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Jan 19, 2012 16:42:27 GMT hitman34 said:

Jan 19, 2012 16:38:26 GMT mikehunt said:

hitman, did you hate him even when we were untouchable and stormed the championship with one of the worst teams in the division?

if you go to the thankyou neil thread you will see for yourself what i thought of him last season.

same for you rory, i have shown him my respect on that thread but that interview he had done today is what my response was aimed at.

he showed no respect for the owner of our club!

I thought he showed a lot of respect actually and said good things about them and the club, his analogy cannot be disputed because it is a fact.

Remarkable restraint for someone treated as he was.

[alfaranger]

Jan 19, 2012 16:38:30 GMT RoryTheRanger said:

Jan 19, 2012 16:37:14 GMT hitman34 said:

wtf! sour grapes me thinks. put your dummy back in warnock and go retire quietly back to cornwall.

in short he ment. great club but the chairman is an arsehole.

come 4.50pm on saturday hughes is going to achieve something in the two weeks he has been here that warnock could not manage to do in 5 months, and that 2 wins at home.

warnock will always be remembered as a premiershi[p failure

notts county 1991-2 relegated

sheffield united 2006-07 relegated

q.p.r. 2011 -12 sacked 4 days before we entered the relegation zone, wonder how that would have ended.

the man needs to go quietly before everyone starts to hate him.

NO ONE MAN IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB NEIL!

Show the man some respect FFS.

All of us have our opinions on NW and those of us that have posted have been counted so to speak. I voted 'for' with some others and you voted 'against' with some others. Thats what this board is all about and the banter was pretty good. You were right about the precise day he was going to be sacked and you have to be congratulated for your insightfulness (no sarcasm there hitman). The discomfort I have is that you will take any opportunity to denigrate NW even though he now has no influence with the club, sometimes you introduce him within a thread that has nothing to do with him at all. Its as if you wont leave him alone. So, I have to ask you-has he upset you on a personal level to make you like this, are you an ex player that has been cast aside? It really seems that you have a personal vendetta, if that is the case, fine. Maude has asked you a couple of times now just what is you have against him and why you're like a dog with a bone (my words). We all respect your opinion and you are entitled to give it-but-what is it?

[Macmoish]

I think first, it's that you don't kick someone when they're down. It's when they're up, that you kick them. (I never liked the "Kiss up...Kick down" approach - although I know some posters some places do engage in it!)

Second: Nobody thinks Warnock is untouchable, uncriticizable. No one. We all agree he has flaws, etc, etc. There are disagreements about whether he should have been axed. And there is almost unanimity that someone who within 18 months took us from Third Division relegation probables to First Division is worthy of a lot of respect and honour and dignity, etc, etc.

Of course he can be criticized. Of course he can be sacked. That's true for any manager at any club

[hitman34]

firstly alfar, if you read all my posts they tell you the reasons why my opinion is what it is. do you want me to do a whole list again?

secondly, i always stay on thread unless someone dosent to which i reply to them. i even make it a cast to tell others to stay on the relevent thread.

in short read the bottom of page one to get an idea but if you really do want a list i will do it but i feel no need for it personally.

[mikehunt]

he did for more enough for me to be up there with the greats, to get that team to the premiership was a miracle. something i thought i would never ever see if im totally honest.

[hitman34]

Jan 19, 2012 17:18:20 GMT mikehunt said:

he did for more enough for me to be up there with the greats, to get that team to the premiership was a miracle. something i thought i would never ever see if im totally honest.

so what does that mean for the norwich manage then, he must be a god for norwich to get promotion two years running and now look at them in the league table while on spending a pitance in the summer compard with warnocks 12-15 mil plus 60 k wages on some of the players.

[mikehunt]

he is god to them, and still will be when he moves onto spurs or everton or someone, he wont be sacked like warnock was, bet your last pound on that.

[Macmoish]

No other club manager has had to work with/work for Briatore, Ecclestone and Paladini...

[hitman34]

i really dont want to be digging at everyones post because iknow im gonna get hammered for my opinion about him on here.

my first post is my reply to the interview and i have no more to say on it.

let the slagging of commence (takes a bow)

[alfaranger]

Jan 19, 2012 17:11:25 GMT hitman34 said:

firstly alfar, if you read all my posts they tell you the reasons why my opinion is what it is. do you want me to do a whole list again?

secondly, i always stay on thread unless someone dosent to which i reply to them. i even make it a cast to tell others to stay on the relevent thread.

in short read the bottom of page one to get an idea but if you really do want a list i will do it but i feel no need for it personally.

I think we might have maybe missed each others point slightly. I know why you have your opinion because it is, as you point out, well documented and you havent been a hypocrite. I take your point about staying with the thread but sometimes I am unable to stay on station because work being what it is ....
My point isnt that I that I dont understand your opinion and it isnt that you are jumping on a 'bandwagon' because I know that you are not. My point is that even after you have your 'victory' you are still pushing your fist down his throat as if you have some personal problem with him and want to take it 'even to the grave'. I am not the first to ask am I hitman.

