. How much longer do we have to keep letting good players go when they would rather stay. I am almost finished with this club, im getting into rugby more each year. I feel exactly the opposite. After YEARS of complete mismanagement, empty promises (Flabbio: "We'll be the the Champions League within 5 years..."), terrible finances, embarrassing signings and managers, at last we seem to be running the club properly. New training complex coming soon, possibly a new ground, proper youth development. Sadly with our experience of FFP, we are necessarily a 'selling club'. Let's just hope we can start picking up proper money for the likes of Eze and BOS, and not just the odd £4-5m. Yes, it's frustrating to see these players develop and then lose them, but if we can build a reputation for bringing on exciting youth prospects, then those players will want to come to us. It will be interesting to see the latest club accounts, which I think will be released soon...
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 31, 2020 7:49:27 GMT
Palace entering the race for Eze with a large bid yesterday according to sources
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Post by surreychad on Jan 31, 2020 10:36:44 GMT
this could be suicide from the board if they let another go, I fully understand our financial position but we have just lost 2 senior players. Letting one more go, even for stupid money will get a lot of criticism from fans and demoralise a team that needs a boost not another loss
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 31, 2020 10:57:51 GMT
I will be glad when the window closes and when it does I just hope Eze and Bos are still here
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Post by harr on Jan 31, 2020 11:00:11 GMT
I will be glad when the window closes and when it does I just hope Eze and Bos are still here Add Manning and 🪑
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 31, 2020 11:40:04 GMT
I forgot Manning 😀
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Post by terryb on Jan 31, 2020 13:11:32 GMT
Palace entering the race for Eze with a large bid yesterday according to sources According to Sky, & more importantly, Dave Mc this is not happenimg.
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 31, 2020 13:48:50 GMT
I do hope so 😀😀
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 31, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
Oh Hell I thought the window closes at 5 not 11 more time to to prolong the agony 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 15:05:21 GMT
WLS reporting we will recall Oteh from Bradford. SSN report Bradford are signing a new forward - deal almost done - so this one probably has some truth in it and will give us a bit of cover upfront and a chance for Oteh to show what he can do. Good move if it happens
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 31, 2020 18:09:46 GMT
A few of our old boys moving on this window: Bruno Andrade Lincoln to Salford Ben Gladwin - Blackburn to MK Dons (free) Armand Traore - Released by Cardiff Coll Donaldson - Inverness Calledonia to Ross County Jack Robinson - Notts Forest to Sheffield United
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Post by harr on Jan 31, 2020 21:03:10 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 31, 2020 21:07:01 GMT
We dont have long to sign 4 defenders and a goalkeeper.
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Post by harr on Jan 31, 2020 23:58:57 GMT
Another one to score against us.... Well that was exciting.... Owners thinking it don’t really matter if we finish 10 or 20 th , keep the cash until the summer, fair enough I guess ? Although we will probably sell EZE for 15 Million and reinvest 1 Million back in. Let’s hope our goals scored doesn’t suddenly drop off without Wells contribution. Hugill will have to step up, we have Oteh back but he was going out as deemed as not ready for the Championship yet we have called him back early after scoring 4 goals in League Two ? If he gets games and doesn’t score, I just hope he don’t get hounded at games. Two things I’m sad about in the Window is Wells and Scowen departing, was not overly bothered with the others departing, two never worked out at ours but might at Charlton and Wigan, so good luck to them. Leistner was one of the high earners so the Club think they can do without his wage. Not sure if our Owners are still interested in us these days, surprised they don’t sell us really. Tony’s Five year plan is currently at about 8 years and we are still having to offload five players in a window to get in one. I find it all bit flat, I find the last couple of years hard to see how will go forwards( maybe even more years of windows like this one ) and how many years before we see a bit more investment. But I guess that can’t happen now until EZE and BOS both get sold in the summer, the owners did really kill our Club. We need stop loaning players that are never going to be ours too, only loan these youngsters if there’s an option to buy. Although Wells was not a youngster we put in all the effort with his 15 goals to get him in the shop window , then half way through the season we are screwed 🙁
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 1, 2020 9:02:57 GMT
Another one to score against us.... Well that was exciting.... Owners thinking it don’t really matter if we finish 10 or 20 th , keep the cash until the summer, fair enough I guess ? Although we will probably sell EZE for 15 Million and reinvest 1 Million back in. Let’s hope our goals scored doesn’t suddenly drop off without Wells contribution. Hugill will have to step up, we have Oteh back but he was going out as deemed as not ready for the Championship yet we have called him back early after scoring 4 goals in League Two ? If he gets games and doesn’t score, I just hope he don’t get hounded at games. Two things I’m sad about in the Window is Wells and Scowen departing, was not overly bothered with the others departing, two never worked out at ours but might at Charlton and Wigan, so good luck to them. Leistner was one of the high earners so the Club think they can do without his wage. Not sure if our Owners are still interested in us these days, surprised they don’t sell us really. Tony’s Five year plan is currently at about 8 years and we are still having to offload five players in a window to get in one. I find it all bit flat, I find the last couple of years hard to see how will go forwards( maybe even more years of windows like this one ) and how many years before we see a bit more investment. But I guess that can’t happen now until EZE and BOS both get sold in the summer, the owners did really kill our Club. We need stop loaning players that are never going to be ours too, only loan these youngsters if there’s an option to buy. Although Wells was not a youngster we put in all the effort with his 15 goals to get him in the shop window , then half way through the season we are screwed 🙁 Agree with that really Harr, but I am at least relieved that we have hung on to our young talent. Sad, like you, to lose Scowen and Wells but as I said in another thread, I really think that the Wells price was way beyond us because of the Brownhill inflation. The window looks like a cost saving exercise - fair enough I guess, blood some youngsters and assess if they are going to make it. Clive of LFW wrote a good piece a couple of weeks ago about how difficult the striker situation is when we have no-one coming through at present. We cannot afford to buy so we can only afford loans. Glass half full says that Wells justified the loan by getting us to mid-table ahead of expectations. But yeah, we leave the window weaker than we entered as far as the football is concerned. As to the owners selling the club, I believe that we are unsalable until we complete the three year FFP cycle, hence the window of 'housekeeping'. A club that has been re-established on a firm fiscal footing is more attractive than several of the other clubs who are still in denial. Would not be surprised to see the owners look for an exit later next season. Then it may be a case of 'better the devil you know'. For all their woeful mismanagement, they are rich and not likely to put us back into administration. In another's hand, we are a poor relation of the Championship and are far more vulnerable. Now we are being 'properly run' and the 'lunatics have left the asylum' I think we are in a much better position and so I hope they stay - for the financial security they give us.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 1, 2020 9:20:25 GMT
Yes, definitely weaker overall after the window has shut - but perhaps you could say we we are 'leaner'. A smaller, compact squad, with fringe players getting more of an opportunity to show what they can do.
