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Post by sirpiechucker on May 24, 2009 14:31:06 GMT
...but why is there three messageboards all taking swipes at each other?
You have this site as well as WATRBs and Loft For Words all involved in childish b*tching. I wouldn't normally comment but with no matches to keep us entertained and very little information regarding new players and new managers like many I'm reading all of the different forums to see what I can find. All I can see is the same 4 or 5 posters who are all presumably grown men acting like school kids. I don't expect all human beings to get on but why don't you just ignore each other and stick to your own sites? Why are people going on each others board and taking stories and posting them on different boards? If someone has a problem with what is said on a particular board then debate it on that rather than copying and pasting the link. It's very dull for the average reader like myself, to see such pathetic squabbles played out in front of everyone.
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Post by QPR Report on May 24, 2009 14:37:27 GMT
You're actually pretty much right. I'm trying to cut down (and obviously failing).
But given that WATRB is a site where information is continually leaked from the club is disseminated and various assertions are made. I will continue to some degree.
Hopefully I'll continue to stick to the facts, and not revert to character assassination or just snide comments or denigration of the site as a whole. (And while criticism of WATRB will be permitted, the kind of stuff I saw elsehwere yesterday, I don't think will be here)
But that's not to say your take is wrong.
But Pete knows what he's trying to do. And I know what Pete's trying to do. And I'll leave that at that in my commentary.
But I'm happy to dialogue with any and each of you in private messages.
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Post by sirpiechucker on May 24, 2009 14:52:53 GMT
If you visit the WATRB board you'll see I've posted the same message so this isn't an attack on just this board but for all readers of this and Pete's site. Those involved in the arguments know who they are and it's about time that they stopped for the goodness of all.
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Post by eusebio13 on May 24, 2009 15:19:40 GMT
It like Martin Luther's 95 Theses nailed to the Wittenburg church door....what starts a disagreement on form and language slowly turns into a schism and then into holy war.
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Post by Markqpr on May 24, 2009 15:43:32 GMT
...but why is there three messageboards all taking swipes at each other? You have this site as well as WATRBs and Loft For Words all involved in childish b*tching. I wouldn't normally comment but with no matches to keep us entertained and very little information regarding new players and new managers like many I'm reading all of the different forums to see what I can find. All I can see is the same 4 or 5 posters who are all presumably grown men acting like school kids. I don't expect all human beings to get on but why don't you just ignore each other and stick to your own sites? Why are people going on each others board and taking stories and posting them on different boards? If someone has a problem with what is said on a particular board then debate it on that rather than copying and pasting the link. It's very dull for the average reader like myself, to see such pathetic squabbles played out in front of everyone. Couldn't agree more SirPie. I've raised this with Report before in the past and he has to his credit cut back a lot on his referrals to WATRB, though he is still yet to agree to my idea that he and Pete should get a seperate board for their 'arguments' and now that more people are involved maybe Report you could think about it some more, please? Personally I blame Flavio. Yes, that's right I blame him for the message boards wars completely. If he had appointed a new manager by now we would all have something to debate and argue over. Tactics, potential purchases, formations (we're good on formations here!), who should be picked, etc. Instead we have got the scenario you so elloquently and accurately described. So in essence, Flavio that's another C*** up down to you! Jenson Button eh! Faster than a concrete ballard, I believe! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by obk on May 24, 2009 15:49:21 GMT
It like Martin Luther's 95 Theses nailed to the Wittenburg church door....what starts a disagreement on form and language slowly turns into a schism and then into holy war. Haha, good way to put it!
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Post by cpr on May 24, 2009 16:24:08 GMT
Certainly not naive sirpie, more like a lot more history than you may be aware of. Just a thought. Good one Eus. I agree with Marky Mark. ;D
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Post by nico on May 24, 2009 19:34:33 GMT
Very good post Sir Pie
Watching from afar, and as a reformed 'message board warrior' I do think ti is a shame and pointless the amount of animosity between the various boards. I respect a lot of people involved in each of those boards and know that they care about QPR, but the vitriol directed at each other, often very personal, seems to be getting well out of hand.
