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Post by superckat on Jan 2, 2012 18:52:46 GMT
Anyone who thinks the way forward for QPR at the moment, is to sack another manager, needs their head testing. Well said |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 2, 2012 19:00:12 GMT
Also agree.
But just to be clear: You are obviously allowed to advocate the dismissal of Warnock.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 2, 2012 19:01:30 GMT
Anyone who thinks the way forward for QPR at the moment, is to sack another manager, needs their head testing. Well said This thread is embarrassing and I'm really disappointed that someone with as much experience as London would start it. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 2, 2012 19:02:33 GMT
Also agree. But just to be clear: You are obviously allowed to advocate the dismissal of Warnock. and we're allowed to point out that that idea is ridiculous |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 2, 2012 19:05:24 GMT
Absolutely: Both points of view can be expressed and disagreed with and argued and refuted. That's a message board. All I ask is retaining calmness. As many have said - as we strive so hard to ensure - that is what makes this board often so different. (That and also not having 30 separate threads on the same subject... Or Starting a new thread with every differed match report or comment  |
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Post by londonranger on Jan 2, 2012 19:12:26 GMT
Just came back from brain testing, and All areas fully functional, the football decision area, particularly is quite remarkably intact.  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 2, 2012 19:17:31 GMT
I have cleared my head up a bit with a McDonalds hot chocolate and IMO to sack Warnock now would mean certain relegation. slightly ot rory, but do you take the train? Nope, I go by car |
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Post by londonranger on Jan 2, 2012 19:40:03 GMT
why do people think I would predict QPR losing 2-1 today when almost everyone else bar Gramps,and we are both from same era know that losing teams keep losing and the longer they keep losing and the longer they keep losing the longer they lose. Dramatic changes have to be made for teams to pull out of
this. Sentimentality and what a bad time and all is well strains the imagination.
That sounds like everything is going so well and all we get is results, change nothing.
For those that take such extreme umbrage at even the hint, let alone to write it, about manager change, and make snide comments about those that do, explain why the performance of this team up to now is so attractive to them and cant be tampered with. This is one thing I will not say and will not think, that they need their brains tested
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Post by cowleyhoop on Jan 2, 2012 19:48:02 GMT
I don't think getting rid of him will help us right now but i do worry that we have far to many players out of their depth. Its not the players fault if they are not good enough but i am starting to fear that warnock is also lacking. Im sure anybody who was at the game could see what was coming after bartons stupid reaction and sending off and bringing our best attacking player off when losing was at best an awful descision. At this point i can't decide if he's unlucky or inept i guess time will only tell and we should all try hard not to over react
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 2, 2012 19:52:01 GMT
slightly ot rory, but do you take the train? Nope, I go by car the QPR squad travel by lead balloon ;D not all doom and gloom yet, warnock must stay, todays game was lost on the officials wrong decisions, i still see plenty to be positive about, and we will come out of this slump. whether thats enough to make us stay in this league i'm not sure, but to be honest i'm not bothered if we do go down, we start building from the bottom, we start with proper scouting and youth development, training facilities. and not trying to build on inherited foundation of overpaid flunkies and italian poison. exciting times. |
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Post by terryb on Jan 2, 2012 20:18:50 GMT
I can't fathom many of Warnock's team selections or his substitutions. The way he treats players differently is also beyond my powers of understanding.
However, if we were to change management now our chances of making any signings in January (apart from mercenaries) are fairly non-existent. If the players were to stop putting effort into their performances then of course he would have to go, but this is not the case.
Prior to playing Bolton we were virtually guaranteed 20th position. At the moment we have a reasonable chance of staying up & any change of management is likely to reduce that posibility.
It is not that we are in the position when we replaced Les allen. We don't have a Gordon Jago sitting in the wings!
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 2, 2012 20:29:47 GMT
Good posts Maude and Terry , lot of sense in both of those .
If we have to go through another 18 games like this then so be it , my heart can just about take it i suppose ,although London does have a point re the mentality thing seeping in and we are running out of games that we can conceivably win !
If we go down must think we can come straight back up though , may take anything from 1-10 years who knows .
