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Post by harr on Nov 26, 2015 7:46:10 GMT
Maybe these ? Championship 2013/14 W D W W L W W D W W L W W W L W W L L D W W W W W W W W W D D W W W W D D W D W L D W W W W 102 pts Or even these Prem 2014/15 D L D W W L D L L L L D L L L L L L W D W L L L L D L D L W W W W L W W D W 41 pts And that last 9 game run has continued into this season. I'm ok with unstable, its inexperienced and clueless I worry about. #Ramsey You're missing the point, Harr. Hughes, Warnock and Redknapp were all good managers too, and you could argue that all 3 are and were better than Pearson is now or ever will be. But they all, ultimately, failed here. This is the crux of the problem. As I've repeatedly said on here, any and all of the managers quoted here and by the bookies are no doubt good managers in their own right. But good managers come here and fail because the club is a shambles and the people running it have absolutely zero effing clue about how to do so with any discernible degree of competency. Pearson could have the best CV in the world but what on earth will make him succeed here now when others better than him and with arguably more money to spend failed? I really have a hard time believing that any manager can come in here and make it work based on the track record this board has of stuffing it up. Warnock prospered when Saksena and Amit instead of Briatore were allowed to run the show and, as people genuinely with QPR's best interests at heart, they left Neil alone to do it. As soon as 'Uncle Tone' came in the problems, bad decision making and crass stupidity returned and it has regrettably stayed that way to this very day. Again, the club appear to be going for the flavour of the month appointment now rather than using this time to actually take a step back and sort themselves out. There will be plenty more like Rowett, Hasselbaink and Pearson in May, June and July next year and all of them will be only too happy to take QPR's money in the belief they can make the club successful again. But this club is now at a major crossroad and it has one of two choices. Keep repeating the same mistakes in the hope that, somehow, this time you get it right despite all the evidence that tells you that you won't. Or, leave it as it is and give yourself time to fix the long standing problems before jumping back into the 'new manager pond' again. Let Warnock manage the club till the end of the season knowing its in safe hands and has a manager who knows the club, its owners, its fans and all the problems associated with it. Then, take stock of your position in May next year when you know what league you're in, what players you still have to work with and you can decide what philosophy you want to embrace. The manger you pick then should be the one who best fits what you want your club to be. Fans talk about Pearson or Hasselbaink or Rowett and all they want to do is look at the manager's win/loss record as their guide. Which is exactly what this club keeps doing and is a major reason why it keeps falling on its face. What QPR should be doing is asking itself what the hell kind of club QPR actually wants to be and how it intends to get there. The manager that's then right for us isn't necessarily the one with the best win loss ratio but the one who most matches our values and has proven he can work well in the environment we're going to be putting him into. None of that seems to be high on the list of priorities that the club are using to choose the new man here and its the reason why I have zero excitement for what I genuinely feel is going to be another managerial fiasco. On the basis of this post then, resign Ramsey or give the job to Powell. You have to see who is performing at the moment, Pearson and Rowett. We have a good squad of players for this Division, just need managing properly. Ramsey was unable to do it, many others would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 7:58:35 GMT
Who ever is appointed the reaction on here and other boards is going to be the same. Some will say it is a disaster some will say it is a bad choice some will say it may work out some will say it is the right choice some will be undecided some will want an "out" thread some will want a "stay" thread. That's the nature of message boards but to see that the topic has already run to 10 pages just on speculation of who it may be is amazing. the fact that the club is taking its time (quite rightly imo) helps keep this going. My concern is that all of this is just a symptom of a deeper problem - to steal some words from the BBC the club has lost its soul - just like Bolton. Read this www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34922656 |
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 26, 2015 10:21:17 GMT
All sounds very reasonable Nomar, but with what is hinted at as some serious personal matters to deal with, is Warnock's heart in it at the moment ? Would it be better for him - and for us - to appoint someone sooner rather than later?
We've had a good few weeks to look around and consider options, and there are some reasonable people available (or seemingly available, even if they're in jobs at the moment).
And maybe, with Ruben Gnanalingham now co-chairman of the club, the decision-making process might be more stringent?
