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Post by timewaster on Dec 28, 2015 20:50:22 GMT
Maybe our managers have watched Barcelona and Spain from a few years ago playing 4-6-0 and think we can play like them.
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Post by harr on Dec 28, 2015 21:07:18 GMT
Why are the club persisting with a 4-6-0 formation even at home? Chris Ramsey played it, the new guys is playing it. Is it Sir Les's idea? I'm starting to think this Andy. Its all too much of a coincidence, its either Les or even more of worry someone else's idea. Horrid football again 30% posession at home to Huddersfield. Awful football. |
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Post by sharky on Dec 28, 2015 22:34:00 GMT
He played a 4-2-3-1 formation according to the Offie app with Phillips as the lone striker. Obviously didn't work. He'll have to try a variety of different combinations to see which work for him. Unfortunately that takes time and is the reason you don't change managers too often.
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Post by harr on Dec 28, 2015 22:42:30 GMT
Whatever formation he chose it was the wrong one to beat a team that had a horrendous away record. More points thrown away, hope we havnt thrown away so that theres not enough to get over 52. The sooner we get another 6 / 7'wins the better. We have 22 games left . www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:19/type:home-and-away/Only 4 teams in the League worse than us now over 19 games. Last 19 games since September 20 points LDDLWLdWLLdLWWdDDLD LDDLWLdWLL. dLWW. dDDLD (RAMSEY 9 points from 9). (WARNOCK 7 points from 4). (JFH 4 points from 5) 4 wins in 19 games, 3 different Managers We carry on this form it wont be that easy to stay up. We dont have MK Dons , Rotherham and Bolton at home this time either, we have to go away to them. |
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Post by londonranger on Dec 28, 2015 22:53:59 GMT
Have we fallen into a Maelstrom?
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Post by harr on Dec 28, 2015 23:02:00 GMT
Have we fallen into a Maelstrom? Well there's certainly lots of hot air and wind about our team, so maybe. |
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 0:24:11 GMT
He played a 4-2-3-1 formation according to the Offie app with Phillips as the lone striker. Obviously didn't work. He'll have to try a variety of different combinations to see which work for him. Unfortunately that takes time and is the reason you don't change managers too often. Fer was lone striker. |
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Post by timewaster on Dec 29, 2015 0:27:42 GMT
He played a 4-2-3-1 formation according to the Offie app with Phillips as the lone striker. Obviously didn't work. He'll have to try a variety of different combinations to see which work for him. Unfortunately that takes time and is the reason you don't change managers too often. Fer was lone striker. Hi stranger We are getting worse every week |
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 0:40:33 GMT
Hi stranger We are getting worse every week Yes Andy. Terrible shit, and its getting worse. Only bright side of the season is when Warnock came back and dropped those waste of space players. |
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Post by harr on Dec 29, 2015 0:57:14 GMT
Hi stranger We are getting worse every week Yes Andy. Terrible shite, and its getting worse. Only bright side of the season is when Warnock came back and dropped those waste of space players. Hi Maude, hope your well. Shame he didnt stay a bit longer, must of had his reasons but was never going to work with LF . |
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 0:57:40 GMT
Hasslewank .
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 0:59:59 GMT
Yes Andy. Terrible shitee, and its getting worse. Only bright side of the season is when Warnock came back and dropped those waste of space players. Hi Maude, hope your well. Shame he didnt stay a bit longer, must of had his reasons but was never going to work with LF . All good B. I can't buy into that Warnock time is gone stuff. He could of done a job. |
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Post by timewaster on Dec 29, 2015 1:04:29 GMT
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 1:08:45 GMT
No good Fer nothing.
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 1:15:02 GMT
Austin where'd he go.
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Post by timewaster on Dec 29, 2015 1:19:33 GMT
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Post by maude on Dec 29, 2015 1:24:03 GMT
That's the problem with new managers. They take time to work out who's who, what they can do and get the players playing to their style. It doesn't take 4 games, it takes up to 4 months, but knowing us, we'll only allow JFH a couple of months, fire him and the failure cycle will continue! Let the man experiment. He has to find out who's best for his plans. Experiment with tozcer and henry and with no striker ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 8:52:01 GMT
Get rid of Fer and Phillips 1st opportunity . Fer isn't interested and Phillips is just a shockingly bad player who apart from a couple of months last season hasn't delivered .
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Post by harr on Dec 29, 2015 9:29:44 GMT
All of our striker problems could have been helped with giving a settled striker a few quid more rather than paying over a million for Poulter and keeping Bobby Z.
One of the most ludicrous decisions at QPR in the last decade.
Ferdinand is not blame free by a long chalk.
Taking all summer and failing to buy any defenders until pure desperation.
All the crap with Zarate and signing players like Perch, Tozser , Gobern.
Every game you start with Tozser and Fer, as far as im concerned, it's like having blinkers over your eyes.
Lazy and poor, whilst you have replacements that barely get game time, beyond belief.
Whilst all this season goes on, sadly I lose respect for the players that just cant be arsed, TF / board and Ferdinand, they all have parts to play.
