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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 7, 2016 10:36:34 GMT
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Post by sharky on Jul 7, 2016 12:18:50 GMT
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Post by ingham on Jul 9, 2016 0:29:43 GMT
"The planning committee of the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation is due to assess the findings of a recent public consultation, which will show there is almost 90% support for a stadium-led regeneration".
Will it?
The GLA's public consultation received 3,517 replies, all but 100 or so from Rs supporters. The non-Rs DIDN'T show 90% support for a stadium-led regeneration. And unless 3,414 is almost our entire support, the proposals aren't even backed by 90% of Rs supporters. The Club's own 'public consultation' doesn't show that ANY of its respondents are Rs. Only that there are around 1,000 fewer than replied to the GLA. And, reassuringly, that they are all people.
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Post by ingham on Jul 9, 2016 16:14:00 GMT
A good example, 57, although, unlike the Government where the referendum was concerned, the GLA hadn't implicitly committed itself to implementing the views of those who responded, so the rest of us, and all our views, whether in favour or not, aren't really the equivalent of the portion of the electorate too indolent to join in the process.
That's the difference between something put to the vote, and a public consultation, surely. To enable the public - just such as we are, here, in fact - to gauge the true level of support for what is proposed, and to decide for itself the value, if any, of the protagonists' claims. To discuss in any forum it chooses.
Having said that, I can't recall anyone, even in such an antagonistic referendum campaign, going quite so far as to claim "almost 90% support" without qualification. And when there is no evidence that it IS true in an unqualified sense, even among its own supporters.
I very much doubt that Fernandes & Co accept that 90% of Rs supporters are AGAINST the proposals because only a small minority of the Club's support said it was in favour.
But, early days, I suppose. I fancy the prospectus is still suggesting a 40,000 capacity stadium.
Rather a worry if If 3,414 represents 90% of our support. Not for the first time, perhaps, they may have their sums wrong by a factor of 10!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 9, 2016 18:12:27 GMT
Regardless of whether 90% approval has any real meaning, it concerns a patch of derelict wasteland, so no real contention.
What pleases/surprises me is that this seems to come out of the blue - I thought we were being tied up in knots by Cargiant. Is this a different plot/area?
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Post by ki on Jul 9, 2016 22:24:36 GMT
Doesn't the final say on planning approval rest with the Secretary Of State?Mayor of London can pour scorn and cold water on any project.So it seems to be who you know and whose palms you grease more than anything else.I never thought a mickey mouse organisation like Car Giant had the clout of a stup which included one of the richest families in the world.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 10, 2016 11:04:54 GMT
I think I read that Sadiq Khan is very supportive of the club in this.
Must count for something.
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Post by ki on Jul 10, 2016 12:36:29 GMT
Not a bad idea that.  And if I know my local politicians they like the odd backhander and some free nosebag/trip to the lap dancing club.  |
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Post by sharky on Jul 13, 2016 23:03:54 GMT
From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-given-new-stadium-boost13072016QPR receive apparent boost to their stadium plansBy David McIntyre 13/07/2016 QPR have received an apparent boost to their hopes of building a new stadium at Old Oak. The planning committee of the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation have been assessing the findings of a recent public consultation, which shows there is almost 90% support for a stadium-led regeneration. And, while a verdict on Rangers’ stadium plans is some time away, a joint application with the club’s partners, Genesis Housing Association, to build around 600 homes on the site of Oaklands was approved on Wednesday evening. It means QPR will be involved in the first major development at Old Oak, significantly raising their hopes of being at the heart of the wider regeneration project. Oaklands, a derelict former railway workers’ hostel, is situated at the