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Post by harr on Nov 26, 2015 10:28:01 GMT
All sounds very reasonable Nomar, but with what is hinted at as some serious personal matters to deal with, is Warnock's heart in it at the moment ? Would it be better for him - and for us - to appoint someone sooner rather than later? We've had a good few weeks to look around and consider options, and there are some reasonable people available (or seemingly available, even if they're in jobs at the moment). And maybe, with Ruben Gnanalingham now co-chairman of the club, the decision-making process might be more stringent? I think the hold up is more to do with Fernandes coming to the UK for 3-4 weeks in a few days time. Maybe he has to have some input. NW probably wants Les F job rather than the Managers job, he doesnt really want to manage again though does he? He has stated this a few times ? Whoever they appoint wont please everyone true but if they employ someone else wet behind the ears they will only have themselves to blame yet again. |
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Post by sharky on Nov 26, 2015 11:40:07 GMT
To be frank I'm over all this. I don't care who they choose. I don't care if they choose nobody as it doesn't seem to matter. In a few months time they'll get rid of whoever is in charge and start again. It's all very disheartening.
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Post by nomar on Nov 26, 2015 15:00:15 GMT
You do realise your suggestion about keeping the interim manager until the end of the season and decide a permanent manager in May is exactly what happened when we ended up with Ramsey. You do realise sacking a manager and replacing him with the next hopeful saviour is what this club keeps doing and repeatedly failing? |
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Post by sharky on Nov 26, 2015 15:32:22 GMT
From getwestlondon www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-favourite-believes-former-leicester-10503685QPR favourite believes former Leicester boss is perfect for job 06:00, 26 Nov 2015 By Tom Moore Ephraim believes Nigel Pearson or Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink will be best choices for Rangers Former QPR favourite Hogan Ephraim believes Rangers should pull out all the stops to try and bring in Nigel Pearson to Loftus Road. The forward, who spent six years at the club and helped them win promotion to the Premier League in 2011, doesn't think popular choice Brendan Rodgers would step down to the Championship after his spell at Liverpool. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink has also caught the 27-year-old's eye but feels Pearson would be a perfect fit at Loftus Road as a replacement for former boss Chris Ramsey. He said: “I'd go for Pearson first and maybe Hasselbaink next. What Pearson did with Leicester was brilliant. “There are a few things that stand out for managers when I look at them. “One, their style of play. I like his style of play. It's high pressing with a lot of energy. They keep the ball well. “Second, their signings. Pearson signed Mahrez and Jamie Vardy. He's signed those two players and they could go for £40-50million in January combined. “I think he fits all round. He doesn't take any nonsense. I think he'd be a perfect fit.” He added: “I can't see Brendan Rodgers going to the Championship. I'd be amazed to see it happen but if it was feasible, he'd be my first choice.” Ephraim believes Hasselbaink would be a good choice for Rangers after an excellent spell in charge of Burton Albion but the Dutchman's lack of experience is a nagging doubt in his mind. He explained: “Hasselbaink has had a season and a half and that's the risk. However, he's done extremely well in that season and a half.” That said, Ephraim is concerned that if QPR make the wrong appointment it would be some time before they were rubbing shoulders with England's elite again. He explained: “I fear if they don't get this appointment right and they don't get promoted soon, I can see them spending a few years in the Championship at best or even worse.” |
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Post by sharky on Nov 26, 2015 15:35:54 GMT
....and from London 24 www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/fulham/odds_slashed_on_championship_boss_making_fulham_switch_but_qpr_wait_goes_on_1_4326322Odds slashed on Championship boss making Fulham switch but QPR wait goes on11:30 26 November 2015 Pete Evans Gary Rowett is 1/3 to be Fulham’s next manager after a flurry of bets during the last 24 hours but QPR are no closer to appointing a Chris Ramsey replacement. The 41-year-old has been in charge of Birmingham for just over a year and has helped them to sixth place in the Championship ahead of this weekend’s round of games. However his stay at St Andrews looks to be over with Skybet offering odds of 1/3 on Thursday morning that Fulham make him the replacement for Welshman Kit Symons. Nigel Pearson is the second favourite at a lengthy 7/1, ahead of Alan Curbishley (8/1) and Steve Holland (12/1). In contrast the bookies still don’t know who QPR will be appointing. Neil Warnock remains in caretaker charge of Rangers with Burton manager Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink currently the 5/6 favourite. Warnock himself is 12/1 while former Charlton boss Chris Powell is 33/1 despite being linked with the role on Thursday. |
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 26, 2015 18:09:06 GMT
Rowett now 1/6 for Fulham...
