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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 8, 2012 23:10:51 GMT
He may have had a good record but I could not support England with him at the helm. He didn't seem to care at all and could barely even speak English. The FA should have been ruthless after the world cup and sacked him but in usual FA style they messed it up and wasted the last 2 years. would you want to sack a manager of your club with a record like that? That is a good point. No I wouldn't unless he defended a racist publicly but yet stripped the same man of the captaincy after an affair. He made some really odd team choices as well, such as Glen Johnson over Micah Richards and playing Emile Heskey. I want a man who cares about his job and the country he is representing. Do you not agree with the sacking then Maude??
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 8, 2012 23:13:43 GMT
Oops my mistake in that last post, obviously he resigned and was not sacked, my bad
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Post by mikehunt on Feb 8, 2012 23:13:59 GMT
redknapp will do better than capello by miles. cant even believe im reading what you have written. he was completley clueless and did not give a shite. 2nd best england manager in terms of points accumulated in major competitions. i.e . group stages of finals 1st in points accumulated in finals and qualifiers. someone must of spiked my drinks at every england game in the alst world cup i saw only pure and uttter shite , of a like ive never seen before. oh and who was it who said you can make stats to suit any situation, for or against. bloke was macaroni. redknapp wants this job more than anything in the world, his last swansong, so yes he will one million per cent give a shit.
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Post by Hogan on Feb 8, 2012 23:16:12 GMT
He picked SWP ahead of Walcott for his final 23 in 2010 world cup!
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Post by moriarty on Feb 8, 2012 23:18:30 GMT
2nd best england manager in terms of points accumulated in major competitions. i.e . group stages of finals 1st in points accumulated in finals and qualifiers. someone must of spiked my drinks at every england game in the alst world cup i saw only pure and uttter shite , of a like ive never seen before. oh and who was it who said you can make stats to suit any situation, for or against. bloke was macaroni. redknapp wants this job more than anything in the world, his last swansong, so yes he will one million per cent give a shit. And the managers prior to Capello had England playing stunning football then?
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Post by mikehunt on Feb 8, 2012 23:19:38 GMT
did i say that? nope, cos they have all been shite lets settle for shite eh. its england mate, not rangers.
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Post by moriarty on Feb 8, 2012 23:21:34 GMT
did i say that? nope, cos they have all been shite lets settle for shite eh. its england mate, not rangers. OK, England have been shite at tournaments since........, 1996? 2002?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 8, 2012 23:22:06 GMT
someone must of spiked my drinks at every england game in the alst world cup i saw only pure and uttter shite , of a like ive never seen before. oh and who was it who said you can make stats to suit any situation, for or against. bloke was macaroni. redknapp wants this job more than anything in the world, his last swansong, so yes he will one million per cent give a shit. And the managers prior to Capello had England playing stunning football then? No but IMO we played better at the 2006 Germany World Cup than we did in 2010. The writing has been on the wall before Capello even arrived that the FA needed someone strong as manager who could sort out players like JT but they repeatedly made the wrong decisions. Now they have a chance to correct their mistake.
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Post by moriarty on Feb 8, 2012 23:25:15 GMT
And the managers prior to Capello had England playing stunning football then? No but IMO we played better at the 2006 Germany World Cup than we did in 2010. The writing has been on the wall before Capello even arrived that the FA needed someone strong as manager who could sort out players like JT but they repeatedly made the wrong decisions. Now they have a chance to correct their mistake. We should have stuck with Sven then...., apart from the usual clamour of 'it's got to be an Englishman.... enter McLaren....' I am getting lost in any logic here Best man for the job..... Period
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Post by mikehunt on Feb 8, 2012 23:31:43 GMT
got the best chance now we have had in ages of getting a very good manager. harry, o'neil or pardew could all do a bteer job and get us to a quarter/semi final in a major competition for the first time in eons imho
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Feb 8, 2012 23:33:09 GMT
i'm not a capello man, but would of liked him to see out the tournament in summer.
i think he stepped down as england manager not because he supports terry whether he made a racist statement or not but because it was the fa made the decision for him. which is fair enough.
our past managers have flattered to deceive, none of them have a better record than capello but some have made a better short term impact, i.e venables at euro 96, robson world cup semi, etc.
now we are likley to get redknapp, how different is he?
sort the fa out and we will sort the england team out.
