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Post by QPR Report on Jun 13, 2009 6:37:28 GMT
According to poster on WATRB (backed up by a couple of others - Not Pete or a couple of others theoretically most in the know) -may be happening WATRB post www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18992If Bircham has taken coaching badges, etc and is good coach, that would be nice, if true. But the test/determinant is his ability as a coach; not that he's "QPR Through and through" etc. |
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Post by cpr on Jun 13, 2009 7:44:21 GMT
Agree with that Mike, it should be Magilton and Gorman's decision should it not? Gorman's not even in yet. No offence to birch but he has knowledge of youth development or running a youth setup.
I would be happier for us all to be saying "who" when appointing a youth coach and discoving he has a resume of youth development/coaching. It's a very tough job, I can assure you.
However, if he is just going to be another coach under a larger umbrella I have no problem with that. The cynic in me says this would not be the case though.
Does anyone go to the training ground? Is there any sign of a covered playing surface?
If the promises of an academy return are to be true this is the first of many changes that are required.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 13, 2009 7:53:22 GMT
Agree with that Mike, it should be Magilton and Gorman's decision should it not? Gorman's not even in yet. Interestingly everyone got excited about how Magilton was a manager not a coach but actually he is First Team Manager. To me this leaves the club the same position youth development i.e. decision NOT made by the manager. |
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Post by QPR Report on Jun 13, 2009 8:04:58 GMT
Scott on WATRB says it's Paladini bringing him to QPR. Again, hope it's based on his coaching ability.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 13, 2009 8:14:09 GMT
Paladini trying to placate fans??
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Post by cpr on Jun 13, 2009 8:15:03 GMT
Is that the case Eus? If h e is only responsible for the first team then that' no different to being the coach, shirley!
If Paladini is bringing in a coach then he is already undermining the new "manager".
Bircham has been around lately, appearing in the odd promo on world for example.
Didn't him and Gallen fall out with Paladini? Probably yet more ITK BS.
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Post by klr on Jun 13, 2009 8:25:10 GMT
One of the worst, most overrated players I've ever seen at Rangers.
Wouldnt want him coaching our kids in a million years, what is he going to teach them exactly ? How to get booked ?
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Post by QPR Report on Jun 13, 2009 8:34:07 GMT
Dave Mcintyre Ealing Gazette - June 14, 2007
"...Also in tomorrow's paper: Marc Bircham's amazing contention that Paladini forced him out of the club, and the chairman's response to the allegations."
Ealing Gazette/Yann Tear - June 2007
Marc Bircham insists he bears no hard feelings after being dumped by the Club he loves but blames the breakdown of his relationship with Chairman Gianni Paladini for his departure. The 29 year old midfielder also claims Rangers will never progress while the Italian is on charge. Paladini said that the decision to release Bircham was made entirely by boss John Gregory and expressed surprise at the claim.
Bircham’s five year stay at Loftus Road has come to an end after the Club decided not to offer a new contract when his old one expired at the end of the Season. He is currently eyeing a potential move to Toronto FC in Canada, the country for whom he has played for 17 times at full international level. Back in February, Bircham pleaded for another year but now says he was probably not wanted because of a determination by the Chairman to purge the Club of any legacy from the Ian Holloway regime. “It was time to go”, Bircham admitted to the Gazette. “I have no bad feelings towards the Club, because it’s QPR, although it’s obviously disappointing. The way I was treated in the final year, I knew I’d only be staying until the end of my contract. It was a big stumbling block not seeing eye to eye with the Chairman. You are always swimming against the tide.”
“I suppose if you ask him, he’d say he had no problem with me, but it’s not true. I think it’s rooted in his decision to get rid of Ian Holloway. I think he thought I was close to Ian in the same way that Kevin Gallen was and he knew that I didn’t agree with what happened to Ian when he was put on gardening leave. I felt that after all he’d done for the Club, Ian deserved to be treated professionally. Gianni claimed that Ian was cheating on him by wanting to talk to Leicester. But he didn’t do anything wrong.”
