Should Warnock Be Sacked Immediately

[cpr]

This thread has two opposing well written views.

qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=28691&page=1#220243

Make your own mind up.

[RoryTheRanger]

I think it's spelt 'no', not 'np'

[maudesfishnchips]

what is np? hope it means no

[cpr]

Wish I'd put yep

LOL

[froggyranger]

my vote is in and it seems i'm not alone!

[klr]

I would say no, but would understand if they did...#sitting on the fence#

Isnt that how they do it on Twitter.

The tide is definately starting to turn against him though.

Do you back him in the Transfer market & then have to sack him if Wigan beat us ?

Do you hold your nerve & give him your full backing ?

Its a tough one, & what has happened at Sunderland doesnt help his case.

[dsqpr]

I voted "yes". I love the guy for what he has done for us but I just don't think he is up to the job at this level. We need to move forward and right now he is taking us backward, down to the Championship. He also loses brownie points with me for his obvious disdain for cup competitions.

[cpr]

Jan 6, 2012 21:03:41 GMT @klr said:

I would say no, but would understand if they did...#sitting on the fence#

Isnt that how they do it on Twitter.

The tide is definately starting to turn against him though.

Do you back him in the Transfer market & then have to sack him if Wigan beat us ?

Do you hold your nerve & give him your full backing ?

Its a tough one, & what has happened at Sunderland doesnt help his case.

Let's see how much of a "tide" there actually is eh, that's the point.

Why back him then sack on the back of 1 defeat, makes no sense.

Holding your nerve might convince the fans you aren't Flavio.

O'Neill is no longer available though and he had a love for that club from boyhood. Where's our version that could win three games? Who's to say Sunderland's bubble doesn't burst and they collapse again, it's all subjective.

[cpr]

I'll close this tomorrow before going to franchise fc.

For those viewing but not voting.

Yes = 1
Np = 10

Close. ;D

[Macmoish]

In "The Olde Days," if/when the owner or Chairman wanted the Manager out: The manager would ostensibly have said something "untoward" to a supposed fan...Magically, it would have gotten onto a message board...And boom the club had an excuse to act....

[londonranger]

I want him to exit niceley and let soeome else have a go. After all keeping the team up is pretty critical.,

if possible.. If you had a team that was circling the sewer playing like this team is in the Prem, would you hire Neil Warnock. Not bloody likeley. No matter what he had done before.
Yesterdays performances dont count today for a team that didnt prepare itself to go up because the former owners wanted out and the new owner was too late almost for a measured rebuild.
Id want a very clever quick fixer who would hire the right coaches to teach, clean up and guide. So put thay in your pipe and smoke it.

[cpr]

Jan 6, 2012 21:50:10 GMT londonranger said:

I want him to exit niceley and let soeome else have a go. After all keeping the team up is pretty critical.,

if possible.. If you had a team that was circling the sewer playing like this team is in the Prem, would you hire Neil Warnock. Not bloody likeley. No matter what he had done before.
Yesterdays performances dont count today for a team that didnt prepare itself to go up because the former owners wanted out and the new owner was too late almost for a measured rebuild.
Id want a very clever quick fixer who would hire the right coaches to teach, clean up and guide. So put thay in your pipe and smoke it.

Who is this magical individual?

Two years ago it was Colin for this very club.

Who now then?

[cpr]

Yes = 1
Np = 14

Even closer!

[Macmoish]

Name the tobacco, to put in my to smoke!

Who is this "clever quick fixer?" Actual name. Has to be available and willing to join...

[fraserinbc]

I'm in the keep Warnock camp, but this is an interesting article from last year. Note that it refers to thise teams in the bottom three, but someone has to replace those who get out of the scrap:

blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/05/17/to-save-yourself-from-relegation-history-says-sack-the-manager/

Why sacking the manager is the best way to save a team from relegation

Continuity, we are told, is the key. Look at United and Sir Alex, Everton and Moyes, Arsenal and Wenger – this is how to run a successful football club.

But if a club finds itself at the other end of the Premier League table, do the same rules apply? Does continuity simply mean continuing on a downward spiral that eventually ends in the Championship?