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Post by moriarty on Feb 8, 2012 23:34:26 GMT
Mike, we will have to agree to disagree that Capello was a good manager then, I think he has had a fantastic managerial record and that we should have been proud to have him - the media as usual have undermined his position
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Post by moriarty on Feb 8, 2012 23:36:22 GMT
i'm not a capello man, but would of liked him to see out the tournament in summer. i think he stepped down as england manager not because he supports terry whether he made a racist statement or not but because it was the fa made the decision for him. which is fair enough. our past managers have flattered to deceive, none of them have a better record than capello but some have made a better short term impact, i.e venables at euro 96, robson world cup semi, etc. now we are likley to get redknapp, how different is he? sort the fa out and we will sort the england team out. Nail hit head....., sort the media out and we could have half a chance as well
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Post by mikehunt on Feb 8, 2012 23:39:06 GMT
capellos deffo got a good record and is a good manager, which he will prove when he gets billions to manage in russia very soon. but he didnt understand the english game or players enough i honestly believe. none of them seemed to play well for him. the players will give so much more when happy, and harrys so good at that
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Post by eusebio13 on Feb 9, 2012 3:26:03 GMT
I see Hiddink is being linked....would people see him as a good choice? I think his international experience is great, speaks English better than Rednapp, did a great job a stabilising Chelsea.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 5:03:33 GMT
QPR's former Wolves, Charlton and Cardiff City striker Jay Bothroyd has revealed he was shocked to hear of England manager Fabio's Capello's decision to resign.
Capello handed Bothroyd an England Cap in an international friendly against France on 13 November 2010. He appeared as a second half substitute in the 2–1 defeat, becoming Cardiff City's first England international player in their 111-year history, and the first Football League player to represent England since David Nugent in 2007.
Bothroyd told his twitter followers:
"I'm shocked to see fabio capello step down, it can only be Harry redknapp now ...."
Twenty minutes later the forward expanded on his earlier tweet:
"I have to thanks fabio capello for giving me my debut ... Proudest moment in my football career.
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Post by canadaranger on Feb 9, 2012 5:15:49 GMT
Capello's record as England Manager was fine. The style of play that got there was (to me, anyway) less than inspiring. It might even be called (no surprise) "Italian League", and by that I mean where goals are hard to come by at both ends... As they say, "good defence wins cups, good offence puts people in the seats", so I can understand the mindset, just not pretty to watch.
I'd rather see a team at least try to win 3-2 than go 0-0 and lose on penalties...
