Such A Good Post It Belongs On Here

[eusebio13]

From the ever reliable and eloquent SirPie.

The Next Manager

Posted Yesterday at 03:39 PM by sirpiechucker
It appears that other than going back to De Canio the majority of fans now want (demand) a British Manager. Names such as Stuart Pearce, Alan Curbishley, Glen Roeder, Paul Ince, Dennis Wise & Darren Ferguson are being thrown around but for what reason? Are we in the belief that the only managers that will get you of this league are British or that somehow these men have what it takes to get us deal with both Briatore and a promotion campaign?

A year from now if we are a top 6 side and our best players have been playing regularly and we've invested more money into the first team people will have forgotten about Sousa, Dowie and those before them. Others (myself included) will still think that something should have happened this season. We already had an English manager, we already had a manager with experience in the Championship, we already had a manager with the knowledge of the opposition, we already had a manager who has taken a team from the Championship and into the Premiership. How many of the managers being touted for the job now can tick all those boxes. Curbishley may be the only one of those who has taken a team up but when was he last in charge of a Championship club? The answer 99/00 - from that league only 10 of the 24 teams are still Championship sides - hardly equates to a lot of knowledge about our opponents. Curbishley is the one man from that list who wouldn't work under Briatore.

So what are we left with? A group of managers who have little experience of working in this league, a group of managers who have little knowledge of getting teams promoted from the Championship (completely different league to League Two - Mr Ince and Mr Ferguson). Whoever is given the job will get my full backing but was Dowie doing such a bad job anyway? How about Sousa in comparison?

Arguably our best players are Vine and Buzsaky, some (myself included) believe the influence of Rowlands is huge and that he could walk into pratically any team in this league. Agyemang is another who gives an alternative option which we've missed since he was injured. So how did they all do under Dowie and Sousa? Note their availability under both managers compared with under De Canio:

Under Dowie
12 league matches - 13 goals (1.08 goals per game)

How many matches did Buzsaky play? 7 out of 12 (58%)
How many matches did Vine play? 0 out of 12 (0%)
How many matches did Rowlands play? 10 out of 12 (83%)
How many matches did Agyemang play? 8 out of 12 (66%)

What percentage did all three appear under Dowie? 52%
Total goals scored by all three under Dowie: 3
Total points available under Dowie: 36
Points achieved under Dowie: 18 (50%)

50% points achievement equates to 69 points over the course of a 46 match season. Last season 69 points finished 8th. If last season was about survival and this season was about improvement then from 14th to 8th would have been a good achievement especially with 4 of our core players only playing 52% of the time.

Under Sousa
23 league matches - 22 goals (0.95 goals per game)

How many matches did Buzsaky play? 0 out of 23 (0%)
How many matches did Vine play? 1 out of 23 (4%)
How many matches did Rowlands play? 9 out of 23 (39%)
How many matches did Agyemang play? 7 out of 23 (30%)

What percentage did all three appear under Sousa? 18%
Total goals scored by all three under Sousa: 1
Total points available under Sousa: 69
Points achieved under Sousa: 32 (46.3%)

46.3% points achievement equates to 64 points over the course of a 46 match season. Last season 64 points finished 10th. A slight improvement on 14th but this was with 4 of our core players only playing 18% of the time. The 4 made 16 out of a possible 92 appearances (1 appearance per player per match = 92). Buzsaky couldn't make an appearance under Sousa but played in all but seven of De Canio's teams while Vine played in all but six.

Under De Canio
34 league matches - 50 goals (1.47 goals per game) - Only WBA scored more goals in this period

How many matches did Buzsaky play? 27 out of 34 (79%)
How many matches did Vine play? 28 out of 34 (82%)
How many matches did Rowlands play? 32 out of 34 (94%)
How many matches did Agyemang play? 17 out of 21 (81%)

What percentage did all three appear under this manager? 84%
Total goals scored by all three under this manager: 30

Sousa and Dowie are now in the past but both were on course to make improvements on last season. Both did it without some of their key players. As I've already said in a year from now if we are in the top 6 and more money has been invested I ask people to remember that Dowie and Sousa were not failures but were doing the job without key players and the extra investment which a new manager would have been given.