These thoughts follow the relegation of West Ham and their decision to retain the services of Avram Grant right through the season. For once, a club’s decision to stand by their manager has been widely criticised. They should have been shot of Grant much earlier apparently.

So where continuity is seen as the key to long term success – is it possible that chop and change is the key to short-term survival?

A study of the previous 10 Premier League seasons paints an interesting picture. I looked at the 30 clubs that were in the bottom three at the turn of the year (a good mid-season indicator of how a team is faring) and then compared them to the 30 that were eventually relegated to the Championship.

Of those 30 clubs in the bottom three at the turn of the year, 10 survived. What is revealed is a startling fact – all 10 of those clubs had something in common – they changed their manager mid-season.

Some classic examples where a change of boss inspired survival spring to mind. Bryan Robson replaced Gary Megson at West Brom in 2004/05. The Baggies would became the first club in the history of the Premier League that beat the drop having been bottom of the table on Christmas day. More recently there was the appointment of Roy Hodgson at Fulham, who led the Cottagers to four wins in their last five games, culminating in victory over Portsmouth at a sun drenched Fratton Park to keep them afloat on goal difference.

Of those 30 clubs in the bottom three at New Year, 20 didn’t survive. Eight of those clubs stuck with their manager and in every single case they were relegated.

So then, despite the regularly spouted wisdom as to the importance of continuity, it would seem that with the threat of relegation looming there is a more successful alternative. Quite simply, if a club is in the bottom three at New Year, their best chance of survival lies with a change of manager. Just this season, we’ve seen West Brom replace Roberto Di Matteo with Roy Hodgson and slip away from the clutches of the bottom three.

Yet a change of boss, rather like buying shares, comes with a warning: Clubs can stay up as well as go down. Of the 20 teams relegated that had been in the bottom three at the turn of the year, twelve of them changed the boss to no avail.

See below for a full run-down of the last 10 seasons to see which teams were bottom at the turn of the year, who survived and who went down…

Key: NY = bottom three at New Year, SE = bottom three at end of the season, Green = survived, Blue = relegated and changed manager, Red = relegated and kept manager

2009/10

NY: Bolton (Gary Megson replaced by Owen Coyle), Hull (Phil Brown replaced by Iain Dowie), Portsmouth (Paul Hart replaced by Avram Grant)

SE: Burnley (Owen Coyle replaced by Brian Laws), Hull (Phil Brown replaced by Iain Dowie), Portsmouth (Paul Hart replaced by Avram Grant)

2008/09

NY: Tottenham (Juande Ramos replaced by Harry Redknapp), Blackburn (Paul Ince replaced by Sam Allardyce), West Brom (stuck with Tony Mowbray)

SE: Newcastle (Sam Allardyce sacked, Kevin Keegan resigned, Joe Kinnear had a health scare and was replaced by Alan Shearer), Middlesbrough (stuck with Gareth Southgate), West Brom (stuck with Tony Mowbray)

2007/08

NY: Wigan (Chrish Hutchings replaced by Steve Bruce), Fulham (Lawrie Sanchez replaced by Roy Hodgson), Derby County (Billy Davies replaced by Paul Jewell)

SE: Reading (stuck with Steve Coppell), Birmingham (Steve Bruce replaced by Alex McLeish), Derby County (Billy Davies replaced by Paul Jewell)

2006/07

NY: West Ham (Alan Pardew replaced by Alan Curbishley), Charlton (Iain Dowie sacked, Les Reed sacked and was replaced by Alan Pardew), Watford (stuck with Aidy Boothroyd)

SE: Sheffield United (stuck with Neil Warnock), Charlton (Iain Dowie sacked, Les Reed sacked and was replaced by Alan Pardew),Watford (stuck with Aidy Boothroyd)

2005/06

NY: Portsmouth (Alain Perrin replaced by Harry Redknapp), Birmingham (stuck with Steve Bruce), Sunderland (Mick McCarthy replaced in by Kevin Ball on caretaker basis)

SE: Birmingham (stuck with Steve Bruce), West Brom (stuck with Bryan Robson), Sunderland (Mick McCarthy replaced in by Kevin Ball on caretaker basis)