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 9, 2012 6:53:32 GMT
Of course if John Terry had more of a sense of honour, etc, etc, he'd have stepped down voluntarily and Capello - whether you like him or not would never have come to this (pre-summer) decision GUARDIAN/Daniel Taylor Harry Redknapp favourite to replace Fabio Capello as England manager • Italian resigns over John Terry captaincy affair • Redknapp found not guilty of tax fraud earlier in day Harry Redknapp is the overwhelming favourite to replace Fabio Capello as England's next manager after the Italian resigned because of the breakdown in his relationship with the Football Association over the John Terry affair. On an extraordinary day for the two managers, Redknapp was acquitted of tax evasion and Capello informed the FA chairman, David Bernstein, he could not continue in the role now that his employer had gone above him to demote Terry as England captain against his wishes. Capello was not involved in the consultation process and, after publicly criticising the decision in an interview with Italian television on Sunday, he told Bernstein that he felt the relationship was beyond repair. His resignation was accepted only hours after Redknapp had been cleared of taking bungs at the end of a two-and-a-half‑week trial at Southwark crown court. The Tottenham Hotspur manager, who said he had been living through a "nightmare", will be the clear choice to take over from Capello and try to reunite a squad that has been badly divided by the Terry case. Martin O'Neill, the Sunderland manager, and Newcastle United's Alan Pardew will also be considered, as may the out-of-work Guus Hiddink, but the FA is acutely aware that Redknapp would be the popular choice and has the strongest credentials. The 64-year-old has taken Spurs to third in the Premier League having taken over when they were in the relegation zone in 2008, and has the force of character to repair the damaged team spirit from Capello's watch. He would also be the overwhelming choice of the players, many of whom had become disaffected with Capello, citing the Italian's language difficulties as a key problem. Redknapp would automatically have been ruled out of ever being offered the job if he had been convicted but his acquittal immediately instals him as the favourite. Tottenham, still reeling from an exhausting court case, made no statements yesterday but their chairman, Daniel Levy, would exact a high price from the FA for giving up a manager who has taken them to remarkable heights. The bookmakers had stopped taking bets on Redknapp being Capello's successor even before the news broke of the resignation. Capello, appointed on a £6m-a-year contract, is yet to comment on the reasons why he has ended a four-year tenure that will be remembered predominantly for England's dismal performances in the World Cup in South Africa and his refusal to accept Terry could not captain England at this summer's European Championship. The FA had decided it was unworkable now that Terry's trial for allegedly racially abusing the QPR defender Anton Ferdinand during a match at Loftus Road in October had been put back until after the tournament. However, Capello felt badly undermined and was so incensed he was willing to challenge the decision during Sunday's interview on Rai 1. "No, absolutely not," he said when asked whether the FA had made the correct decision. His view was that the FA should leave the decision to the manager and that Terry should be allowed to continue as captain because the alternative violated the innocent-until-proven-guilty principle. After a few days of collecting his thoughts Capello arrived at Wembley on Wednesday for his first face-to-face talks with Bernstein to announce that he was planning to quit as a point of principle. Capello was at Liverpool's match against Spurs on Monday to check on the form of players such as Steven Gerrard and Scott Parker but was already giving it close consideration, scrutinising the terms of his contract after being informed of the Terry decision last week, and eventually decided on Tuesday that he would have to resign unless it was reversed. There was no chance of that even being entertained and Capello's meeting with Bernstein and the FA general secretary, Alex Horne, lasted barely an hour. The FA announced the move in a statement that confirmed "the discussions focused on the FA board's decision to remove the England team captaincy from John Terry, and Fabio Capello's response through an Italian broadcast interview. Fabio's resignation was accepted and he will leave the post of England manager with immediate effect." Bernstein said: "I would like to stress that during today's meeting and throughout his time as England manager, Fabio has conducted himself in an extremely professional manner. We have accepted Fabio's resignation, agreeing this is the right decision. We would like to thank Fabio for his work with the England team and wish him every success in the future." Ideally the FA would like a new man in charge for the friendly against Holland on 29 February, but if that is not feasible then Stuart Pearce, the England Under-21 manager,could be asked to take over as caretaker manager. Trevor Brooking, the FA's director of development, is another possibility to help out on a short-term basis. The more important task is to fill the position ahead of Euro 2012 and the warm-up matches against Norway and Belgium, and it may be that, if Redknapp is approached, a deal could be arranged that will allow him to stay at Spurs until the end of the season. More will become clear when Bernstein holds a Thursday lunchtime news conference at Wembley. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/08/england-fabio-capello-harry-redknapp
