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Post by eusebio13 on Nov 25, 2014 8:46:43 GMT
I must agree London most of the away game performances have been dreadful , nothing really has improved from away performances in the Prem going back to Hughes and Redknapp in 2012-13 Six defeats , make that seven with that pathetic loss at Burton . Still Fernades seems happy with things, seeing we have four points more than what Hughes did . Still Hughes had to play Hill,Derry,SWP,Diakite,Mbia and others. When you look at the two teams , it makes you wonder how many points Hughes or Warnock might have had with Redknapps team . Hughes more than four, without doubt. Warnock already had 15 pts at this stage, so might have had nearer twenty. We have to beat Leicester and Burnley now, home draws wouldn't be enough. That's an interesting piece of revisionism...Hughes was really a great manager let down by having to play bad players (3 of whom he bought)...I think the away performance at Newcastle was fairly solid and had we had Vargas & Isla we'd have had more threat. Home form has been unrecognisable better than Warnock's or Hughes teams. We all know we need points in the next 4-5 games but a couple of wins and I'm sure we'll be away.
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2014 11:37:22 GMT
I must agree London most of the away game performances have been dreadful , nothing really has improved from away performances in the Prem going back to Hughes and Redknapp in 2012-13 Six defeats , make that seven with that pathetic loss at Burton . Still Fernades seems happy with things, seeing we have four points more than what Hughes did . Still Hughes had to play Hill,Derry,SWP,Diakite,Mbia and others. When you look at the two teams , it makes you wonder how many points Hughes or Warnock might have had with Redknapps team . Hughes more than four, without doubt. Warnock already had 15 pts at this stage, so might have had nearer twenty. We have to beat Leicester and Burnley now, home draws wouldn't be enough. That's an interesting piece of revisionism...Hughes was really a great manager let down by having to play bad players (3 of whom he bought)...I think the away performance at Newcastle was fairly solid and had we had Vargas & Isla we'd have had more threat. Home form has been unrecognisable better than Warnock's or Hughes teams. We all know we need points in the next 4-5 games but a couple of wins and I'm sure we'll be away. Really just saying the level of player has improved and funds available too ,in Redknapps favour, you may disagree Eus ? I thought Warnock/ Fernades bought SWP Hill and Derry ? Mbia and Diakite we under Hughes regime for sure, who wanted them heaven knows. Wasnt Hughes still left with Others like Bothroyd, Park etc ? One things for sure we are still underachieving, mainly due to our away form but let's not forget we have taken one point from Hull and Stoke at home aswell, two teams that will probably finish in the bottom 8 with us Burnley,Leicester,Palace,Sunderland and WBA. But I suppose when you look at it that we took 7 points against Hull,Stoke,Sunderland and Villa and that's pretty good at home . If we had got 4-5 points away from home we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Theres really not 1 away game I thought we looked like we was going to win . We looked in Awe of Spurs and Man U , Man U were there for a real go at the time. Spurs have lost to Newcastle,WBA and Stoke at Home . West Ham and Southampton we were poor, we had a good second half at Southampton but could easily have been 3-4 down at halftime. West Ham was dire . Chelsea we put in a sterling effort to get a draw . Newcastle - I don't agree was solid . They had a very injury hit team out . That's the sort of game we need to get something from. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the bottom 3-4 teams turns Newcastle over in the next few games at all . We didn't do enough in my opinion but maybe I have set my sights to high ?
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Post by sharky on Nov 25, 2014 14:02:21 GMT
"maybe I have set my sights too high"
I think you have harr
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2014 14:54:19 GMT
"maybe I have set my sights too high" I think you have harr I had sort of hoped for 12-13 points by now if totally honest Sharky. Maybe that was a bit unrealistic but I did say in July we would finish 17th so who knows . We are not many pts behind 17 th At this moment left feeling a little flat, quite prepared for Harry to stay until May but he needs to sort out the away form sharpish. He is doing better than Hughes 12 games though, doubling up on Hughes 4 points with 8 that's a positive of sorts. We have also in comparison scored 2 more goals than Hughes Team did in his first 12 games. 11 goals this year v 9 before. But when it comes to defence , nothing has improved Hughes leaked in 23 goals , so has Redknapp this season. Dont they say in Football build from the back ?? If we leak 2 goals a game going to be hard staying up but maybe we can, who knows anythings possible .