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Post by harr on Nov 26, 2015 18:14:16 GMT
If Fulham get Rowett they have a good Manager there and if we end up with Powell etc will be another huge TF and board fcuk up.
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Post by Roller on Nov 26, 2015 20:03:41 GMT
I actually can't think of anyone, from the realistic list, who I want to be our next manager/head coach. At least Tim Sherwood would manage to unite the fan base  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:50:48 GMT
Why can't they just get on with it ? Some of the names mentioned are just diabolical , Powell ? Might as well have stuck with Ramsey !  |
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Post by harr on Nov 26, 2015 22:36:50 GMT
Didnt think he wanted it? |
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 26, 2015 22:39:16 GMT
WHo knows if the Mirror is right though.
I would have liked Derry as his assistant if this is happening
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Post by harr on Nov 26, 2015 22:41:51 GMT
WHo knows if the Mirror is right though. I would have liked Derry as his assistant if this is happening If he has won a struggle where does that leave Ferdinand. A report also today say doubtful if CR stays at the club. |
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Post by egranger on Nov 27, 2015 0:15:23 GMT
Will NW be at the game on Saturday - has he been taking training this week after missing Friday night?
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Post by steptoesson on Nov 27, 2015 0:24:59 GMT
Thing is if we do get a new manager he comes knowing he will have to build a new squad next season. Lets face it we are not going to challenge the top six this season. Which means we will ship out at least 10 of the current squad. If the new manager has survived until this point, he then will have to be given the chance for his team to gel next season. If we have a bad start the threads will be red hot again, with fans demanding his head on a platter.
I only wanted Ramsey out as it was clear he and we had no future the way things were going. But I would have the patience for a new manager to build something of his own, problem being the fans and board in general do not seem to have any patience.
TF went down the Hollywood route, he wanted the glitter, the glamour, the accolades, the applause and adulation of the masses. That script he had looked a blockbuster for sure. The cast of actors looked impressive on paper, even the couple of directors he went through had pedigree. Then came the troubles. The cast had some troubles getting along, others could not believe the sums being paid for their services and just gave the bare minimum. Some who thought they were the stars of the show and it was all about them just gave up when the chips were down. Artistic differences came to the fore, and people started to pull in different direction until all direction seemed lost. Behind the scenes things started to crumble. Money was thrown at the project but this just made things worse. Replacements were bought in but no better.
Then finally the sets crashed and burned and the whole project flopped. We was promised a blockbuster. But ended up with a B-movie that was not even fit for release for DVD. They say he has a new script this TF fella. Lets hope he understands now, before you can dream of Hollywood you gotta start off at the old vic and work at that dream of Hollywood stardom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 5:05:44 GMT
Neil Warnock is an absolute legend but I don't think even he can turn this sorry bunch around . I just hope that this doesn't diminish his previous achievements whatever happens , I actually think now that we are treading a fine line between mid table mediocrity and relegation as I don't believe some of this current bunch actually care either way .
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Post by Roller on Nov 27, 2015 7:23:07 GMT
Why can't they just get on with it ? Some of the names mentioned are just diabolical , Powell ? Might as well have stuck with Ramsey ! Perhaps they are, just no one wants to come to our managers' graveyard anymore. |
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Post by harr on Nov 27, 2015 7:34:47 GMT
According to some reports Powell has had a second interview, on his third he gets a three year deal and free flights for a year .  Maybe the deal with FFP is our punishment is we have to sign another shite manager? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 7:49:43 GMT
Why can't they just get on with it ? Some of the names mentioned are just diabolical , Powell ? Might as well have stuck with Ramsey ! Agree about some of the names but remember the people naming names are social media, message boards and press speculation.