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Post by sharky on Dec 29, 2015 9:44:51 GMT
So I suppose you wouldn't say Fer he's a jolly good fellow then! |
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Post by terryb on Dec 29, 2015 17:42:40 GMT
Why are the club persisting with a 4-6-0 formation even at home? Chris Ramsey played it, the new guys is playing it. Is it Sir Les's idea? Are you forgetting that Warnock also played it? I doubt that Ferdinand would have had any say in that. Perhaps, the answer is that they think Phillips & Fer will achieve more than the alternatives. I might even follow that thinking if it wasn't those two involved! I would be very happy if I never saw either wearing a Rangers shirt again! I expect they will both start against hull though! |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 29, 2015 17:53:01 GMT
What ever happened to the days when we played 3 up front? 4-3-3. Oh that's right, we came 2nd in Div. 1.
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Post by timewaster on Dec 29, 2015 18:48:24 GMT
What ever happened to the days when we played 3 up front? 4-3-3. Oh that's right, we came 2nd in Div. 1. We could of started with Philips, Polter and JET up front  |
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Post by FloridaR on Dec 29, 2015 23:33:22 GMT
Wasn't last 15 on Saturday that JFH played 2 strikers on field ?
Lots good comments on the thread.
I want to give JFH a chance as he appears to be a better professional than Ramsey.
JFH rolling contact employment hasn't helped settle many fans in this transition period and if its just a case of JFH taking over as a Coach from Ramsey and continuing then as soon as many recent disgruntled Ramsey fans twig on then I fear JFH could have a very short life at QPR.
No doubt 4-2-3-1 is a solid formation but doesn't suit this group of players, week after week same players as last year on the team-sheet in same system of play, makes me think either its something in club policy to play 4-2-3-1 and another factor could be that the same players from last season have something wrote into their contract guaranteeing games or X amount games a season (this could be a factor why no strikers are being played).
If things turn bad to worse over next 30 days with the transfer period affecting the players motivation I could see the R's dropping right down to near foot of table for couple of months & at that point I think the noise would be deafening toward Les Ferdinand.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 30, 2015 17:31:47 GMT
He is better than ramsey but I am wondering why he has stuck with such a negative positional line up as such.
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Post by Dufster on Jan 1, 2016 10:53:10 GMT
Interesting stat on Sky this morning. They have a league table of 94 clubs in the league based on all their league results during the 2015 calendar year. Top of the league are Burton (under JFH) with an average of 2.15 points per game, just ahead of Arsenal on 2.13 ppg with Middlesboro third on 2.02 ppg. The only 3 clubs to average more than 2 points per game. We are 83rd on 0.98 ppg and bottom of the league (where they belong) are Aston Villa on 0.66 ppg. Maybe that's how they selected JFH as our new man? That statistic is totally made and owned by Ferdinand IMO... there's a benchmark for you!! |
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Post by marshbowles10 on Jan 1, 2016 11:19:57 GMT
I think all of us that go to games remain surprised at the formation, especially at home.
There also appears to be lack of learning from previous games. It is obvious that Matt Phillips is not a lone striker. It has been tried a number of times and it doesn't work. He doesn't hold the ball well with his back to goal to bring in other players. He doesn't make the correct runs into danger areas. I see no justification for continuing the experiment, it has failed.
I believe that JFH said we were 'unlucky' against Huddersfield. I thought we were 'lucky' and their equaliser was fully deserved. To not play a recognised striker at home I feel is an insult to the paying public.
Today I'm voting with my feet by not going despite being a ST holder.
After 50+ years of support, I'm starting to fall out of love with QPR.
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Post by harr on Jan 1, 2016 11:32:12 GMT
I think all of us that go to games remain surprised at the formation, especially at home. There also appears to be lack of learning from previous games. It is obvious that Matt Phillips is not a lone striker. It has been tried a number of times and it doesn't work. He doesn't hold the ball well with his back to goal to bring in other players. He doesn't make the correct runs into danger areas. I see no justification for continuing the experiment, it has failed. I believe that JFH said we were 'unlucky' against Huddersfield. I thought we were 'lucky' and their equaliser was fully deserved. To not play a recognised striker at home I feel is an insult to the paying public. Today I'm voting with my feet by not going despite being a ST holder. After 50+ years of support, I'm starting to fall out of love with QPR. I agree and think Huddersfield deserved minimum a draw MarshB for outplaying us for an hour. I think we have to be realistic now, we have two more seasons to try and get back up with parachute payment after this one. If we dont manage it by 2017-18 we might well be in the Championship for a long long time. Maybe thats just our level but hopefully the football will be better and we are actually playing Strikers rather than a team with six Midfielders. |
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Post by timewaster on Jan 1, 2016 19:08:55 GMT
bump
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Post by nomar on Jan 1, 2016 19:16:30 GMT
I said before, getting a new manager won't make any difference.
Pish poor club badly run and with no discernible identity or footballing philosophy. No team ethic and too many overpaid players who think they're better than they really are.
New manager means naff all without those elements in place first.
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