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Post by corndog on Nov 25, 2014 17:45:33 GMT
That's an interesting piece of revisionism...Hughes was really a great manager let down by having to play bad players (3 of whom he bought)...I think the away performance at Newcastle was fairly solid and had we had Vargas & Isla we'd have had more threat. Home form has been unrecognisable better than Warnock's or Hughes teams. We all know we need points in the next 4-5 games but a couple of wins and I'm sure we'll be away. Really just saying the level of player has improved and funds available too ,in Redknapps favour, you may disagree Eus ? I thought Warnock/ Fernades bought SWP Hill and Derry ? Mbia and Diakite we under Hughes regime for sure, who wanted them heaven knows. Wasnt Hughes still left with Others like Bothroyd, Park etc ? When Hughes first arrived and kept us up, you could definitely argue the squad wasn't the strongest, although I would say after several additions made in the January transfer window, it was comparable. As far as the squad Hughes had in the 12-13 season, this team has a much lower wage bill. Zamora resigned for 15k a week, and besides Sandro(not sure what he is getting paid) no one signed makes more than 40-45k a week. As far as lesser players like Park, Mbia, Diakite, Bosworthless and SWP, those players were all on 60,000 a week or more(I think Park was on 80) , yeah they played like lesser players, but they weren't paid like it. Also the other massive wages with I am betting the wage bill for the current team is not much more than half of what it was in the last season we went down. Now you have a point with Warnock, he didn't have the time to get the players he wanted and had to get what he needed in a week, obviously leading to some bad decisions and not enough time to get quality players for the right price. So, you have a very good point with Warnock, but not Hughes at all.
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2014 19:29:53 GMT
Really just saying the level of player has improved and funds available too ,in Redknapps favour, you may disagree Eus ? I thought Warnock/ Fernades bought SWP Hill and Derry ? Mbia and Diakite we under Hughes regime for sure, who wanted them heaven knows. Wasnt Hughes still left with Others like Bothroyd, Park etc ? When Hughes first arrived and kept us up, you could definitely argue the squad wasn't the strongest, although I would say after several additions made in the January transfer window, it was comparable. As far as the squad Hughes had in the 12-13 season, this team has a much lower wage bill. Zamora resigned for 15k a week, and besides Sandro(not sure what he is getting paid) no one signed makes more than 40-45k a week. As far as lesser players like Park, Mbia, Diakite, Bosworthless and SWP, those players were all on 60,000 a week or more(I think Park was on 80) , yeah they played like lesser players, but they weren't paid like it. Also the other massive wages with I am betting the wage bill for the current team is not much more than half of what it was in the last season we went down. Now you have a point with Warnock, he didn't have the time to get the players he wanted and had to get what he needed in a week, obviously leading to some bad decisions and not enough time to get quality players for the right price. So, you have a very good point with Warnock, but not Hughes at all. OK Corndog . I'm not a Hughes lover you know and Rednapp is dong better than Hughes who had lost the dressing room too. But Harry still hasn't improved the defence much and that can't be good as well as his away team performances. Considering we spent all that on a Defensive Midfielder Sandro, plus Isla , Caulker , Rio . Yet we still let in 23 goals after 12 games exactly the same as Hughes team and the level of teams faced was pretty much the same ? Also answer me this please , how many points should Redknapp have now then ? How many points at the halfway stage after nineteen games ? Considering Warnock had 17 points , with a poorer team in terms of ability, rushed transfer window etc . Considering our home fixtures at the halfway stay will be 10 games Hull,Sunderland,Stoke,Villa,Leicester,Burnley,WBA,Palace plus Liverpool and City. Warnocks home games by the halfway stage included ManU ,Man C , Chelsea and he had nine home games not ten.