I have not seen the club name a list of candidates. They did say from the start there would be no rush appointment and Warnock said he would being charge of 'boro and Leeds, so I have never expected an appointment before tomorrow.
No doubt in my mind that they are getting on with it but doing it properly for a change and not going public or interviewing via the press.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 27, 2015 11:49:23 GMT
David McIntyre West London Sport QPR to make their move for Hasselbaink By David McIntyre 27/11/2015 QPR: Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink QPR plan to approach Burton Albion for permission to speak to Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink next week. The former Chelsea striker, 43, is keen to return to London and wants to take over at Loftus Road, where Neil Warnock is currently in interim charge. Dutchman Hasselbaink, whose playing career also included spells at Leeds, Middlesbrough and Charlton, has spent a year as Burton boss. He previously spent a year as manager of Belgian club Royal Antwerp, where he rejected a new contract in order to pursue jobs in England. Burton won the League Two title under Hasselbaink last season and are currently third in the League One table. He took over from Gary Rowett, who left to join Birmingham City and has been targeted by QPR but is in line for the vacant managerial job at Fulham. QPR co-chairman Ruben Gnanalingam Gnanalingam is set to meet Hasselbaink next week Rangers have spoken to several out-of-work managers, including Chris Powell, who was recently sacked by Huddersfield, and remain in contact with other potential candidates. However, Hasselbaink has emerged as their preferred choice now that Rowett appears to be out of their reach. A number of current Championship managers were also briefly considered, including MK Dons’ Karl Robinson, but QPR’s owners, who will make the final decision on an appointment, were unenthused and Hasselbaink is in pole position. He is set to hold talks with Ruben Gnanalingam next week, when the Rangers co-chairman is due to be in London. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-to-make-their-move-for-hasselbaink |
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Post by harr on Nov 27, 2015 13:18:31 GMT
Great a Manager that has never even managed a game in Championship and took over a good Rowett team. No Pearson, No Rowett.  |
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 27, 2015 13:23:45 GMT
And without even the excuse of needing to appoint somebody.
Whoever we appoint should be a clear step up over Warnock
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Post by Marc on Nov 27, 2015 13:53:29 GMT
Great a Manager that has never even managed a game in Championship and took over a good Rowett team. No Pearson, No Rowett. Wonder how Birmingham fans felt when they appointed Rowett. A manager who had only managed 1 team, and a league 2 team at that, and failed at 2 attempts to get them promoted. Obviously had never even managed a league 1 team, let alone a Championship one. Now, let's have a look at JFH taking over a good "Rowett" team. Rowett started off last season with a barnstorming run of 6 wins and 1 draw in the 1st 7 games. His next 8 games though yielded 3 wins and 5 defeats. JFH then took over and, in his 30 games in charge that season, got 19 wins, 8 draws and only 3 defeats, winning League 2 and achieving promotion by 10 points. Now, if JFH had taken over the team in say, March and just guided the on the path already set by the previous incumbent, then I'd say you may have a case for saying he did it because of Rowett but he did it over 2/3 of the season. They also sit in 3rd place in league one at over a 3rd of the way into the season. Rowett took the Birmingham job on October 27th 2014 so it's been 13 months. How long do you credit one manager's success to the previous one? So surely, as Birmingham took an unproven league 2 manager and achieved some form of success, surely we should be willing to support our club in taking on a league 1 manage with some success behind him? |
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Post by nomar on Nov 27, 2015 14:29:33 GMT
As MacIntyre keeps pointing out, the experienced manager route has really worked well the last few years.
If its JFH it has to be because his philosophy matches what the club wants to be about and not just because he's the brightest new manager that hasn't yet had a failure on his record.
