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Post by Macmoish on Jan 6, 2012 17:16:43 GMT
Sorry. But I don't think his player signing record is at all bad.
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Post by klr on Jan 6, 2012 17:17:37 GMT
Not one person was calling for Colin's head after ten games, now after twenty it's kin meltdown, there's eighteen to go yet. Whether you like or loathe him, the whole club needs support not a fractured fanbase with whinging and moaning. I wonder what's happened to some of our fans I really do, get the feeling some are supporting the wrong club!!!  Fair, but I also think that if we dont beat Wigan at home then Warnock will be sacked anyway, therefore you can make an argument for backing him or sacking him now. I also agree its unfair / a little bit disrespectful to the guy, but this is the nature of the game / league we are in, if we had three points more, none of us on this board would be having this discussion or suggesting this outcome, this is how thin the margins are in "The Premier League" |
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Post by klr on Jan 6, 2012 17:19:12 GMT
Sorry. But I don't think his player signing record is at all bad. No, its not bad, Young, Traore, Ferdinand were / are good signings, SWP & Barton havent been a success. Bothroyd, DJ, Gabbidon etc were before these rich people came in anyway. |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 6, 2012 17:22:09 GMT
Do people remember the drek of the Paladini-Briatore years...We must have signed of loaned 50, 70, 70 players....Probably 10% of them were even moderate successes.
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Post by cpr on Jan 6, 2012 17:32:37 GMT
Not one person was calling for Colin's head after ten games, now after twenty it's kin meltdown, there's eighteen to go yet. Whether you like or loathe him, the whole club needs support not a fractured fanbase with whinging and moaning. I wonder what's happened to some of our fans I really do, get the feeling some are supporting the wrong club!!! Fair, but I also think that if we dont beat Wigan at home then Warnock will be sacked anyway, therefore you can make an argument for backing him or sacking him now. I also agree its unfair / a little bit disrespectful to the guy, but this is the nature of the game / league we are in, if we had three points more, none of us on this board would be having this discussion or suggesting this outcome, this is how thin the margins are in "The Premier League" This is true, I do not disagree at all klr. I'm not Colin's greates fan and I've been tugged for calling him that but in my mind he's our Colin now. Yes I can find fault, I did last season! Anyway, I've seen it in a tea bag. A win at MKDonalds Franchise FC saves his job, we comfortably stay up, he remains our manager until he passes away at 96 by which time, we've won the league 20 times are champions of europe every year and everyone goes into meltdown over who can ever replace him, trust me. ;D |
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 6, 2012 19:49:39 GMT
Not one person was calling for Colin's head after ten games, now after twenty it's kin meltdown, there's eighteen to go yet. Whether you like or loathe him, the whole club needs support not a fractured fanbase with whinging and moaning. I wonder what's happened to some of our fans I really do, get the feeling some are supporting the wrong club!!! Sorry cpr gave Warnock benefit if the doubt earlier in season, but some of his decisions team wise have been woeful. |
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 6, 2012 19:58:36 GMT
Sorry. But I don't think his player signing record is at all bad. No, its not bad, Young, Traore, Ferdinand were / are good signings, SWP & Barton havent been a success. Bothroyd, DJ, Gabbidon etc were before these rich people came in anyway. Agree KLR ive been well happy with those three ! His signings have been good for us Clarke , Tofas ,Moen , Hulse apart ! |
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Post by cpr on Jan 6, 2012 20:09:34 GMT
Not one person was calling for Colin's head after ten games, now after twenty it's kin meltdown, there's eighteen to go yet. Whether you like or loathe him, the whole club needs support not a fractured fanbase with whinging and moaning. I wonder what's happened to some of our fans I really do, get the feeling some are supporting the wrong club!!! Sorry cpr gave Warnock benefit if the doubt earlier in season, but some of his decisions team wise have been woeful. The benefit of what doubt exactily? He came in, he kept us up, the following season we were champions. What doubt is this and where did you express this doubt? I questioned him last season, on here but ultimately, what did it matter? I have no problem with discussing tactics, team selection, substitutions etc but to simply dismiss a manager with that amount of knowledge and experience is simply unacceptable, especially when not offering any options whatsoever. Right then Fernandes, here's the plan. Sack Warnock and his coaching staff. Stick SWP and Barton with the kids. Then crack on son, could be good, bound to survive. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 6, 2012 20:19:03 GMT
Sorry cpr gave Warnock benefit if the doubt earlier in season, but some of his decisions team wise have been woeful. The benefit of what doubt exactily? He came in, he kept us up, the following season we were champions. What doubt is this and where did you express this doubt? I questioned him last season, on here but ultimately, what did it matter? I have no problem with discussing tactics, team selection, substitutions etc but to simply dismiss a manager with that amount of knowledge and experience is simply unacceptable, especially when not offering any options whatsoever. Right then Fernandes, here's the plan. Sack Warnock and his coaching staff. Stick SWP and Barton with the kids. Then crack on son, could be good, bound to survive. CPR I think you just peaked, this is my favourite post in months, well said  |
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Post by cpr on Jan 6, 2012 20:23:23 GMT
The benefit of what doubt exactily? He came in, he kept us up, the following season we were champions. What doubt is this and where did you express this doubt? I questioned him last season, on here but ultimately, what did it matter? I have no problem with discussing tactics, team selection, substitutions etc but to simply dismiss a manager with that amount of knowledge and experience is simply unacceptable, especially when not offering any options whatsoever. Right then Fernandes, here's the plan. Sack Warnock and his coaching staff. Stick SWP and Barton with the kids. Then crack on son, could be good, bound to survive. CPR I think you just peak, this is my favourite post in months, well said Thank you eus but you've clearly not read saphilip's post yet.  |
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Post by nomar on Jan 6, 2012 20:43:06 GMT
People want Warnock out because they've now seen enough to be convinced of what the rest of the football world already knew, namely that he is not good enough at this level.