top of Old Oak Common Lane. Building work could commence later this year. The big prizeQPR’s Malaysian owners, fronted by chairman Tony Fernandes, have long been keen to develop the area between Scrubs Lane and Willesden Junction, which would be known as New Queens Park and include a new home for Rangers as part of a sporting and leisure complex. In September 2014, the club held a consultation which involved a six-day public exhibition, meetings with local groups, 50,000 newsletters being distributed and a project website being set up. There were almost 3,000 responses and 2,524 (89%) of people said they agreed with Rangers’ vision for Old Oak, while only 302 (11%) said they disagreed. In addition, 2,484 (88%) supported Old Oak as the location for a new stadium and 332 (12%) said they disagree with the idea. |
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Post by sharky on Jul 14, 2016 9:29:29 GMT
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 14, 2016 9:41:31 GMT
Summary... Not sure how this is all going to work, but my take on it is: QPR shareholders invest in housing/community development/regeneration of the Old Oak area. This 'buys' kudos for the club/shareholders, so other plans for the area (eg, a new ground) are more favourably received. Club and shareholders derive income from the project. Win-win situation??? Or is that me being too optimistic/simplistic/naive...?? |
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Post by sharky on Jul 14, 2016 13:33:40 GMT
Much the same commentary from bdaily bdaily.co.uk/business-in-sport/14-07-2016/new-qpr-stadium-a-step-closer-after-club-secure-planning-permission-at-old-oak/?New QPR stadium a step closer after club secure planning permission at Old OakBilly Wood 14 JUL 2016 Championship football club Queens Park Rangers have been granted permission to build 605 new homes in a move that brings their new stadium a step closer. The site, which is situated in West London, is part of the club’s wider investment in the Old Oak Common regeneration area, where the club has acquired a number of assets for its new stadium and associated enabling works. Working with Genesis Housing Association, the club are to build 605 homes on the site with 40% being affordable housing stock after obtaining permission from the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation last night. It marks the first major scheme approved as part of the wide-scale regeneration of the former industrial site, which is to undergo major transformation in the coming years when it becomes a major hub in the capital’s HS2 and Crossrail train network. Commenting on last night’s decision, QPR co-Chairman, Tony Fernandes, outlined the club’s vision for the area and the need to support wider infrastructure projects before the club can start planning its move from its current Loftus Road home. He said: “This is the start of long-term strategic investment for QPR at Old Oak. While our primary interest is securing the future of the club through the construction of a new stadium, we will only be able to deliver this by taking equity interests in wider regeneration projects such as Oaklands. “We are continuing to talk to the OPDC about our vision for a new stadium which will have sporting, educational and community facilities that will be used all year round.“ |
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Post by sharky on Jul 14, 2016 13:40:45 GMT
....and also from the Evening Standard www.standard.co.uk/news/london/qpr-housing-development-victory-raises-hope-for-new-stadium-a3295616.htmlQPR housing development victory raises hope for new stadiumJOANNA BOURKE, TOM POWELL 4 hours ago Approved: the 605 homes proposed for Old Oak Common alongside new offices Queens Park Rangers were last night given the green light to build 605 new homes in west London. The Championship football club hopes the £175 million development project for Old Oak Common is the first step towards building a new stadium on the site. The Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation — set up to lead the regeneration of Old Oak — gave the club and its development partner Genesis Housing Association the go-ahead for “Oaklands” at a City Hall meeting. They are being advised by Stadium Capital Developments, the firm behind the Emirates Stadium regeneration for Arsenal FC. As well as homes, of which 40 per cent are affordable, 40,000sq ft of business space will be created, with the aim of wooing technology firms to the area. There will be 120 car park spaces and more than 1,000 bike spaces. The homes — the majority of which are one- and two-bedroom — will be across a number of tower blocks on the disused former