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 2, 2012 20:35:40 GMT
Of course relegation would be the true test of Tony Fernandes!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 2, 2012 20:39:46 GMT
Of course relegation would be the true test of Tony Fernandes! yes. i'm almost more curious about that then anything else. |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 2, 2012 20:39:47 GMT
what will our ticket prices be like in the championship next season. obviously fernandez will have to lower them, he will take a hit in the pocket for that. our proposed new stadium idea will be put on the backburner for another owner to dredge up in the next 10-15 years. feel sorry for fernandez though. he has bought into a club where the manager has as much power as himself, players and assistant manger are allegedly showing up for training half cut most days. out most influential player wants out, and we are going down the pan .
still i love rangers, i do!
YOU R'SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
still, i loved the championship. avrage players on medioca wages but the passion was there. thats where warnock has been throughout his 40 year carrer so it will suit him.
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Post by tom007 on Jan 2, 2012 20:56:32 GMT
I AGREE WITH LONDON 100 per cent i been saying for ages NW is a hero for getting us up but is proven not good enough for this league ie: the best in the world. to compete you need the best managers and NW aint it.
i agree with venebles or maybe lets try to get gerry francis away from spurs and back with us and as for the coaching staff a complete joke , ok for championship or league 1 but please we are supposed to be in the premiere league players should be gone that aint,coaches are not good enough and manager not good enough tactically inept.enough said.
saturday he said what a clever player he fouls and refs dont notice bla,bla,bla,bla.
and today the same thing is said of norwich players today.he thinks the whole world is against him and concentrates more on complaining than thinking about his crap tactics and rediculous team selections and placement of players on the field out of positions etc.
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Post by cpr on Jan 2, 2012 20:57:36 GMT
There's me being questioned for always calling him Colin, even if i regard it as a term of endearment now. The one thing everyone that I recall agreeing on at the end of last season was that he deserved to manage the team this season in the prem. I've questioned the selections and tactics all season as I did last season but he's got what he deserves and what we agreed he deserves, too late and pointless to turn on him now in my opinion. As has already been mentioned, a change undermines the players he's relied on, the players he's brought in and more importantly, the players he's been negotiating to bring in. The window is open, he is the one trying to drag players through it. By the time we got a new manager and the names mentioned don't inspire me, it'll be too late for that manager to have any impact with players of his own choosing. Like it or not, we have to stand together and support the club, players and the whole coaching staff. Yes, even if that is in a blindly optomisitc way. We'll stay up anyway, trust me.  |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 2, 2012 21:00:03 GMT
I AGREE WITH LONDON 100 per cent i been saying for ages NW is a hero for getting us up but is proven not good enough for this league ie: the best in the world. to compete you need the best managers and NW aint it. i agree with venebles or maybe lets try to get gerry francis away from spurs and back with us and as for the coaching staff a complete joke , ok for championship or league 1 but please we are supposed to be in the premiere league players should be gone that aint,coaches are not good enough and manager not good enough tactically inept.enough said. saturday he said what a clever player he fouls and refs dont notice bla,bla,bla,bla. and today the same thing is said of norwich players today.he thinks the whole world is against him and concentrates more on complaining than thinking about his crap tactics and rediculous team selections and placement of players on the field out of positions etc. no chance getting francis from spurs....he's with stoke. |
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Post by tom007 on Jan 2, 2012 21:12:13 GMT
sorry maude get him from stoke then.lol i do think someone who played for us,who managed us succesfully and now we have money unlike before when he managed us he would have a better chance of bringing limited success to our team.
thats my opinion.
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Post by cpr on Jan 2, 2012 21:17:59 GMT
sorry maude get him from stoke then.lol i do think someone who played for us,who managed us succesfully and now we have money unlike before when he managed us he would have a better chance of bringing limited success to our team. thats my opinion. Basing your theory on what evidence? The evidence is, he buggered off and left us when we needed him most and failed abysmally at Spurs, crept back to us with his tail between his legs then ran away again, no thanks. Like I said, no decent alternative offered so a pointless debate. |
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Post by Sabas on Jan 2, 2012 21:32:49 GMT
I think we played well in the 2nd half (especially considering the 10 men), so there's hope.
What Warnock should do is learn his squad, his tactics, the ones that work; and stick to it. To stop 'punishing' players for silly reasons and just let them play.
Dropping SWP (for that mistake) was a mistake. Shunning Taarabt for that long was a mistake. Get it together and start playing consistent quality football. The one that was played with Newcastle, Wolves, Man City and Stoke (and Spurs/Norwich in the 2nd halves).
