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Post by sirpiechucker on Dec 13, 2011 14:15:29 GMT
So many names being banded about and so many stories which will in turn be nothing more than stories. I think we have to remember the size of the club, the personnel we already have at the club and the immediate short term plan. We've come a long way in a relatively short time and we mustn't get ahead of ourselves and start thinking that we're bigger and better than certain players.
Secondly the bigger the name, the bigger the salary and it won't be long before some others start demanding more money. It would appear that Tottenham will cave in to keep Modric which will ultimately mean that the likes of Bale, Van der Vaart etc will all expect more and make their own demands. How long before the wage cap not only gets smashed at Tottenham but doubles? We have to tread carefully ourselves because the agents of our current players will want to know exactly what the likes of a Defoe, Gomes or Pav are demanding and would expect the same if they were to join.
Thirdly, the immediate plan is to stay up and NW and TF have to decide whether it's better to get 5 or 6 decent players similar to the quality of Young, Traore etc or go for 2 or 3 bigger names but cost the same as the 5 or 6. The risk here is that an injury or two and we are back to where we are now but having 5 or 6 players solves the short term but those players might not neccessarily be the long term answer.
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 13, 2011 14:24:02 GMT
Buying in January always has a premium, especially striker look at last January:
Bent £24m
Torres £50m
Suarez £23m
Carroll £35m
Dzeko £27m
Very likely that we'll have to pay £4-6m for Zamora, slightly less for Pav
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Post by sirpiechucker on Dec 13, 2011 14:47:24 GMT
Buying in January always has a premium, especially striker look at last January: Bent £24m Torres £50m Suarez £23m Carroll £35m Dzeko £27m Very likely that we'll have to pay £4-6m for Zamora, slightly less for Pav I wonder what those players would have cost if bought in the summer. If clubs could have negotiated over months rather than weeks. Considering Fabregas' age and ability it ridiculous to think he was cheaper that Carroll. I think our safest and cheapest option considering the price that has to be paid for decent players in January is probably a loan or two. If Jol and Zamora have fallen out and MJ wants rid then maybe we could do a loan with a view to a permanent. If the papers are right and Amauri does sign for Spurs then maybe we could bring Pav in on loan. Then we our league status is known we could sort out permanent deals in the summer. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 13, 2011 15:42:46 GMT
Buying in January always has a premium, especially striker look at last January: Bent £24m Torres £50m Suarez £23m Carroll £35m Dzeko £27m Very likely that we'll have to pay £4-6m for Zamora, slightly less for Pav I wonder what those players would have cost if bought in the summer. If clubs could have negotiated over months rather than weeks. Considering Fabregas' age and ability it ridiculous to think he was cheaper that Carroll. I think our safest and cheapest option considering the price that has to be paid for decent players in January is probably a loan or two. If Jol and Zamora have fallen out and MJ wants rid then maybe we could do a loan with a view to a permanent. If the papers are right and Amauri does sign for Spurs then maybe we could bring Pav in on loan. Then we our league status is known we could sort out permanent deals in the summer. Isn't the point that those clubs will want to cash in while they can, so a loan fee would be similar to a purchase fee? |
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Post by sirpiechucker on Dec 13, 2011 16:05:59 GMT
I wonder what those players would have cost if bought in the summer. If clubs could have negotiated over months rather than weeks. Considering Fabregas' age and ability it ridiculous to think he was cheaper that Carroll. I think our safest and cheapest option considering the price that has to be paid for decent players in January is probably a loan or two. If Jol and Zamora have fallen out and MJ wants rid then maybe we could do a loan with a view to a permanent. If the papers are right and Amauri does sign for Spurs then maybe we could bring Pav in on loan. Then we our league status is known we could sort out permanent deals in the summer. Isn't the point that those clubs will want to cash in while they can, so a loan fee would be similar to a purchase fee? I would expect Fulham would definitely be looking for cash as they would need it to bring in other players but if MJ puts too higher fee on Zamora then nobody will pay it. Tottenham might do the same with Pav. There's an expectation that clubs will pay over the odds but at the same time clubs will expect lots of money, which is where TF and NW have to decide whether to follow suit and pay more for the likes of BZ or RP then their worth or take the risk and hope that nobody goes in for them and try to either get them for less or offer a loan deal with a fee. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 13, 2011 16:49:53 GMT