Looking back to when things began to go wrong for him, Bircham said, ”I was suddenly put on the transfer list at the end of the Season before last. They said it was because of money troubles I had to go and Gianni blamed (ex boss) Gary Waddock and Gary blamed Gianni. I was determined to see out my contract and although Gary Waddock said I’d have to see out the year in the Reserves, I said ‘no problem’ because I knew I could get back into the 1st team. I was disappointed with Waddo, I’d known him for years and he just seemed to be doing what the Chairman wanted. I did get back in the team and was happy with my football and that continued when John Gregory arrived and I was made captain, but then injury struck again. I was playing all Season knowing I would probably need an operation and was carrying a problem, but after one hamstring too many, I decided to get it done in February.”
“I asked then for another year’s contract but when they said they wanted to see how the operation went first, I knew it was time to go. Bircham continued, “The relationship between me and the Chairman never really improved. He said that just because a player supports the Club, it doesn’t mean they have the right to play for them which showed how he felt about me. In my opinion, for the Club to move forward, they need a new owner and I think most fans feel that. They need to bring more players in, if they don’t, they could struggle again. I won’t say anything really bad about the Club because I’m not like that, but I did worry that the Club had become a laughing stock off the pitch. We were never in the news for football. It seemed like a new story was out every month, starting with that gun fiasco before the game with Sheffield United, it went downhill after that.”
Paladini said he was amazed by Bircham’s allegations and insisted he had no hand in the way the player was treated in his final year at the Club. “I’m the Chairman and it’s not down to me who’s going to play”, Paladini told the Gazette. “John Gregory’s the manager, he decides the players he wants, end of story. He’s not the type of person to be told by me that he will have this or that. John Gregory released him, I didn’t release him, in fact I like him, I don’t understand why he’s having a go at me ? Marcus Bignot was also left out last Season at times but fought back to win a contract. If he was good enough, he would be in the team now. He had enough time to prove to John Gregory he was worth keeping.”
For all the disillusionment, Bircham departs with some fond memories of promotion battles and that famous day at Hillsborough when Rangers were promoted three years ago. “My best memories will be of the goal I scored at Brentford to get us into the play-offs, I’ll never forget that but the best day of my life was Hillsborough, without a doubt”, Bircham revealed. “That was a dream come true. To get promoted in a QPR team was the reason why I started to play football. My dad was there and it was always one of his dreams, seeing one of his sons playing for QPR. At the final whistle, I went straight into the crowd where all my family were behind the goal. It was the first time I’d seen my dad cry ! It made up for Cardiff, which was one of my worst days in football. We were the better team that day in the play-off final and we should of gone through. Mind you, we learned later that it was just as well we didn’t go up or we might have gone bust because we owed so much in bonuses, we would have gone bankrupt.”
Does the future now lie in Toronto for a fit-again Bircham ? “I went over not expecting much”, he admitted. “They paid for the flight and hotel so I could go over and have a look and I was so impressed. The set-up is fantastic, they’re getting crowds of 20,000 a week. The city is going crazy for football, it’s overtaken basketball and is on a par with baseball. Danny Dichio is there, who I’ve known since I was 11 and Mo Johnson’s the manager and I’m really considering it.”
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Post by scottjones on Jun 13, 2009 8:36:05 GMT
Like i've said elsewhere, I personally don't get it...having seen him train virtually every day for one season I can safely say he's not a very committed person when it comes to training!