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 2, 2012 21:43:02 GMT
Sad to say it but Warnock has been found out just like his previous attempts at the prem. Whether sacking him would keep us up i dont know, but he his taking us down at the moment. Saying that we are not in the bottom 3 and if the league finished today wed be safe. We have used more players than any other team in the prem, desperation springs to mind. If you were tony fernandes would you trust him with more money?  ? |
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Jan 2, 2012 21:49:38 GMT
I posted after the sunderland game all my thoughts why we must abandon nw for the sake of the club albeit reluctantly--swansea was a half decent result but why we made no subs for the final 20 mins when the match was there for the winning and hh and jm were out on their feet was mystifying--arsenal I expected no points but as it happened we could have knicked a point but for individual error--and today we completed the circle and arrived back pre sunderland--I spoke to several norwich fans after the game who were very very relieved--to a man they couldn't understand us playing with just one striker as not one of them thought their back four were up to much--hh tried hard but whitehead (i think) had him in his pocket.
this is where nw fails for me--poor formation and tactics--he has to rev the team up and have a go from the off--not try this containing formation,trying to play calculating possession football as we simply don't possess the quality players to keep the ball for long enough and are not sound enough in defence to ensure a shutout --we must have two up top otherwise it says to me the manager doesn't think we have what it takes attack and win .
Albeit our esteemed captain,who looked on the verge of having his first real game until he reverted to type,didn't help our cause ,we were so slow and lethargic from the outset. We must be brave as faint heart never won F*** all.
And please explain subbing adel with 8 mins to go?
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Post by gramps on Jan 2, 2012 21:51:33 GMT
I'm just going to support my team. i have seen no lack of effort, if they are not good enough, so be it. Panicking now, and turning on them won't help I'm with you glasto! Had we won today, a lot of these comments would not have appeared. Fickle footie fans strike again. |
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Jan 2, 2012 21:56:16 GMT
gramps the facts say we have 2 points out of 24 in our last 8 games--its not about today!
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Post by cpr on Jan 2, 2012 22:09:45 GMT
He's no better or worse manager than he was last season.
What is the benefit in replacing him? Can anyone answer the queries I've already posted?
Who should replace him then?
There's not been one sensible offering so far or justification for that offering.
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Post by nomar on Jan 2, 2012 22:11:03 GMT
There's me being questioned for always calling him Colin, even if i regard it as a term of endearment now. The one thing everyone that I recall agreeing on at the end of last season was that he deserved to manage the team this season in the prem. I've questioned the selections and tactics all season as I did last season but he's got what he deserves and what we agreed he deserves, too late and pointless to turn on him now in my opinion. As has already been mentioned, a change undermines the players he's relied on, the players he's brought in and more importantly, the players he's been negotiating to bring in. The window is open, he is the one trying to drag players through it. By the time we got a new manager and the names mentioned don't inspire me, it'll be too late for that manager to have any impact with players of his own choosing. Like it or not, we have to stand together and support the club, players and the whole coaching staff. Yes, even if that is in a blindly optomisitc way. We'll stay up anyway, trust me. Looks to me like the players he's relied on have gotten us into this sh*t in the first place, no? |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 2, 2012 22:13:35 GMT
All the people that want Warnock out can you please answer me this.
Who could we get to replace him??
Please don't say Mark Hughes as that will relegate us.
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Post by cpr on Jan 2, 2012 22:16:40 GMT
There's me being questioned for always calling him Colin, even if i regard it as a term of endearment now. The one thing everyone that I recall agreeing on at the end of last season was that he deserved to manage the team this season in the prem. I've questioned the selections and tactics all season as I did last season but he's got what he deserves and what we agreed he deserves, too late and pointless to turn on him now in my opinion. As has already been mentioned, a change undermines the players he's relied on, the players he's brought in and more importantly, the players he's been negotiating to bring in. The window is open, he is the one trying to drag players through it. By the time we got a new manager and the names mentioned don't inspire me, it'll be too late for that manager to have any impact with players of his own choosing. Like it or not, we have to stand together and support the club, players and the whole coaching staff. Yes, even if that is in a blindly optomisitc way. We'll stay up anyway, trust me. Looks to me like the players he's relied on have gotten us into this sh*t in the first place, no? So are you advocating not only getting rid of Colin but all his players as well?  |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 2, 2012 22:20:30 GMT
where did you play cpr in your playing days? i played left wing, can some other posters let nomar know where they played then we can get a team together to keep us up  |
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