[weavie]

oh yes the sirpiechucker is such a great poster hes the only one who never puts up a bad post

trully superbe

[eusebio13]

In fact I've noticed a certain shortness in his posts with QBP recently, SPC why don't you come and live here ?

[QPR Report]

I could never and make an "illegal approach" for another poster on another board. Others should do what they think is best!

[eusebio13]

SirPie belongs to the world

[weavie]

WE LOVE SIRPIE
HES THE GOVERNER

[eusebio13]

And another......

"I've been a member of this and the old board for over a year now. I regularly have members thanking me for the time and effort I put in with my stats, which I am very grateful for. The majority of the time I enjoy the banter on here and most of what is said is harmless fun. I believe there is no point arguing an issue unless you have a logical reason or evidence to prove it. For example, last week I asked why do people believe Gary Hooper can make the step up to the Championship? I was expecting answers about his abilities as a footballer (speed, strength, positioning, good touch) but instead I kept getting the answer that its because he has scored goals in League One, which doesn't actually answer the question.
Anyway, until recently I could honestly say that this forum and its members have never annoyed me and never could. Oh how wrong was I? This forum is about debate and opinion on all things QPR. You ask questions and people provide answers and you debate the differences. When you've agreed your differences or are happy with the answers you move on. You don't start a new thread asking the same question hoping that a new set of readers will answer the question how you want it answered. If someone during a debate sets a question which you don't like or answers a question which is different from what you want to hear you don't ignore the thread and hope it goes away. When your point has been proven wrong you don't start a new debate hoping someone else will prove you right.

I get all my information to create the stats from various Internet sites. If you are reading this then you have access to the Internet and you can find them for yourself if you really are interested. Don't keep asking fellow members to provide the information for you. If they are kind enough to find them and then prove you wrong have the guts to admit you are wrong. There are a few members of this board who are rapidly losing the respect. This forum has the potential to be the biggest and most successful QPR forum on the web but at the same time it could crash and burn before next season unless people learn to respect one another.

I am not perfect. I have opinions and sometimes my opinions about certain players and managers are proven to be wrong but I'm not afraid to admit this. If I'm asked a question I will answer it even if it proves that I'm wrong. I don't start new threads to argue with new people.

I urge people to re-read that last paragraph and then admit their forum mistakes. Only then will people start re-respecting certain people. Until then this website will be fuelled with agression which in turn will end with nobody making comment as they will have had enough."

[bigade]

an extremely adriot person who's posts are always a good and informative read.some of us have contacts as i know he has and i have a couple within the club.sometimes that gets misconstrued as attention seeking.i was the first to call the takeover when it bhappened but i only did it to enlighten all the fans.i had one certain poster literally begging me for my source but that would be grossly unfair for me to divulge his name/role within the club.sirpie is a true fan who only wants what the majority of us want and thats success.i am still trying to persuade him to join my site as i think he is getting cheesed off just like eusabio did.

[cpr]

Apr 12, 2009 22:49:32 GMT bigade said:

an extremely adriot person who's posts are always a good and informative read.some of us have contacts as i know he has and i have a couple within the club.sometimes that gets misconstrued as attention seeking.i was the first to call the takeover when it bhappened but i only did it to enlighten all the fans.i had one certain poster literally begging me for my source but that would be grossly unfair for me to divulge his name/role within the club.sirpie is a true fan who only wants what the majority of us want and thats success.i am still trying to persuade him to join my site as i think he is getting cheesed off just like eusabio did.

Knob off monkey boy, he's ours.

[scarletpimple]

Baz....he'll shove a bannana up yer Rs if your not carefull........then again you might enjoy it.