[harlowranger]

Whether we were from the 'Keep NW longer' or 'Make the NW change now' camp or somewhere in the middle , whats done is done dont see the point dwelling on it ! wont do us any real good , NW wont be coming back !
The board made a decision ,on this occasion i am going to accept it !
He'll go down as a great Manager of QPR.

Ironic that in August we couldnt get in any players in as we had to funds and had to play Wigan without new players then a few days later we had new recruits and now we have come full circle again we find ourselves facing Wigan without any recruits lets hope the score outcome is different but im not holding my breath iF honest , Tarbs and Faurlin is one big hole to fill .

[RoryTheRanger]

Right I'm proper confused now because NW said today on SSN that he was sacked by text but he said before that he was sacked at his house??

[Macmoish]

I havent seen today...I think means...(He's said before) He got text saying Beard was going to speak to him...So he knew what was going to happen

[fraserinbc]

news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16634917.stm?

Neil Warnock says he lost his Queens Park Rangers job as his reputation was 'slowly poisoned' by critics from within and outside the club.

He claimed a "lack of football experience" in the hierarchy left QPR open to "manipulative" people.

The 63-year-old said he was unhappy fans and players were able to talk to owner Tony Fernandes through Twitter.

Warnock said his achievements at the club were "almost a miracle" given what "I've had to contend with".

"Even the owner Tony...I know the influence he'll have had from certain people over the past few weeks," Warnock said.

"It would have been difficult to resist because people get on the phone and tweet and it's almost like slowly poisoning somebody from outside the club and no doubt from within the club as well.

"It's a dangerous precedent. If you let players talk to the chairman but, you know, you can't stop tweeting."

QPR sacked Warnock 11 days ago and Warnock has spoken about his dismissal at length for the first time, saying:

he was disappointed Fernandes did not sack him face-to-face with chief executive Philip Beard delivering the news;
he was surprised at the decision but has no bitterness towards QPR;
his successor Mark Hughes is a "good manager", but Warnock "wished he had his agent";
football had become 'immoral' because of players' wages and the manager's role was not as enjoyable anymore;
he did not want to discuss about midfielder Joey Barton as "he just wants to talk about positive things at the club".

[kilburnhoop]

Jan 19, 2012 16:38:26 GMT mikehunt said:

hitman, did you hate him even when we were untouchable and stormed the championship with one of the worst teams in the division?

Worst teams in the division? Dont you mean the biggest and best paid squad in the division?

[tom007]

Hi alfa think i read wrong so apologies there.
Hi froggy now about my punditry what do you wanna hear,
been told im similiar to ray wilkins if that helps.lol

[kilburnhoop]

Thats the last thing we need right now. Leading up to such an important game. Hes trying to undermine the current manager and chairman. Leave it out Neil, we dont need it right now. You had your chance mate.

[cpr]

Jan 19, 2012 17:27:14 GMT hitman34 said:

i really dont want to be digging at everyones post because iknow im gonna get hammered for my opinion about him on here.

my first post is my reply to the interview and i have no more to say on it.

let the slagging of commence (takes a bow)

Not surprising you just cut and run rather than discuss.

[alfaranger]

Jan 19, 2012 19:15:38 GMT tom007 said:

Hi alfa think i read wrong so apologies there.
Hi froggy now about my punditry what do you wanna hear,
been told im similiar to ray wilkins if that helps.lol

We all wear the blue and white mate, keep on rockin'......

[mikehunt]

Jan 19, 2012 19:09:01 GMT kilburnhoop said:

Jan 19, 2012 16:38:26 GMT mikehunt said:

hitman, did you hate him even when we were untouchable and stormed the championship with one of the worst teams in the division?

Worst teams in the division? Dont you mean the biggest and best paid squad in the division?

what like rowlands, vine, buzacky and agymang who played no part.
im talking about the dogs of war who no-one else would of gone for who helped get us up like mackie, orr, derry, hill and paddy.
granted he had the genius of adel , but he had faith in him where others might not of done.
he got a very poor on paper side into the premiership.

[harlowranger]

Put it back up Fraser if thats ok there was a bit missing !

The bit in bold anybody could make up that excuse in any Division in the land if they are at the bottom , utter poppycock!




Neil Warnock says his reputation was 'slowly poisoned' at QPR
Page last updated at 19:16 GMT, Thursday, 19 January 2012

Warnock was sacked after a run of eight Premier League games without a win Neil Warnock says he lost his Queens Park Rangers job as his reputation was 'slowly poisoned' by critics from within and outside the club.

He claimed a "lack of football experience" in the hierarchy left QPR open to "manipulative" people.