I think we might be surprised at what Oteh might deliver.
With the board apparently rejecting a late Eze £15m bid from Palace, looks like he'll not go for under £20m in the summer - but Im sure he will go at the end of the season. It's our one opportunity to cash in on him before his contract runs down and his resale value dwindles.
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Post by terryb on Feb 1, 2020 9:42:06 GMT
Yes, it does feel that we are weaker, but have we really lost anyone apart from Wells that would have played much?
Smith & Mlakar definitely wouldn't. Scowen is doubtful & Leistner would have been the fourth choice centre half due to the promotion of Masterson.
Whether Toni should have been higher than that is another matter, but that is how MW saw him. He would have played far less this season without the injury to Hall & then Barbet. Personally, I thought he was great for the physical battles with Millwall, Cardiff etc, but the wrong man against players with pace & especially movement.
However I can't see Oteh having much game time & it remains to be seen if Clarke will. Both may have a lot of time sitting on the bench.
I do expect though, that come the end of the season, Hugill will have scored more league goals than Wells!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 10:52:02 GMT
Apart from Wells going (beyond our control) I cannot see we are really weaker and are better off financially. We have lost players who either were not playing at all or were down the pecking order. We have a smaller squad which exposes us to injury a little more but are not weaker with others coming back from injury.
More importantly it puts more emphasis on our younger players (as most people keep asking for) and gives us the chance to see what they can do. That way , come the summer, we will have a good idea of which of the younger players can be regular players and where we will need to strengthen.
Only worry is if Hugill picks up a long term injury. Another 12 points and we are safe so lets get hem on the board asap and let the younger players have a decent run in the team.
We kept hold of all our up and coming talent which is great. They will either stay longer and build a decent team or their value will increase and we build again.
Good window apart from Wells as far as I can see
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2020 11:22:48 GMT
Today will be a good judge of how we look without Wells. The good news today is two of the bottom three are away at Leeds and WBA so we should be 12 pts clear tonight.
I know I harp on about that CUP team but as we are trying to free up even more cash for the summer doesn’t it sound even more ludicrous we picked that team. So frustrating, you never know against City we might have had a really good go, we could have got far more cash for being in that Cup. If truthful I’m as upset as much about selecting that team as the transfer window went.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 1, 2020 11:45:51 GMT
Today will be a good judge of how we look without Wells. The good news today is two of the bottom three are away at Leeds and WBA so we should be 12 pts clear tonight. I know I harp on about that CUP team but as we are trying to free up even more cash for the summer doesn’t it sound even more ludicrous we picked that team. So frustrating, you never know against City we might have had a really good go, we could have got far more cash for being in that Cup. If truthful I’m as upset as much about selecting that team as the transfer window went. Well my beef is that we prioritized the league over the cup by foolishly organizing the Blackburn game for the Tuesday. There was no rush to reschedule and we rested players because we had a game on the Tuesday - that we lost anyway. Wells was rested for the cup and then we were forced to release him anyway. But I guess hindsight is a great thing. For the record, I think we will struggle today and I fear that it could trigger despondency and even panic in some quarters. Clive (LFW) is a big opinion former and his preview for today is pretty downbeat. His view of the window is not too dissimilar to the views on here but his point about paying to watch football and not balance sheets is sobering.
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Post by salts on Feb 1, 2020 11:49:54 GMT
Well put 75. We may well be in a better position than a number of so-called bigger Championship sides to strengthen our squad in the summer. Brentford, on limited resources, are 2-3 years ahead of us but we are starting to close that gap. They know, that a new stadium will bring them greater revenue. It will be the same for us. Until then (if it ever happens) we need to run our club like they do. We may well be 1-2 years ahead of many Championship clubs in being able to comply with FFP, which, if so, augers well for the next few years.
The rest is down to good coaching and injuries.
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