And even though you may say I am biased, from what I have seen recently WRTRB is far from being the worst for this sort of thing, and to be fair the same is true for this site which has generally stayed away from much of the personal stuff, although I fear Mike has a bit of a personal thing with Pete which he has allowed to creep into here too much at times, which generally does not (in my opinion) add to that value of this site. But otherwise you have done well here.
And the reason I had had my own Damascus revelation, is because where as in the past there might have be factions within the club which fans sided with and actually meant something, people ought to realise the same is not true at all any more. The new owners have far less regard to fans groups or message boards than I think any owners have ever had. To fight amongst each other will only confirm them in that view, and weaken an already very weak fan base. Apart from that, leaving behind the message board bitching does great things for your spirit, stress levels and enjoyment of life!
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Post by cpr on May 24, 2009 19:38:00 GMT
"pregnant doging"
What is that exactly Nic?
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Post by nico on May 24, 2009 19:44:36 GMT
hmmm, me thinks Mike has imitated Pete there and brought in some system which replaces the word you write with something else. I wrote a word beginning with a 'b' and ending with 'ing'. Dogs give a clue, but neither pregnancy nor straight people having casual sex by a service station are that helpful in hinting at the term!
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Post by Markqpr on May 24, 2009 19:49:48 GMT
hmmm, me thinks Mike has imitated Pete there and brought in some system which replaces the word you write with something else. I wrote a word beginning with a 'b' and ending with 'ing'. Dogs give a clue, but neither pregnancy nor straight people having casual sex by a service station are that helpful in hinting at the term! Oh! Thank-god! I thought I had completely misinterperated what this message board was about for a second! Got it bookmarked on the wife's laptop, in the bookmark bar an' all! Wouldn't know how to explain that one! ;D
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Post by QPR Report on May 24, 2009 20:28:46 GMT
Very good post Sir Pie Watching from afar, and as a reformed 'message board warrior' I do think ti is a shame and pointless the amount of animosity between the various boards. I respect a lot of people involved in each of those boards and know that they care about QPR, but the vitriol directed at each other, often very personal, seems to be getting well out of hand. And even though you may say I am biased, from what I have seen recently WRTRB is far from being the worst for this sort of thing, and to be fair the same is true for this site which has generally stayed away from much of the personal stuff, although I fear Mike has a bit of a personal thing with Pete which he has allowed to creep into here too much at times, which generally does not (in my opinion) add to that value of this site. But otherwise you have done well here. And the reason I had had my own Damascus revelation, is because where as in the past there might have be factions within the club which fans sided with and actually meant something, people ought to realise the same is not true at all any more. The new owners have far less regard to fans groups or message boards than I think any owners have ever had. To fight amongst each other will only confirm them in that view, and weaken an already very weak fan base. Apart from that, leaving behind the message board pregnant doging does great things for your spirit, stress levels and enjoyment of life! re changing words: Yes it's an automatic changer (which I can remove for each word. Just have to get down to it.) Now as for Pete/WATRB: I won't say there's no feeling. But There's cause. Good cause. And "Turning the Other cheek" - Sorry don't do that. Now I won't descend - and won't permit others on this site to do - what I saw on another site yesterday. I thought that was beyond the pale. But there are definitely issues that are out there: There are substantive issues: The club/Paladini leaking to Pete. Which after the Sousa axing is beyond the pale. There is how Pete dealt on Sousa...There are the "rebuttals" by Pete re Sousa's commnets which opened a whole can of worms. And since the club - Paladini - Maybe even you in your earlier life, Nico, played a role in the building up WATRB, it's a substantive issue. If you want to throw in what I (and others) have perceived as tolerance of anti-Semitic posts. Not acceptible. So it goes far beyond personality. Then if you really did a search of all the comments by Pete/and then all the comm/ents by me, there is absolutely no question that Pete's insults have been far, far more egregious. His latest actions - are beyond the pale, however much he may disguise what he's doing. So that's for starters. Are we all QPR? Yes - Even though Pete has repeatedly sought to disparage me and "write me out" of being a "true" QPR supporters. Pete has made a number of allegations for which he never appologized. Including his "My Secret Meetings" assertion which he rushed from Paladini to proclaim on the board. So to summarize: There is a personality issue between me and Pete - and of course between IsleworthRanger and me. That's self-evident. You just have to look at his posts. His snide little posts. That's His problem. And there is the substantive. If Pete were an indiviudal poster just defending Paladini, using him as his source and posting Sousa out - so be it. But it's more than that. Pete through hisWATRB website has the reputation for more than just being a loyal defender of Paladini. The fact that Pete continues to be the recipient of leaked information is as much a critique of the club as him. Now we could go on. But this is not a quarrel over nothing. I've had quite a few messageboard fights over the years. In many of those instances, I've resolved them. Now we could go point by point by point if we really wanted to. But that's enough for now. As a rule, I try and post FACTS, quotes, past quotes, etc. And others just engage in ad-hominems, inuendos and snide comments.