Personally would like him in some kind of "ambassador" type role
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Post by QPR Report on Jun 13, 2009 8:41:26 GMT
And a QPR Net Interview with Bircham from last season. Does offer his views about various things at QPR! qprnet.com/interviews/bircham.shtml'Re Coaching: "...I’ve done my coaching badges and I’m doing my UEFA A license this summer so I’d like to be a manager one day but I’ve got some other interests because you just never know with football. I’ve got a big project in Cyprus, I’m opening a sports complex and football academy and I’m really looking forward to that. It should open in about three years which should coincide with the end of my playing career. It’s been good for me with all the injuries to have something to keep me busy and it’s kept me happy as my family will tell you. .." |
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Post by Markqpr on Jun 13, 2009 10:11:06 GMT
Agree with that Mike, it should be Magilton and Gorman's decision should it not? Gorman's not even in yet. Interestingly everyone got excited about how Magilton was a manager not a coach but actually he is First Team Manager. To me this leaves the club the same position youth development i.e. decision NOT made by the manager. Nail. Head. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 13, 2009 18:16:31 GMT
Is that the case Eus? If h e is only responsible for the first team then that' no different to being the coach, shirley! If Paladini is bringing in a coach then he is already undermining the new "manager". Bircham has been around lately, appearing in the odd promo on world for example. Didn't him and Gallen fall out with Paladini? Probably yet more ITK BS. Please check what the club staff directory calls him: www.qpr.co.uk/page/StaffDirectory/0,,10373,00.html First Team Staff First Team Manager - Jim Magilton Performance Manager - John Harbin Coach - David Rouse Kit Man - Gary Doyle Physiotherapist - Paul Hunter Assistant Physiotherapist - Shane Annun |
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 2, 2009 11:54:48 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 2, 2009 11:58:19 GMT
Dave McIntyre/BBC 606
Birch on the way back
QPR
by David McIntyre - BBC Sport (U1628513) 02 July 2009
Marc Bircham is set to return to Rangers to coach the youth team, which is good news in my view.
It seems his appointment is about to be rubber-stamped and could be announced in the next 24 hours.
I’m a great believer that clubs should, whenever possible, give former players who served them well the chance to cut their teeth in coaching.
Whether they progress from there is down to the individual’s ability, but getting a foot in the door is important and I’m pleased QPR are looking to give Bircham that chance.
He has had his differences with the Rangers hierarchy in the past, so both sides have had to mend fences. I'm pleased they have and hope Bircham does return.
Bircham was often praised for his professionalism as a player - even before he joined Rangers from Millwall – and can be a good role model for young players.
Now injury has brought his playing career to an end, it’s quite right that Rangers should give him an opportunity to stay in the game.
Gary Waddock, Warren Neill, Gary Micklewhite and other former players have been given a similar chance in recent years, and Bircham deserves his.
His passion for the club and down-to-earth personality will be an asset.
Having said that, Rangers’ youth system is one of the areas the club urgently need to improve.
That requires proper time and investment, not simply the appointment of a popular former player.
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Post by klr on Jul 2, 2009 11:59:36 GMT
A laughable appointment.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 2, 2009 12:06:52 GMT
If you believe the youth team coach position should go to someone with a QPR background, it's good.
If Bircham is a good coach; it's good. But the position should go to who's best to develop our youngsters. And the QPR background should not be factored in. Other than unless two equally competent people for the job and one is ex-QPR>
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 2, 2009 12:13:37 GMT
David's last paragraph sums it up for me.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 2, 2009 12:19:24 GMT
I wonder who made the appointment!
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Post by scottjones on Jul 2, 2009 14:37:57 GMT
I was nabbing someones wi-fi when i posted that I am back home now. Yep Birch was in and out of harlington all morning - i presume being interviewed/finalising things.
Like Dave M says, its good that both he and Gianni have been men and swallowed some pride and sorted things out.
Whether or not this is a good appointment well, who knows. Bircham was a dosser of a trainer and spent more time monkeying about than anything else.
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Post by klr on Jul 2, 2009 16:40:28 GMT
If it was someone like Stevie Palmer, I would say fair play, good appointment.
Bircham is a laughable appointment for a youth coach, its the eight wonder of the world that that man actually made it as a professional footballer in the first place, the fact that he has been appointed to coach our youngsters is like kicking someone when they are down, what has this individual to offer our youth set up, did we really sack Steve Brown a highly respected football man, to replace him with this moron Marc Bircham ??