People also want Mark Hughes because they see a man there who has ambition and vision to match guys like Bhatia, Mittal and Fernandes. They see a man who has managed three clubs and gotten top 10 Premier League finishes at every one of them. They see a man who has taken every club he's managed into Europe and who revived Wales national team when it was at rock bottom.
We all wanted Warnock to succeed, but there comes a point when you have to detach yourself from emotion, look at the cold hard facts and realize that the man is out of his depth at this level. I can assure you that Fernandes, Beard and Mittal have already done just that and it looks like they're reaching (or in all truth have probably already reached) the same conclusion.
The truth is that if TF is serious about staying up and moving the club forward then Warnock has to go. Because if Warnock stays then, even if by some miracle we stay up this season, we will be in the same position again next year.
Hughes would attract players to this club that Warnock never could. Hughes knows how to handle Premier League players and the egos that come with them. Warnock's methods work in the Championship. They don't cut it in the dressing rooms of the Premier League.
As sad as it is, this is really as good as it will ever get with Warnock.
The people that you are sneering at for wanting Warnock out are wanting him gone for one reason only. And that is because they care enough about this club to know that if we are to have any future in this league he has to be relieved of his duties.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 6, 2012 20:47:30 GMT
The people that you are sneering at for wanting Warnock out are wanting him gone for one reason only. And that is because they care enough about this club to know that if we are to have any future in this league he has to be relieved of his duties. are you the same people that booed our players at the sunderland match? |
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 6, 2012 20:47:44 GMT
Not one person was calling for Colin's head after ten games, now after twenty it's kin meltdown, there's eighteen to go yet. Whether you like or loathe him, the whole club needs support not a fractured fanbase with whinging and moaning. I wonder what's happened to some of our fans I really do, get the feeling some are supporting the wrong club!!! Fair, but I also think that if we dont beat Wigan at home then Warnock will be sacked anyway, therefore you can make an argument for backing him or sacking him now. I also agree its unfair / a little bit disrespectful to the guy, but this is the nature of the game / league we are in, if we had three points more, none of us on this board would be having this discussion or suggesting this outcome, this is how thin the margins are in "The Premier League" I am not really sure about this. Most of the 'opinion' in here is based on a collection of posts on this and other boards which has been whipped up only by ourselves. There is very little direct input of actual evidence. Such evidence that does exist 'tweets', the interview this morning etc are picked over and we have a 100 different opinions of the same tweet/interview from 100 different people. Its not true to say that if we had 3 more points we wouldnt be at this stage calling for NW to be sacked because at least one of our active posters makes sure that sacking Warnock is included as a line in every post he makes. Delenda est Warnock (with apologies to Cato the Elder). We seem to be taking the approach that if its mentioned often enough (and the web is great for this) then it must be true-just like Atlantis. |
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Post by cpr on Jan 6, 2012 20:50:03 GMT
Great post, you overestimate Hughes in my opinion but well written reposte, worthy of thought.
Personally don't think Hughes could keep us up with what we have and of course Fulham and Villa could not match his lofty amitions.
He's also from the fergy school of managers who all ultimately fail.
Bruce, Robson, Ince, Kean, probably more.
Edit: That referred to nomar's last post.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 6, 2012 20:59:52 GMT
Sorry but look at how badly Hughes failed at Man City. He had all the money in the world and did nothing. It's taken on the worlds best managers to turn that team around after Hughes was done with it. He signed players like Bridge, SWP and Sylviho. His big money signing was Robinho, who flopped. Yes he signed Tevez but that was more of a Sheik signing.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 8, 2012 19:14:34 GMT
That's pretty much how I saw it, as well. On the other hand.... 
qblockpete tweets "qprreport everything these people say gets ultra scrutinised and fuels you with too much ammunition"On the ball as usual, I guess!  |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 13, 2012 9:54:06 GMT
Week flashback..>Fernandes was tweeting and we were trying to interpret what was being said...Some of us - most of us thought one thing was being said. Some thought something else... That's pretty much how I saw it, as well. On the other hand....
qblockpete tweets "qprreport everything these people say gets ultra scrutinised and fuels you with too much ammunition"On the ball as usual, I guess! |
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