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Post by QPR Report on May 24, 2009 22:11:37 GMT
Update: I've made some of the "bad" words a little less "changed" (Got some further work to do) I guess I'll just convert them all to Yiddish ;D
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Post by Markqpr on May 24, 2009 22:31:03 GMT
All I ask is that C*****a is spelt C*****a, but if you want to replace all the swear words with 'schmuck' and 'shmerrill' (sic) that would actually be quite funny. Just keep it more Mel Brooks and less Lenny Bruce if you know what I mean (I'm more Jackie Gleason myself).
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 25, 2009 5:51:31 GMT
All I ask is that C*****a is spelt C*****a, but if you want to replace all the swear words with 'schmuck' and 'shmerrill' (sic) that would actually be quite funny. Just keep it more Mel Brooks and less Lenny Bruce if you know what I mean (I'm more Jackie Gleason myself). Reminds me of that Dave Donaldson recording about the history of english language when he read a story and replaced the word "kill" and its various forms with the word "fuk". He did a Cowboy story...."Sherriff you killed my son, now I'm gonna kill you REAL slow! (replacing with the aforementioned "F" word.) But back to the point of this message thread... The bickering between the three MB's. We have bigger and better fish to fry such as Paladini and his continual (Allegedly) leaking of information which seesm to find its way exclusively to WATRB. I have yet to see anbywhere else such "inside" information appearing first. The sooner Flavio smells the roses and fires Paladini, the better for the club. I wonder how much stick Briatore has copped for things that Paladini has done. Perhaps the alleged influencing of team selections for example??
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Post by QPR Report on May 25, 2009 7:10:25 GMT
Of course How do you "Discuss" Paladini leaking without focusing where he's leaking and why he's leaking and all the corollary questions which follow. Such as the Sousa axing, etc.
I obviously confess though to certainly being "flawed." But the public vitriol expressed by others either towards WATRB or from certain people at WATRB, I don't replicate. The term "Fantasy Island" is not one I've used. And the fact that there is some ITK info (merged in with other stuff) is something I've freely acknowledged - even as others have disparaged. And what I view as "beyond-the-pale" tenor has certainly not come from any post on this site by me or anyone.
But obviously there are two seperate issues:
Whether I feel what I'm doing is "right" and justified, accurate; properly "responsive"; within bounds, etc.. (And to be honest, mostly I do. I don't dispute that whether many others agree is another matter.)
And the seperate but related matter and obviously a rather important matte: Whether people on this board want that focus. And that I too acknowledge: Others probably want it less than me.
So we'll all compromise! Maybe devote certain threads to that issue, updating as appropriate, which people can read or not read as wish. Maybe focus on more important of my "issues" - Such as leaking/promoting etc. I'll have to think it through. Even something seperate. But all depends. And after I think it through some more, I may post again on the matter.
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Post by QPR Report on May 27, 2009 19:09:08 GMT
Regrettably, it extremely clear to me: There has been; and there is seemingly going to continue to be no inherent change in the attitude and behavior of Pete or his colleague, IsleworthRanger. And some of the behavior has gone beyond what is acceptable. So be it. A few weeks ago in one of my final WATRB posts, I questioned "So Is Pete Making a Threat/Warning to QPR Report? as I questioned what Pete meant in a post " Is QPR Report..Ronnie Biggs?? Will we hear less of him in a few weeks time?" www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/blog.php?b=219 Well the simple answer is: No, you won't. As will become very evident.
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