Isn't the point that those clubs will want to cash in while they can, so a loan fee would be similar to a purchase fee? I would expect Fulham would definitely be looking for cash as they would need it to bring in other players but if MJ puts too higher fee on Zamora then nobody will pay it. Tottenham might do the same with Pav. There's an expectation that clubs will pay over the odds but at the same time clubs will expect lots of money, which is where TF and NW have to decide whether to follow suit and pay more for the likes of BZ or RP then their worth or take the risk and hope that nobody goes in for them and try to either get them for less or offer a loan deal with a fee. Come January there will be fairly long list of bottom half teams looking for goal scorers and some will gamble on spending big and that will drive up the cost of the limited players. NW keeps talking about oversees options and I would be ok with that as long as we get a proven EPL striker too. |
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Post by cowleyhoop on Dec 13, 2011 19:38:20 GMT
Not sure morals come into fry's thinking i rekon he'd sell his granny if you stuffed enough cash in a brown envolope
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 13, 2011 19:39:31 GMT
Maybe no Zamora interest then ?  maybe no Pav interest maybe we will end up with Johnson after all this ! Jol rubbishes Zamora rumours Fulham boss does not think there is any problem with striker Fulham manager Martin Jol has once again dismissed suggestions of a bust-up with Bobby Zamora amid reported interested from Tottenham, Sunderland and QPR. The 30-year-old's relationship with his manager has been a hot topic of debate in recent months and was fuelled further by the striker's omission from Saturday's match at Swansea. Zamora will return to the Fulham squad for Wednesday's crunch Europa League clash with Odense, but there is speculation the England international could leave in January. Former club Spurs, QPR and Sunderland have both been linked with Zamora, however, Jol has again played down speculation. "I said to him a few weeks ago, 'do you love this club?' and he said, 'yeah, I love this club, I love this team'," Jol explained. Motivation "I don't think there is any problem. I think the grass is always greener [on the other side] but it is not only for him. "There are always players in a squad of 24 or 25 players that look at other clubs, but this is a great club. "There is not one player that has told me he does not want to play for this squad. I feel if you look at the media, they started this Bobby thing in August. "There are a few youngsters that tell me they should be playing and are not playing all the time, but Bobby is totally different. "I wanted a good atmosphere and a good team that pushes each other so I thought last weekend it was time for Andy Johnson to play because he has scored goals. "He had good games and worked hard in training so that was the motivation." . |
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Post by londonranger on Dec 13, 2011 19:39:59 GMT
Mail says we have offerred 10 Mil for Zamora.
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 13, 2011 19:44:31 GMT
I hope not , as much as i like Zamora 10 million for someone 30+ i feel is to much too much !
I'm not saying hes finished but too much money , could get Hooper for nearer half that and only 22-23!
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Dec 13, 2011 19:55:35 GMT
10 mil no dont do it nw, far to much thats 2/3rds of our transfer budget, if he gets injured again we are stuffed, nw needs to look at the european leagues as well as here for better value than 10 mil for zamora.
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Post by cpr on Dec 13, 2011 20:43:27 GMT
Mail says we have offerred 10 Mil for Zamora. So the Mail is in fact saying we've broken the FA/Premier League transfer window rules? I think not and when does the Mail not speak with fork tongue? |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 13, 2011 22:08:44 GMT
SSN are running this Zamora story and earlier on it showed his goal scoring stats for Fulham. 18 goals in 87 games. Sorry but that is sh*te!!!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 13, 2011 22:10:45 GMT
368 minutes per goal and a 12% conversion rate.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Dec 13, 2011 22:20:41 GMT
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Post by daxvondrac on Dec 13, 2011 22:58:51 GMT
Yeah but he'd hold the ball up well for our real goalscorer...er, can anyone remind me of his name again?