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Post by corndog on Nov 25, 2014 19:59:42 GMT
I would say at this point, we should have about 12 points and I would like 19-20 at the halfway mark, although that seems unlikely at this point. I do agree the defence has been very disappointing, although it looks better with Dunne(who is unfortunately suspended in the next match). For the most part, I agree with a lot of what you say, but you can't compare Redknapp to Hughes, that was a complete disaster, even though this season doesn't appear much better it is no where near as dire as then. But it doesn't look like the odds of staying up are much better, we will just have to see.
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2014 20:45:58 GMT
I would say at this point, we should have about 12 points and I would like 19-20 at the halfway mark, although that seems unlikely at this point. I do agree the defence has been very disappointing, although it looks better with Dunne(who is unfortunately suspended in the next match). For the most part, I agree with a lot of what you say, but you can't compare Redknapp to Hughes, that was a complete disaster, even though this season doesn't appear much better it is no where near as dire as then. But it doesn't look like the odds of staying up are much better, we will just have to see. You never know Corndog , we might get to nineteen, need three wins from 7 and the odd draw. It is a possibility we can win three from Leics,Burnley,WBA and Palace. But Redknapp needs to get them fired up now to play out there skins and shore up that defence.
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Post by corndog on Nov 25, 2014 22:28:37 GMT
It is possible, but it won't be easy. The defence definitely needs to play better, but they also have to score goals, something they showed in the last run of games minus against Newcastle. It will be on him if he gets the personnel wrong and goes back to his old boys like Rio, and doesn't play Isla/Vargas. Either way, it won't be as easy as it looks. Those teams know how important these games are for them as well, but I don't think asking for ten points out of the next seven is too much. It starts off with Leicester, they are out of form and if we can't beat them it could get pretty ugly.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Dec 23, 2014 19:52:46 GMT
This thread needs updating. Harry deserves credit.
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Post by harr on Dec 23, 2014 20:02:22 GMT
This thread needs updating. Harry deserves credit. Yes of course Kilburn , tried to get round to doing it at the weekend but will do it this week . Yes he does . In fairness I do update things even though Ive had a rant in the past , Im always big enough to hold my hand up if Ive got it wrong. Which I might have or not whatever may happen between now and May.
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Post by harr on Dec 23, 2014 20:28:25 GMT
There you go Kilburn, had you already worked it out Harry currently running at 21 % win ratio better than Warnocks QPR Prem record and Hughes 0.90 points per game above Warnock at the minute. Well done Harry, much better, now sort out that shambolic away form Previous Spell 25 games dDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. This year. 17 games LLWLDLLLWLDLWLWLW REDKNAPP 42 Games, 38 points, 9 wins, 0.90 pts per game, win ratio 21% WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 %
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Post by sharky on Dec 23, 2014 22:24:41 GMT
The main difference with Warnock vs Redknapp is that in Dec under Warnock things were going pear shaped whereas under Redknapp they are improving.
........now if we could just get an away point!
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 24, 2014 8:34:26 GMT
But clubs go through slumps - and no question we were in one when Warnock axed, but never felt (at the time) we wouldnt get out of it - especially with the transfer window opening.
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Post by sharky on Dec 24, 2014 9:10:46 GMT
My memory was of a man who didn't know what to do during the FA Cup loss to MK Dons. He was dead man walking. TF put him out of his misery IMO.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Dec 24, 2014 9:17:23 GMT
There you go Kilburn, had you already worked it out Harry currently running at 21 % win ratio better than Warnocks QPR Prem record and Hughes 0.90 points per game above Warnock at the minute. Well done Harry, much better, now sort out that shambolic away form Previous Spell 25 games dDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. This year. 17 games LLWLDLLLWLDLWLWLW REDKNAPP 42 Games, 38 points, 9 wins, 0.90 pts per game, win ratio 21% WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 % Cheers har, makes better reading. Happy Christmas
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 24, 2014 10:50:29 GMT
I'd put it another way: There's Really not much statistical difference between the three managers!