industrial land. Tony Fernandes, co-chairman of QPR, said: “This is the start of a long-term strategic investment for QPR at Old Oak and demonstrates our commitment to the area. "While our primary interest is securing the future of the club through the construction of a new stadium, we will only be able to deliver this by taking equity interests in wider regeneration projects such as Oaklands.” The development is the first significant scheme permitted in the Old Oak regeneration area — dubbed the “Canary Wharf of the West” — which will benefit from future HS2 and Crossrail stations. It was approved by a majority of five to one, overruling the objections of the Hammersmith Society which felt it was “too dense, too high and of a completely unacceptable design”. |
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Post by sharky on Jul 14, 2016 13:49:52 GMT
....and to round it off, here's what's on the Offie QPR & GENESIS HOUSING GET GO-AHEAD FOR OAKLANDSPUBLISHED 09:45 14th July 2016 by @qprfc QPR get green light for first major development at Old Oak THE Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation (OPDC) has approved its first planning application this week, giving QPR and Genesis Housing Association the go-ahead for Oaklands - a £175 million mixed use regeneration project at the top of Old Oak Common Lane in Hammersmith & Fulham. The scheme will deliver 605 new homes, 40 per cent of which will be affordable, and a new creative neighbourhood expected to attract companies from the new high tech economy providing hundreds of new jobs. Genesis and QPR have agreed to work together to deliver the first major development in the regeneration area. QPR have other strategic land interests in Old Oak and would like to build a new stadium as part of the wider development, providing a new home for the club. Tony Fernandes, QPR Co-Chairman, told http://www.qpr.co.uk: “This is the start of long term strategic investment for QPR at Old Oak and demonstrates our commitment to the area. "Whilst our primary interest is securing the future of the club through the construction of a new stadium, we will only be able to deliver this by taking equity interests in wider regeneration projects such as Oaklands. "We are continuing to talk to the OPDC about our vision for a new stadium which will have sporting, educational and community facilities that will be used all year round.” Neil Hadden, Chief Executive at Genesis Housing Association, added: "We are delighted to be part of the redevelopment of Old Oak, one of Hammersmith and Fulham's most important regeneration sites at which so many new homes will be built, of which 240 will be affordable. "We are committed to the future regeneration of Old Oak and partnerships such as the one we have with QPR will enable us to invest, not only in building new homes, but in developing new communities." The scheme will now go to the Mayor of London for final approval. Work is due to start in this financial year and would be expected to take three years to fully complete. More information is available at www.oaklandsregeneration.co.uk/index.htmlRead more at www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/qpr-old-oak-and-park-royal-development-corporation-3185656.aspx#MJm0Rdt9rCIbaWJC.99 |
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 14, 2016 14:37:03 GMT
Are we/they conflating QPR and QPR Owners? Who's the legal entity involved this buildiong?
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 14, 2016 15:08:03 GMT
Are we/they conflating QPR and QPR Owners? Who's the legal entity involved this buildiong? The answer apparently...QPR Holdings it it |
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Post by Markqpr on Jul 15, 2016 12:39:51 GMT
Car Giant and London Regional press on regardless:  This will all end up on the Secretary Of State's desk after the decision is granted as the loser has to much to lose on either side due to the sums of money on offer and the appeals process has run it's course. It's all set to rumble on for years to come before QPR Holdings changes it's name and ditches the football club. |
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Post by ki on Jul 15, 2016 13:10:24 GMT
That would be Sajid Javil?Dug out some info on him and he's on the board of Bromsgrove Rugby Club,also publicity pics of him posing with Bromsgrove FC.Seems like a down to earth sort of guy.My old non-league club Cray Wanderers(founded 1860) are sweating on a decision from him after Mayor Khan poured cold water on the planning approval for a new ground.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 26, 2016 13:55:25 GMT