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 9, 2012 6:55:37 GMT
GUARDIAN/Owen Gibson David Bernstein left to pay for FA mistakes over Fabio Capello The seeds of the Football Association's latest self-inflicted crisis were sown two years ago in South Africa The seeds of Fabio Capello's decision to dramatically resign as England manager in a slow-motion fit of pique were arguably sown in the remote surroundings of the England camp on the outskirts of Rustenburg. In the wake of a disastrous World Cup campaign, the Football Association hierarchy decided that they would leave his fate hanging in the balance for a few days before swiftly agreeing that the Italian's remaining tenure would be limited to two years. Now, the toxic situation surrounding the deposed England captain, John Terry – who may yet be cleared in a court of law a matter of days after the European Championship – has led the England manager to walk too. Following the humiliation against Germany in Bloemfontein and the sorry trudge back to Rustenburg, the decision‑making process around the England team was something of a shambles. There was no permanent FA chairman, with Roger Burden temporarily in the hotseat following the enforced resignation of Lord Triesman. The parallel Club England structure chaired by Sir Dave Richards had resulted in the catastrophic pre-tournanment decision to remove a key clause in the Italian's contract in the face of supposed interest from Italian clubs. From that point on, Capello was compromised. Hugely independently wealthy – partly as a result of his unprecendented £6m-a-year deal that made him the highest paid coach in international football – he had plenty of what the former BBC director general Greg Dyke memorably called "F***-off money". The bold decision in 2010 may have been to shake hands with Capello, agree things had not worked out and find a new England coach on a salary more inkeeping with the global economic situation. The decision to retain him on time-limited terms has haunted David Bernstein since he walked into the FA chairman's job in December 2010 in the wake of the 2018 World Cup bid farrago. At every press conference and briefing he has been forced to address the succession question – and repeated, ad nauseum, that "it is neither at the front of my mind or the back of my mind". The complicating factor of Harry Redknapp's looming trial, together with a desire to avoid offending the incumbent, meant that no one in the FA hierachy could be seen to be actively planning for life beyond Capello. That further heightened the unreal atmosphere in the gloomy corridors at Wembley. Relations broke down further when Franco Baldini, Capello's trusty confidante who acted as a conduit and buffer with the FA and the media, unsurprisingly sought alternative employment with Roma before their time was up. Above all, Bernstein was absolutely determined that the FA should not end up repeating the errors of past regimes and that an unseemly scramble that could lead to Luiz Felipe Scolari-style embarrassment should be avoided. But that is exactly where they have ended up. Usually, it is inertia that begets a crisis at the FA. This time it was firm action. Once it became clear to Bernstein and the board that Capello would brook no suggestion of Terry being removed as England captain, and that the Chelsea player had no intention of stepping down, they resolved to act. Though they knew Capello would be enraged by their action, and duly told them so once he was informed of the decision last Thursday night, they gambled that he would not commit the ultimate act of revenge. The stakes were heightened further by Sunday night's pointed interview to Italian television. Bernstein was praised in the wake of last week's decision to strip Terry of the captaincy for his swift, sure footed action. But immediately there were questions over the extent to which removing the armband from Terry but leaving him available for selection was a fudge. And some will ask whether he should have done more to keep Capello onside. The FA chairman will now have to account for why he ignored the handful of voices on the board, some of whom felt they better knew Capello's nature, who were urging caution. But, ultimately, he was left in an impossible position. Leaving the Terry situation to drag on until the eve of the European Championship would have been equally untenable. While in no mood to back down, the hope at Wembley was that an uneasy truce could be brokered that allowed both parties to hobble through Euro 2012. Like so many before him, Bernstein's tenure will now be marked by his response to a self-inflicted crisis. But he is paying for the sins of his predecessors when they shook hands with Capello on that two-year deal. Now, it will be the decisions that he and the general secretary, Alex Horne, make in the harsh gaze of the spotlight over the next few days that will define his tenure. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/08/fa-fabio-capello-david-bernstein
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Post by canadaranger on Feb 9, 2012 7:58:04 GMT
I see Hiddink is being linked....would people see him as a good choice? I think his international experience is great, speaks English better than Rednapp, did a great job a stabilising Chelsea. Would the team be on a Hiddink to Nothing?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 9, 2012 8:00:37 GMT
Maybe that was Terry's plan on how to have the manager resign rather than be sacked and pay out heaps. Alan Shearer for the next Manager
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 9, 2012 8:34:03 GMT
The best thing is, this all comes back to us. This is our fault in a way. That game in October has changed football history.