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Post by kilburnhoop on Dec 24, 2014 11:31:44 GMT
Not much difference but harry has a win at Wembley on his CV.
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Post by harr on Dec 24, 2014 16:56:39 GMT
Hopefully we can carry on with 4 points off Palace and Swansea, that's what I'm hoping for . 20-21 pts before Sheff U will be good .
This away record has been rough and if we lost at Arsenal equals the worst ever away points return at the start of a season I believe.
Redknapp has definitely done better , to get 12 pts off Villa,Leics,Burnley and WBA was just what we needed, now to keep it going.
Enjoy your Christmas Holidays Kilburn,Mac.
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Post by harr on Jan 10, 2015 23:00:17 GMT
Updated After Burnley Harry R points per game In the Prem with QPR overall 0.87. (This season only 0.90 pts per game. 23.80 win % after Burnley) Still better than Warnock,just. After Man U and Stoke may not be ? OVERALL PERCENTAGES AS QPR MANAGERS REDKNAPP - Previous Spell 25 games dDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. REDKNAPP- This year. 21 games LLWLDLLLWLDLWLWLWLdDL REDKNAPP 46 Games, 40 points, 9 wins, 0.87 pts per game, win ratio 19.50 % WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 % Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/40122/harrys-win-ratio-manager-prem?page=2#ixzz3OSfs1ZHG
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Post by timewaster on Jan 10, 2015 23:21:15 GMT
Updated After Burnley Harry R points per game In the Prem with QPR overall 0.87. (This season only 0.90 pts per game. 23.80 win % after Burnley) Still better than Warnock,just. After Man U and Stoke may not be ? OVERALL PERCENTAGES AS QPR MANAGERS REDKNAPP - Previous Spell 25 games dDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. REDKNAPP- This year. 21 games LLWLDLLLWLDLWLWLWLdDL REDKNAPP 46 Games, 40 points, 9 wins, 0.87 pts per game, win ratio 19.50 % WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 % Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/40122/harrys-win-ratio-manager-prem?page=2#ixzz3OSfs1ZHGAre there any managers that can help our lot in the World
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 10, 2015 23:56:47 GMT
I know of one but you cant have him!
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Post by harr on Jan 13, 2015 11:47:20 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 13, 2015 13:26:57 GMT
To be slightly fair to the man, I'd rate based on how we're doing this season and compare to others... Rather than in the succeeding-Hughes year
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Post by harr on Jan 13, 2015 14:20:34 GMT
To be slightly fair to the man, I'd rate based on how we're doing this season and compare to others... Rather than in the succeeding-Hughes year 23.8 % but They may change a fair bit over our next three games.
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Post by harr on Jan 31, 2015 20:31:42 GMT
Jan 10, 2015 at 11:00pm harr said: Updated After Burnley Harry R points per game In the Prem with QPR overall 0.87. (This season only 0.90 pts per game. 23.80 win % after Burnley) Still better than Warnock,just. After Man U and Stoke may not be ?
OVERALL PERCENTAGES AS QPR MANAGERS
REDKNAPP - Previous Spell 25 games dDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. REDKNAPP- This year. 23 games LLWLDLLLWLDLWLWLWLdDLLL REDKNAPP 48 Games, 40 points, 9 wins, 0.87 pts per game, win ratio 18.75 % OVERALL QPR PREM WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 %
REDKNAPP this season, with all the players, all the coaches, 5 wins from 23 games , 0.826 pts per game , win ratio 21.70 % THIS YEAR QPR PREM WARNOCK 0.85 pts per game . Win ratio 20 % 2011-12
Not much in it ? Considering TF keeps coming out with the Stability favourite line ......
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 31, 2015 22:20:48 GMT
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Post by harr on Jan 31, 2015 22:49:32 GMT
Yes, I put these stats up last week . Warnock got three away wins , Everton , Wolves and Stoke from about 11 away games .
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