2004/05

NY: Crystal Palace (stuck with Iain Dowie), Southampton (Steve Wigley replaced by Harry Redknapp), West Brom (Gary Megson replaced by Bryan Robson)

SE: Crystal Palace (stuck with Iain Dowie), Norwich City (stuck with Nigel Worthington), Southampton (Steve Wigley replaced by Harry Redknapp),

2003/04

NY: Tottenham (Glenn Hoddle replaced by David Pleat on caretaker basis), Leeds (Peter Reid replaced by Eddie Gray), Wolves (stuck with Dave Jones)

SE: Leicester (stuck with Micky Adams), Leeds (Peter Reid replaced by Eddie Gray), Wolves (stuck with Dave Jones)

2002/03

NY: Sunderland (Peter Reid replaced by Howard Wilkinson, replaced by Mick McCarthy), West Brom (stuck with Gary Megson), West Ham (Glenn Roeder replaced by Trevor Brooking on health grounds)

SE: West Ham (Glenn Roeder replaced by Trevor Brooking on health grounds) West Brom (stuck with Gary Megson), Sunderland (Peter Reid replaced by Howard Wilkinson, replaced by Mick McCarthy),

2001/02

NY: Derby (Jim Smith, replaced by Colin Todd, replaced by John Gregory), Ipswich (stuck with George Burley), Leicester (Peter Taylor, replaced by Dave Bassett, replaced by Micky Adams)

SE: Ipswich (stuck with George Burley), Derby (Jim Smith, replaced by Colin Todd, replaced by John Gregory), Leicester (Peter Taylor, replaced by Dave Bassett, replaced by Micky Adams)

2000/2001

NY: Middlesbrough (Bryan Robson replaced by Terry Venables), Manchester City (Stuck with Joe Royal), Bradford (Chris Hutchings replaced by Jim Jeffries)

SE: Manchester City (Stuck with Joe Royal), Coventry (Stuck with Gordon Strachan), Bradford (Chris Hutchings replaced by Jim Jeffries)

[cpr]

Good but we're not in the bottom three however if everyone wants Bryan Robson, bring it on, I won't go to another game until he's gone mind.

[alfaranger]

Jan 6, 2012 21:58:31 GMT fraserinbc said:

I'm in the keep Warnock camp, but this is an interesting article from last year. Note that it refers to thise teams in the bottom three, but someone has to replace those who get out of the scrap:

blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/05/17/to-save-yourself-from-relegation-history-says-sack-the-manager/

Why sacking the manager is the best way to save a team from relegation

Continuity, we are told, is the key. Look at United and Sir Alex, Everton and Moyes, Arsenal and Wenger – this is how to run a successful football club.

But if a club finds itself at the other end of the Premier League table, do the same rules apply? Does continuity simply mean continuing on a downward spiral that eventually ends in the Championship?

These thoughts follow the relegation of West Ham and their decision to retain the services of Avram Grant right through the season. For once, a club’s decision to stand by their manager has been widely criticised. They should have been shot of Grant much earlier apparently.

So where continuity is seen as the key to long term success – is it possible that chop and change is the key to short-term survival?

A study of the previous 10 Premier League seasons paints an interesting picture. I looked at the 30 clubs that were in the bottom three at the turn of the year (a good mid-season indicator of how a team is faring) and then compared them to the 30 that were eventually relegated to the Championship.

Of those 30 clubs in the bottom three at the turn of the year, 10 survived. What is revealed is a startling fact – all 10 of those clubs had something in common – they changed their manager mid-season.

Some classic examples where a change of boss inspired survival spring to mind. Bryan Robson replaced Gary Megson at West Brom in 2004/05. The Baggies would became the first club in the history of the Premier League that beat the drop having been bottom of the table on Christmas day. More recently there was the appointment of Roy Hodgson at Fulham, who led the Cottagers to four wins in their last five games, culminating in victory over Portsmouth at a sun drenched Fratton Park to keep them afloat on goal difference.

Of those 30 clubs in the bottom three at New Year, 20 didn’t survive. Eight of those clubs stuck with their manager and in every single case they were relegated.