[eusebio13]

Apr 12, 2009 23:40:02 GMT cpr said:

Apr 12, 2009 22:49:32 GMT bigade said:

an extremely adriot person who's posts are always a good and informative read.some of us have contacts as i know he has and i have a couple within the club.sometimes that gets misconstrued as attention seeking.i was the first to call the takeover when it bhappened but i only did it to enlighten all the fans.i had one certain poster literally begging me for my source but that would be grossly unfair for me to divulge his name/role within the club.sirpie is a true fan who only wants what the majority of us want and thats success.i am still trying to persuade him to join my site as i think he is getting cheesed off just like eusabio did.

Knob off monkey boy, he's ours.

You shouldn't talk to a mod like that he could ban you

[sirpiechucker]

**blushing with embarrassment**

Thanks for the kinds words one and all. I will indeed post more often on here as I am bored with the repetitiveness of WATRB. Although I will still post on that board the recent debates are over before they have begun.

Bigade - By the way I have no contacts with the club and as far as I am aware I've never met anyone who posts either on this board or one WATRB.

[eusebio13]

Well deserved praise SPC. I still look at WATRBs every day as with all the sites and it maybe me but the Sousa affair has chased off a lot of the good posters....don't see PK on there anymore and haven't spotted gtleigh for a while...perhaps they have other reasons?

[sirpiechucker]

Apr 16, 2009 13:25:21 GMT eusebio13 said:

Well deserved praise SPC. I still look at WATRBs every day as with all the sites and it maybe me but the Sousa affair has chased off a lot of the good posters....don't see PK on there anymore and haven't spotted gtleigh for a while...perhaps they have other reasons?

Perhaps but I think some of it had to do with DFE, some of it is to do with lots of mods not showing consistency with what is "off topic" and what is offensive and too much banging on about the same thing. Nobody wants to debate on the same thread anymore they would rather start a new thread to have their voices heard. If I were a mod (and I don't want to be one) I would either delete threads that are repetitive or merge them together. Problem though is that its a 24/7 board and you don't have mods on there all of the time.

Hopefully when a new manager is appointed and the transfer window opens the mood of the board will change and it will become a better board to debate on. Until then its the same thing everyday which gets tiresome.

[cpr]

Apr 13, 2009 12:29:20 GMT eusebio13 said:

Apr 12, 2009 23:40:02 GMT cpr said:

Knob off monkey boy, he's ours.

You shouldn't talk to a mod like that he could ban you

Good point Eus, although Scarlet's observation is more likely!

Anyway, I'm still trying to take in all the facts and percentages of the initial post, easily done I know but I'm still confused. ;D

I have to say, I see no reason for people to not be allowed to post on more than one site, I know I do and I know quite a few others that do. Pete's site is not fo me, never has been. I was quite happy when his site started, although I didn't think the fans needed another it meant that all the "ITK's" disappeared from "Rivals" as was.

Therefore, I must assume this is why sirpiechucker is kind of unknown to me (I have read the odd post over there, thanks Mike) but I must say, I like the cut of his gib, as it were. As Eus says, you are more than welcome Sir. ;D

[sirpiechucker]

Apr 16, 2009 13:49:41 GMT cpr said:

Apr 13, 2009 12:29:20 GMT eusebio13 said:

You shouldn't talk to a mod like that he could ban you

Good point Eus, although Scarlet's observation is more likely!

Anyway, I'm still trying to take in all the facts and percentages of the initial post, easily done I know but I'm still confused. ;D

I have to say, I see no reason for people to not be allowed to post on more than one site, I know I do and I know quite a few others that do. Pete's site is not fo me, never has been. I was quite happy when his site started, although I didn't think the fans needed another it meant that all the "ITK's" disappeared from "Rivals" as was.

Therefore, I must assume this is why sirpiechucker is kind of unknown to me (I have read the odd post over there, thanks Mike) but I must say, I like the cut of his gib, as it were. As Eus says, we are more than welcome Sir. ;D

Thanks CPR. I'm a stat fan but I am also a realist and an optomistic. I also believe both players and managers should be judged fairly and not quickly. I understand Chairmen who fire managers when teams are struggling but do not understand both Chairmen and fans who want managers sacked when we are both building and achieving.