Some people call Marc Bircham a "QPR Legend" I call him an awful player, one of the most overrated players I have ever seen at Rangers added to the fact that he is clearly not the most intelligent fellow, yet this is who we choose to coach our youngsters ??! lol
Should someone that inarticulate ever be placed in charge of youngsters, I thought that problem was being addressed in this country whereby you have Ignorant foul mouthed thugs teaching kids how to play football ? Isnt this why generations of english players havent made the grade ??
Paul Parker ? yes, great appointment, ditto Steve Palmer.
Marc Bircham ??! I genuinely couldnt have thought of a worse / more inappropriate appointment for the position concerned lol.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 2, 2009 16:45:18 GMT
Just to note we never even acknowledged/thanked Steve Brown. He just vanished
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Post by scottjones on Jul 2, 2009 16:48:00 GMT
not often we agree klr.....but... like i said - was close to the team during the promotion season and well, for me, he was the worst trainer that we had.... Albeit on your last point - he's better suited than say vinny jones  as im sure you'd agree lol |
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 2, 2009 16:49:03 GMT
Just to note we never even acknowledged/thanked Steve Brown. He just vanished Wait til they dig up the pitch... |
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Post by klr on Jul 2, 2009 16:58:35 GMT
Surely the purpose of a "teacher" which is essentially what a youth team coach should be is to instill authority, manners & respect ??
Marc Bircham isnt a "Teacher" in any walk of life lol, stick to the "banter fuelled" phone calls to Talksport mate, I think thats about your level.
Definately not coaching young kids, its not fair on these kids that a clown has been appointed.
It should be someone of Steve Palmer or Paul Parkers stature, Steve Palmer is in charge of Spurs academy which just shows how highly regarded he is, Paul Parker is, IMO a fantastic & criminally underrated football thinker & he has played in a World Cup Semi Final = exactly the type of character you should have in charge of youngsters.
Someone like Bircham should never be in charge of kids, its not fair on the kids, you should be giving them every chance to succeed, not appointing a clown to look after them.
Sorry, but this is important, this is potentially the future of the club we are talking about here, you dont leave an idiot in charge of the future of the club do you ??!
It never stops does it ?
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 2, 2009 17:12:34 GMT
Well maybe he'll turn out to be surprise...But interesting WHY.
Fans may care briefly: Yeah Bircham's back. But basically, results is what they care about
Although with youth, there is a time period before find out if success or not
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 2, 2009 17:25:29 GMT
Birch's 1st training session
"Right lads, here is a chicken. When I blow the whistle I want you to try to catch it. Last player to catch the chicken gets his clothes set on fire" PEEEEEEEP
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Post by klr on Jul 2, 2009 17:31:02 GMT
Birch's 1st training session"Right lads, here is a chicken. When I blow the whistle I want you to try to catch it. Last player to catch the chicken gets his clothes set on fire" PEEEEEEEP Birchams 1st training session Right you orrible looking bunch of muggy little c*8*s, my names Birch & I'm a QPR legend & I ate Chelsea, listen to what I say & you'll get booked quickly, first person that gets booked gets a glass of Champagne at half time, you got that ? you orrrible nasty little bunch of nasty F***ing muggy C**ts |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 2, 2009 17:44:12 GMT
Too be fair being a crap/combative player doesn't preclude you being a good coach...I believe Alex Ferguson was a rather robust player himself
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Post by klr on Jul 2, 2009 17:55:56 GMT
I never bought in to Birchams self serving mythology, he was an awful player who was mostly off the pace of the game, hence late tackles, conceding posession, bookings etc.
Add in the fact that he doesnt seem to be the most intelligent of chaps, then I'm not sure exactly why he is coaching our kids, what can he offer them exactly ?
Bircham for me = a Vauxhall Conference version of David Beckham
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 2, 2009 18:02:12 GMT
Too be fair being a crap/combative player doesn't preclude you being a good coach...I believe Alex Ferguson was a rather robust player himself Of course you are right Eus but I bet Birch would chortle if he read our accounts of his first day.  |
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as im sure you'd agree lol