Or not...... neighbournet.com/server/common/hfoldoak013.htmThe news that Queens Park Rangers Football Club and Genesis Housing Association have received planning permission for a new housing development called Oaklands on Old Oak Common Lane has sparked a new row between the football club and Cargiant boss Tony Mendes. Earlier this month, Cargiant unveiled an updated masterplan for its proposed development, Old Oak Park - on land which it currently owns, but where QPR hopes to build a new stadium. Oaklands is a separate scheme and the first of its size to be approved by the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation, or OPDC. It is set to include 605 new homes and hundreds of jobs. When announcing the planning permission for Oaklands, Tony Fernandes, QPR Co-Chairman made it clear that he saw this development as a step towards achieving the stadium, saying this was the club's 'primary interest.' In response, Tony Mendes has issued a statement headlined 'Clarity on Cargiant's Land at Old Oak Common', saying: " Following recent misleading reports that Genesis Housing Association and QPR's planning approval from the OPDC Planning Committee for a 600-home development improves the Club’s ability to deliver a stadium here we wanted to once again set out our position with regard to our land, the Cargiant site." This was followed by the re-publishing on the Old Oak Park website of a letter written to QPR supporters in March this year. In the letter, he said: " I can confirm that neither Cargiant, nor our development partner London & Regional Properties, are in any discussions with QPR and that we will not enter into any such discussions or agreements with the Club in any way, shape or form. " In short, we will never agree to a stadium on any part of our land under any circumstances and we have made that position crystal clear to the Club, the GLA and the OPDC on numerous occasions. " The reason is quite simple. A stadium would be completely the wrong use for our land. Our site is critical to the success of Old Oak Common and a stadium requires an enormous amount of land which would hugely reduce its ability to deliver new homes, jobs and other uses such as a cultural quarter – and all for a use which lies largely dormant for the vast majority of the year. " We are committed to bringing forward a masterplan that is far more sensitively designed, that has incredible parks and open spaces, and that has far greater benefits for local residents and surrounding communities than is possible with a stadium. Our approach is also backed by policy and the latest policy framework issued for consultation by the OPDC does not include a stadium on our site." Even more emphatically, the letter continues: " The statements of QPR implying that a stadium could be built on Cargiant land are at best confusing and at worse misleading. Under no circumstances will we consent to a stadium on our land. Any further work by the Club in this direction is futile." |
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Post by Bushman on Jul 26, 2016 15:03:33 GMT
Plan B Warren Farm!
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Post by harr on Aug 3, 2016 13:43:31 GMT
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Post by rangerjake on Aug 3, 2016 16:00:14 GMT
Does anyone know exactly how much of the land in question is owned by Cargiant? I'm certain it isn't all of it, but they seem to act as if they alone are to determine what is built on the whole site, but do they have control of 50% of it? 30%? 80%?
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Post by Bushman on Aug 3, 2016 16:03:25 GMT
Does anyone know exactly how much of the land in question is owned by Cargiant? I'm certain it isn't all of it, but they seem to act as if they alone are to determine what is built on the whole site, but do they have control of 50% of it? 30%? 80%? 47 acres. |
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Post by rangerjake on Aug 3, 2016 16:25:17 GMT
And what's that about half of the total?
And how many acres do you need to build a 40,000 seat stadium?
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Post by terryb on Aug 3, 2016 16:43:40 GMT
It isn't just how many acres/% that are owned by Car Giant. Or how many acres are needed to build a new stadium.
A new stadium will only be possible in certain areas of the site. It may also be that those areas are the prime site for other establishments - eg, shopping centre, train station, industrial park, hotel, etc. I would think that they would want a stadium away from the more expensive housing as well.
I don't know, but it may be that car Giant own the majority of the land that we would require to build a stadium.