So then, despite the regularly spouted wisdom as to the importance of continuity, it would seem that with the threat of relegation looming there is a more successful alternative. Quite simply, if a club is in the bottom three at New Year, their best chance of survival lies with a change of manager. Just this season, we’ve seen West Brom replace Roberto Di Matteo with Roy Hodgson and slip away from the clutches of the bottom three.

Yet a change of boss, rather like buying shares, comes with a warning: Clubs can stay up as well as go down. Of the 20 teams relegated that had been in the bottom three at the turn of the year, twelve of them changed the boss to no avail.

See below for a full run-down of the last 10 seasons to see which teams were bottom at the turn of the year, who survived and who went down…

Key: NY = bottom three at New Year, SE = bottom three at end of the season, Green = survived, Blue = relegated and changed manager, Red = relegated and kept manager

2009/10

NY: Bolton (Gary Megson replaced by Owen Coyle), Hull (Phil Brown replaced by Iain Dowie), Portsmouth (Paul Hart replaced by Avram Grant)

SE: Burnley (Owen Coyle replaced by Brian Laws), Hull (Phil Brown replaced by Iain Dowie), Portsmouth (Paul Hart replaced by Avram Grant)

2008/09

NY: Tottenham (Juande Ramos replaced by Harry Redknapp), Blackburn (Paul Ince replaced by Sam Allardyce), West Brom (stuck with Tony Mowbray)

SE: Newcastle (Sam Allardyce sacked, Kevin Keegan resigned, Joe Kinnear had a health scare and was replaced by Alan Shearer), Middlesbrough (stuck with Gareth Southgate), West Brom (stuck with Tony Mowbray)

2007/08

NY: Wigan (Chrish Hutchings replaced by Steve Bruce), Fulham (Lawrie Sanchez replaced by Roy Hodgson), Derby County (Billy Davies replaced by Paul Jewell)

SE: Reading (stuck with Steve Coppell), Birmingham (Steve Bruce replaced by Alex McLeish), Derby County (Billy Davies replaced by Paul Jewell)

2006/07

NY: West Ham (Alan Pardew replaced by Alan Curbishley), Charlton (Iain Dowie sacked, Les Reed sacked and was replaced by Alan Pardew), Watford (stuck with Aidy Boothroyd)

SE: Sheffield United (stuck with Neil Warnock), Charlton (Iain Dowie sacked, Les Reed sacked and was replaced by Alan Pardew),Watford (stuck with Aidy Boothroyd)

2005/06

NY: Portsmouth (Alain Perrin replaced by Harry Redknapp), Birmingham (stuck with Steve Bruce), Sunderland (Mick McCarthy replaced in by Kevin Ball on caretaker basis)

SE: Birmingham (stuck with Steve Bruce), West Brom (stuck with Bryan Robson), Sunderland (Mick McCarthy replaced in by Kevin Ball on caretaker basis)

2004/05

NY: Crystal Palace (stuck with Iain Dowie), Southampton (Steve Wigley replaced by Harry Redknapp), West Brom (Gary Megson replaced by Bryan Robson)

SE: Crystal Palace (stuck with Iain Dowie), Norwich City (stuck with Nigel Worthington), Southampton (Steve Wigley replaced by Harry Redknapp),

2003/04

NY: Tottenham (Glenn Hoddle replaced by David Pleat on caretaker basis), Leeds (Peter Reid replaced by Eddie Gray), Wolves (stuck with Dave Jones)

SE: Leicester (stuck with Micky Adams), Leeds (Peter Reid replaced by Eddie Gray), Wolves (stuck with Dave Jones)

2002/03

NY: Sunderland (Peter Reid replaced by Howard Wilkinson, replaced by Mick McCarthy), West Brom (stuck with Gary Megson), West Ham (Glenn Roeder replaced by Trevor Brooking on health grounds)

SE: West Ham (Glenn Roeder replaced by Trevor Brooking on health grounds) West Brom (stuck with Gary Megson), Sunderland (Peter Reid replaced by Howard Wilkinson, replaced by Mick McCarthy),