The 63-year-old said he was unhappy fans and players were able to talk to owner Tony Fernandes through Twitter.

Warnock told BBC Sport his achievements at the club were "almost a miracle" given what "I've had to contend with".

"Even the owner Tony...I know the influence he'll have had from certain people over the past few weeks," Warnock said.
"It would have been difficult to resist because people get on the phone and tweet and it's almost like slowly poisoning somebody from outside the club and no doubt from within the club as well.

"It's a dangerous precedent. If you let players talk to the chairman but, you know, you can't stop tweeting."

QPR sacked Warnock 11 days ago and has spoken about his dismissal at length for the first time, saying:

•he was disappointed Fernandes did not sack him face-to-face with chief executive Philip Beard delivering the news;
•he was surprised at the decision but has no bitterness towards QPR;
•his successor Mark Hughes is a "good manager", but Warnock "wished he had his agent";
•football had become 'immoral' because of players' wages and the manager's role was not as enjoyable anymore;
•he did not want to discuss about midfielder Joey Barton as "he just wants to talk about positive things at the club".
Despite guiding the London club to the Premier League during the 2010-11 season, the former Sheffield United and Crystal Palace boss was initially backed by Fernandes.

But, despite a poor run of results, Warnock says that "he didn't see [being sacked] coming," but believes the Caterham F1 team boss should have told him personally.

Warnock believes luck was not on his side during the 22 months that he spent at Loftus Road saying: "You look back and think 'nine points that we dropped in matches we should have won and we'd have been in the top 10'."

He also went on to rue the fact he "wished I'd had [Hughes'] agent at times over the last few years," referring to Hughes' representative Kia Joorabchian - who also represents Rangers targets Alex of Chelsea and Manchester City's Nedum Onuoha.


news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16634917.stm

[kilburnhoop]

Jan 19, 2012 19:22:35 GMT mikehunt said:

Jan 19, 2012 19:09:01 GMT kilburnhoop said:

Worst teams in the division? Dont you mean the biggest and best paid squad in the division?

what like rowlands, vine, buzacky and agymang who played no part.
im talking about the dogs of war who no-one else would of gone for who helped get us up like mackie, orr, derry, hill and paddy.
granted he had the genius of adel , but he had faith in him where others might not of done.
he got a very poor on paper side into the premiership.

How bout hulse,smith,routledge,miller,chimbonda, shittu all on huge wages??

[mikehunt]

only two of them played.
and i wouldnt think any of the others were on vine like wage packets.
he performed a miracle for me, if not for you then im cool with that.
will be a legend to me and if they name a suite or stand after him id be more than happy.

[kilburnhoop]

Jan 19, 2012 19:35:18 GMT mikehunt said:

only two of them played.
and i wouldnt think any of the others were on vine like wage packets.
he performed a miracle for me, if not for you then im cool with that.
will be a legend to me and if they name a suite or stand after him id be more than happy.

They all played for us last season at some stage! Im not anti warnock either mike, he had a fantastic season Last year. To nick a quote, "hes a great championship manager"

[mikehunt]

yeah mate i know what you mean, no probs.
oh and i meant played on the regular basis, the crux of the team who got us up was ramshackle nobodies who most clubs wouldnt of choice for automatic promotion. and not many seem to want now by the lack of teams rushing to take them off our hands.

[kilburnhoop]

Jan 19, 2012 19:43:02 GMT mikehunt said:

yeah mate i know what you mean, no probs.
oh and i meant played on the regular basis, the crux of the team who got us up was ramshackle nobodies who most clubs wouldnt of choice for automatic promotion. and not many seem to want now by the lack of teams rushing to take them off our hands.

Your right they were a right bunch! Difference was they were a team, they believed in each other and the momentum just kept growing. Im hoping hughes can do the same, the win against mk wasnt much but its a starting point, whos knows it could kick start our season.

[mikehunt]

to that. fingers crossed.
cos to be totally honest, id rather put out the team from mid way through last season out against wigan saturday than the one that played mk dons.

[kilburnhoop]

Jan 19, 2012 19:55:04 GMT mikehunt said:

to that. fingers crossed.
cos to be totally honest, id rather put out the team from mid way through last season out against wigan saturday than the one that played mk dons.

It was very poor. Barton needs to step up sat, captains performance, then he can tweet til the cows come home ;D

[harlowranger]

I wouldnt Mike , what Orr in place of Young ?
Hall in place of Ferdinand .Hulse in place of Bothroyd !
Come on get real ,the Team is working on different things , we need a few new ones and Tards and Traore back but not those others.

[mikehunt]

yeah but the team last season played as a team and with heart and passion, this one with some ex superstars hasnt in ages.
and thats all we would need against wigan at home is passion and heart imho harlow.

oh and no hulse please dont. i beg you, never mention that name in terms of a qpr team ever again please. ha ha