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Post by sharky on Oct 15, 2017 1:43:16 GMT
Work has started on the 600 new houses QPR/Genesis project. First of three posts from the Offie rounded off with a TF tweet. TF and Ruben spruking it as the start that will end with a new stadium at Old Oak. We'll see down the track I suppose! www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/qpr-genesis-housing-get-go-ahead-for-oaklands/14/07 QPR & Genesis Housing get go-ahead for OaklandsQueens Park Rangers @qprfc THE Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation (OPDC) has approved its first planning application this week, giving QPR and Genesis Housing Association the go-ahead for Oaklands - a £175 million mixed use regeneration project at the top of Old Oak Common Lane in Hammersmith & Fulham. The scheme will deliver 605 new homes, 40 per cent of which will be affordable, and a new creative neighbourhood expected to attract companies from the new high tech economy providing hundreds of new jobs. Genesis and QPR have agreed to work together to deliver the first major development in the regeneration area. QPR have other strategic land interests in Old Oak and would like to build a new stadium as part of the wider development, providing a new home for the club. Tony Fernandes, QPR Co-Chairman, told http://www.qpr.co.uk: “This is the start of long term strategic investment for QPR at Old Oak and demonstrates our commitment to the area. "Whilst our primary interest is securing the future of the club through the construction of a new stadium, we will only be able to deliver this by taking equity interests in wider regeneration projects such as Oaklands. "We are continuing to talk to the OPDC about our vision for a new stadium which will have sporting, educational and community facilities that will be used all year round.” Neil Hadden, Chief Executive at Genesis Housing Association, added: "We are delighted to be part of the redevelopment of Old Oak, one of Hammersmith and Fulham's most important regeneration sites at which so many new homes will be built, of which 240 will be affordable. "We are committed to the future regeneration of Old Oak and partnerships such as the one we have with QPR will enable us to invest, not only in building new homes, but in developing new communities." The scheme will now go to the Mayor of London for final approval. Work is due to start in this financial year and would be expected to take three years to fully complete. |
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Post by sharky on Oct 15, 2017 1:46:57 GMT
....2nd article www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/mayor-gives-qpr-genesis-his-approval/03/08 Mayor gives QPR & Genesis his approvalIan Taylor @ijtaylor81 THE Mayor of London, Sadiq Kahn, has approved QPR and Genesis Housing Association’s plans for the first major development at Old Oak. The Oaklands development will see 605 new homes built, together with a nursery, health centre and commercial space. Forty per-cent of the homes will be affordable, and the development of a new link road into Old Oak could unlock further development north of the Grand Union canal. Sadiq Khan said: “The development marks a significant step in realising the huge potential of this part of the capital. “I am pleased that we have been able to increase the proportion of genuinely affordable homes as part of our ongoing efforts to fix the capital’s housing crisis. “The scale and ambition for this development shows London is very much open for business. Despite the uncertainty caused by the UK’s vote to leave the European Union, it remains clear that developers and investors see long-term potential in our great city.” QPR Co-Chairman Tony Fernandes welcomed the news, telling http://www.qpr.co.uk: “We are delighted that the Mayor has granted planning permissions for the Oaklands development, including hundreds of affordable homes for Londoners. “Along with our development partners Genesis Housing Association we look forward to creating this new neighbourhood, building a sustainable community where people can live, work and play. “We are committed to bringing forward other development sites in Old Oak as soon as possible to create the homes that London desperately needs. All this will help us achieve our ultimate goal, which is to secure the future of the club through the construction of a new stadium with sporting, community and educational facilities.” Neil Hadden, Chief Executive at Genesis Housing Association, added: “We are delighted that the redevelopment at Oaklands, in one of Hammersmith and Fulham’s most important regeneration sites, has been approved. We will now be able to provide hundreds more affordable homes for Londoners on a once derelict site. “Partnerships such as the one we have with QPR enable us to invest, not only in building new homes, but in developing new communities.” Loftus Road is currently the fourth smallest ground in the Championship and only the ninth biggest in London. QPR is working with Stadium Capital Holdings (SCH) to secure the future of the club through the construction of a new stadium with sporting, community and educational facilities. SCH delivered the Emirates Stadium regeneration, which included 3,500 new home and ‘The Studios’ – an innovative complex of flexible business space aimed at the hi-tech and creative sectors. |
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Post by sharky on Oct 15, 2017 1:49:19 GMT
....3rd article - work commences www.qpr.co.uk/videos/features/oaklands/Video here QPR co-chairmen Tony Fernandes and Ruben Gnanalingam earlier this month welcomed Deputy Mayor for Housing James Murray to the Oaklands regeneration site on Old Oak Common Lane, where work has begun on 600 new homes in a joint venture between QPR and Genesis Housing Association. The regeneration – the first major development in the Old Oak area – is part of a plan to secure QPR’s long term future by finding a sustainable new home for the club. |
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Post by sharky on Oct 15, 2017 1:50:19 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 15, 2017 8:38:15 GMT
I sure would like the club to fully explain who owns what and where the money will be coming from and going to
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