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Post by harr on Nov 27, 2015 14:40:27 GMT
Great a Manager that has never even managed a game in Championship and took over a good Rowett team. No Pearson, No Rowett. Wonder how Birmingham fans felt when they appointed Rowett. A manager who had only managed 1 team, and a league 2 team at that, and failed at 2 attempts to get them promoted. Obviously had never even managed a league 1 team, let alone a Championship one. Now, let's have a look at JFH taking over a good "Rowett" team. Rowett started off last season with a barnstorming run of 6 wins and 1 draw in the 1st 7 games. His next 8 games though yielded 3 wins and 5 defeats. JFH then took over and, in his 30 games in charge that season, got 19 wins, 8 draws and only 3 defeats, winning League 2 and achieving promotion by 10 points. Now, if JFH had taken over the team in say, March and just guided the on the path already set by the previous incumbent, then I'd say you may have a case for saying he did it because of Rowett but he did it over 2/3 of the season. They also sit in 3rd place in league one at over a 3rd of the way into the season. Rowett took the Birmingham job on October 27th 2014 so it's been 13 months. How long do you credit one manager's success to the previous one? So surely, as Birmingham took an unproven league 2 manager and achieved some form of success, surely we should be willing to support our club in taking on a league 1 manage with some success behind him? Fair enough points . Where we sit today would still prefer someone that had managed in the Championship. Rowett has, JFH hasnt. Whilst Pearson is probably a no go because of someone else at our club, only at QPR the best candidate cant even be considered . Or is that Pearsons fault. |
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Post by Marc on Nov 27, 2015 14:49:11 GMT
Wonder how Birmingham fans felt when they appointed Rowett. A manager who had only managed 1 team, and a league 2 team at that, and failed at 2 attempts to get them promoted. Obviously had never even managed a league 1 team, let alone a Championship one. Now, let's have a look at JFH taking over a good "Rowett" team. Rowett started off last season with a barnstorming run of 6 wins and 1 draw in the 1st 7 games. His next 8 games though yielded 3 wins and 5 defeats. JFH then took over and, in his 30 games in charge that season, got 19 wins, 8 draws and only 3 defeats, winning League 2 and achieving promotion by 10 points. Now, if JFH had taken over the team in say, March and just guided the on the path already set by the previous incumbent, then I'd say you may have a case for saying he did it because of Rowett but he did it over 2/3 of the season. They also sit in 3rd place in league one at over a 3rd of the way into the season. Rowett took the Birmingham job on October 27th 2014 so it's been 13 months. How long do you credit one manager's success to the previous one? So surely, as Birmingham took an unproven league 2 manager and achieved some form of success, surely we should be willing to support our club in taking on a league 1 manage with some success behind him? Fair enough points . Where we sit today would still prefer someone that had managed in the Championship. Rowett has, JFH hasnt. Whilst Pearson is probably a no go because of someone else at our club, only at QPR the best candidate cant even be considered . Or is that Pearsons fault. TBH, I'd prefer the right candidate. Rowett has done well but only in a short period of time. Looks like he isn't available so probably a moot point anyway. As for Pearson, he seems to piss people off wherever he goes so draw your own conclusions. There has been a glut of Championship vacancies and he doesn't appear to have been considered for any of them. Is that because he's holding out for a prem job, is on a self-declared sabatacle or no-one wants to touch him with a mile long bargepole? Who knows! |
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 27, 2015 15:09:19 GMT
If the ownership and Les Ferdinand, think J F H is "THE Guy" - Fine appoint him.
But don't make excuses for that appointment
Don't change the terms of reference for the new manager.
And take responsibility for you actions in appointing a series of managers and all the rest
And please, please, please: When announcing his appointment don't give all the fluff about his "Playing at the Top Level" or "Playing for Holland."
It's totally irrelevant: Focus on his coaching managing...
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Post by harr on Nov 27, 2015 15:38:35 GMT
Fair enough points . Where we sit today would still prefer someone that had managed in the Championship. Rowett has, JFH hasnt. Whilst Pearson is probably a no go because of someone else at our club, only at QPR the best candidate cant even be considered . Or is that Pearsons fault. TBH, I'd prefer the right candidate. Rowett has done well but only in a short period of time. Looks like he isn't available so probably a moot point anyway. As for Pearson, he seems to piss people off wherever he goes so draw your own conclusions. There has been a glut of Championship vacancies and he doesn't appear to have been considered for any of them. Is that because he's holding out for a prem job, is on a self-declared sabatacle or no-one wants to touch him with a mile long bargepole? Who knows! I think he is holding out for a Prem team and ge will have a choice of 2-3 by Christmas. Swansea will be in there with another couple. |
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