On the subject of Hiddink, he is the only non-English person I would have as manager. Would prefer English though.
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Post by nomar on Feb 9, 2012 8:37:27 GMT
Moriarty, I applaud you for chatting sense mate.
Not an England fan (Holland fan) but this pretty much happens to anyone who manages England. Its a thankless task and you know that after the first bad result the Press will get their knives out.
In my opinion Capello was looking for the way out long ago and saw this as the perfect opportunity to make his position untenable whilst still looking good.
The FA probably did this deliberately too so that they would get this reaction from him giving both parties a valid reason to split up.
As far as it goes I think both parties got what they wanted here. And how convenient on the day Redknapp walks free!
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Post by alfaranger on Feb 9, 2012 9:10:37 GMT
I think that 'arry retains the affection of a majority of football fans, I count myself in that, and we would love to see him take the opportunity (if offered) of leading England. It would seem a match made in heaven-whilst it all remained bright and shiny. Unfortunately, it never remains bright and shiny. Sooner or later there will be a bad run of results and then the press campaign will start, he will never be able to do anything right again, and I know I am going to feel very bad for our 'arry. An added problem for him will be that his acquittal on tax evasion charges was almost OJ Simpson like and a return to that by the press pointing fingers and sowing doubt is inevitable. As far as the thread is concerned however, my vote is 'arry.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 9, 2012 9:16:02 GMT
With all due respect - and not that there's much English coaching out there - but I don't see Redknapp as such a great choice.
Let's not make it sound like he came out whiter than white from the trial. Just that he wasn't found to have done ILLEGAL stuff...
But as a coach? Redknapp is a good English manager.... Good at buying and selling, etc.
But Redknapp is just not fit to tie the boots of a coach a la Venables or Sexton or Howe...
If the appointment was between now and the end of Summer, fine...
But if (as seems will be the case), he's going to be England Manager - now and for 2014...I don't really like that...(Ditto for Pearce)
I didn't want a foreign coach...But the idea that a foreign coach won't be "enthusiastic" for England per se is wrong. Certain coaches are "stoic" whether they're managing club or country. Redknapp reminds me of when we appointed past-it Joe Mercer (screwed Stan Bowles again!) and Ron Greenwood.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 9, 2012 9:28:18 GMT
Seems Redknapp is the players first choice as well. Rio Ferdinand even said we need an English manager so stuff doesn't get lost in translation, proving once and for all that Postman Pat's lack of English was a big problem.
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Post by alfaranger on Feb 9, 2012 9:33:41 GMT
Seems Redknapp is the players first choice as well. Rio Ferdinand even said we need an English manager so stuff doesn't get lost in translation, proving once and for all that Postman Pat's lack of English was a big problem. That wont necessarily improve under 'arry will it ;D
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 9, 2012 9:38:03 GMT
Assuming one can find "a foreigner" who speaks English - and most of them presumably do...
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Post by klr on Feb 9, 2012 10:41:52 GMT
Jeff Powell summed up perfectly my thoughts on the Capello "reign" last night on Sky Sports News
He contributed nothing to English Football, didnt even want the job, but his agent son persuaded him because they was simply too much money on offer to turn down.
A disgraceful episode in English Football history, how stupid did he make us look ?
Harry Redknapp can go to Hell as well, F*cking scumbag.
If Tony Cascarino & Clinton Morrisson can play for the Republic Of Ireland then I can sure as hell support them, so I'll be a plastic paddy this summer & proud!
Top of the morning to ya!
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Post by Bushman on Feb 9, 2012 10:47:28 GMT
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