2001/02

NY: Derby (Jim Smith, replaced by Colin Todd, replaced by John Gregory), Ipswich (stuck with George Burley), Leicester (Peter Taylor, replaced by Dave Bassett, replaced by Micky Adams)

SE: Ipswich (stuck with George Burley), Derby (Jim Smith, replaced by Colin Todd, replaced by John Gregory), Leicester (Peter Taylor, replaced by Dave Bassett, replaced by Micky Adams)

2000/2001

NY: Middlesbrough (Bryan Robson replaced by Terry Venables), Manchester City (Stuck with Joe Royal), Bradford (Chris Hutchings replaced by Jim Jeffries)

SE: Manchester City (Stuck with Joe Royal), Coventry (Stuck with Gordon Strachan), Bradford (Chris Hutchings replaced by Jim Jeffries)

Thats a good 'un that. What potential for debate.
I'll start. Harry Redknapp to replace Warnock.

[cpr]

Update for viewers.

Yes = 2
Np = 14

Closing in....

[Jon Doeman]

Voted no, honestly don't think we are that far away from being a good team, and Neil can turn it around. But I would say to TonyF, if he has decided on this, don't waste any more league games, before cutting the rope, and reading between the lines, that's going to happen.

[dsqpr]

Jan 6, 2012 22:16:31 GMT cpr said:

Update for viewers.

Yes = 2
Np = 14

Closing in....

Just out of interest, why did you hide the results from anybody that hasn't voted and then post them in the thread so that anybody who hasn't voted can see them? I guess the vote was going your way!

[londonranger]

I did not know there was a vote because I dont run through the threads that closeley.

[londonranger]

I dont know who the quick fixer, but thats not my job. If I owned the team i would be getting urgent

consultation. Just watched Swansea give Villa a hiding. Wayne R got his first Prem goal after about 100 matches. Now he helped us go up last year with some loveley play. We are living without him.
No one is indispensable and no one is heroic who guides this team to the place they are now.

[cpr]

Jan 6, 2012 22:29:55 GMT dsqpr said:

Jan 6, 2012 22:16:31 GMT cpr said:

Update for viewers.

Yes = 2
Np = 14

Closing in....

Just out of interest, why did you hide the results from anybody that hasn't voted and then post them in the thread so that anybody who hasn't voted can see them? I guess the vote was going your way!

You have just confirmed your view is skewed.

I didn't hide anything, just put up a poll, my brother in law views but doesn't post and he text me to say he can't see the votes. I had no intention of hiding anything, I think it's the firsy poll I've ever done but don't let that stop you creating your own agenda!

[cpr]

On that note

Yes = 2
Np = 19


Currently > 90% of our posters don't want him sacked now.




Of course, they may not suit the agenda of some.



I honestly don't care coz ultimately, we decide fekkall as it's always been and always will be.

Don't let that stop you accuse me of having an agenda though!

[ozhoop]

Is Sven working atm? He could always do with another golden handshake.

[dsqpr]

CPR, having an opinion (which I have) is not the same as having an agenda (which I do not have).

It must be pretty easy for you to see how it seemed odd that you created a poll where the results were hidden, presumably to prevent people from being swayed by the votes of others because people can be a bit like sheep that way, then posted the ongoing tally! Now that you have explained why, I understand. But you can surely see how it seemed odd and may have indicated that you were pursuing an agenda.

And how you think that pointing that out confirms my view is skewed is beyond me. To be honest, I don't even know what you mean by "skewed". Skewed towards what? I think it would be in QPR's best interests for NW to be relieved immediately because if he is not, I think we will be relegated. That's it. How is that "skewed"?

And for the record, I think the best case scenario would be for NW to be kept at the helm and for us to stay up, so I hope I am wrong about his ability as a Premiership manager. Time will tell.

[Bushman]

I voted np.

[canadaranger]

It's np and tuck? - No, it's a runaway No vote! In Warnock we (still) trust!

[londonranger]

If we lose to MKDons, should Neil Warnock be sacked, adored, or any other type of opinion?

[RoryTheRanger]

Jan 7, 2012 0:07:24 GMT londonranger said:

If we lose to MKDons, should Neil Warnock be sacked, adored, or any other type of opinion?

I think if we lose he is gone