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Post by sirpiechucker on Dec 14, 2011 13:10:22 GMT
I would expect Fulham would definitely be looking for cash as they would need it to bring in other players but if MJ puts too higher fee on Zamora then nobody will pay it. Tottenham might do the same with Pav. There's an expectation that clubs will pay over the odds but at the same time clubs will expect lots of money, which is where TF and NW have to decide whether to follow suit and pay more for the likes of BZ or RP then their worth or take the risk and hope that nobody goes in for them and try to either get them for less or offer a loan deal with a fee. Come January there will be fairly long list of bottom half teams looking for goal scorers and some will gamble on spending big and that will drive up the cost of the limited players. NW keeps talking about oversees options and I would be ok with that as long as we get a proven EPL striker too. Something tells me that O’Neill would have demanded a transfer budget before agreeing to go to Sunderland and with the losses of Gyan, Bent and Wellbeck they will go all out for a Zamora/Pav type player. If Pav wants to stay in London he may end up as Zamora's replacement after Bobby has signed for Sunderland - I should stop this negative thinking but entirely possible. I think the foreign root seems the most likely as established English players cost far more than their worth. Unfortunately whoever did scout Faurlin is no longer at the club (Gorman possibly) but luckily whoever scouted Pellicori and Alberti isn't there either. |
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Post by mikehunt on Dec 14, 2011 19:09:03 GMT
we only ever sign strikers who 'hold the ball up really well'.
zamora's a done deal then i take it.
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 14, 2011 20:32:52 GMT
QPR targeting Pavlyuchenko, De Jong and Tomkins
Harry Harris
ESPNsoccernet understands QPR boss Neil Warnock is keen to sign Tottenham's Roman Pavlyuchenko, Manchester City's Nigel de Jong and West Ham's James Tomkins in January.
Following Tony Fernandes' takeover in the summer, QPR were able to invest in the likes of Shaun Wright-Phillips and Joey Barton, and Warnock was this week told he will be given the funds to embark on a spending spree when the transfer window reopens.
"The board know we need some more players and they have been very supportive," Warnock said. "We are on the lookout for four or five. I'm not saying they're all going to be big-name signings, but we need numbers in the squad."
Both Harry Redknapp and chairman Daniel Levy have said Spurs will not part with any of their key stars in January, but Pavlyuchenko is among the fringe players who could move on in search of more first-team opportunities. Redknapp, though, will not sell until he has lined up replacements.
The De Jong deal would be a loan arrangement, with the Dutchman struggling to secure regular games this season, but the prospect of a deal being reached appear remote, with Roberto Mancini already resigned to losing Yaya Toure for the African Cup of Nations in January.
West Ham have already told ESPNsoccernet that a £3 million offer for Tomkins would be rejected out of hand. The former England Under-21 defender has three years remaining on his contract and has been offered an extension on improved terms should the Hammers secure promotion.
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 14, 2011 22:13:20 GMT
From this mornings Mirror , old news but for anyone that missed it ?
QPR are making plans for Nigel De Jong
13/12/11 By Football Spy Mirror
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QPR's Neil Warnock has launched an ambitious bid to sign Manchester City outcast Nigel De Jong on loan.
The Rangers boss is ready to tempt Roberto Mancini with an offer to bring the Netherlands international midfielder to Loftus Road for the rest of the season.
De Jong is on a list of targets for the January transfer window compiled by the Premier League new boys, who want his help in avoiding an instant return to the Championship.
The 26-year-old has not started a Premier League game for City since November, but did appear as a substitute in the defeat at Chelsea on Monday.
De Jong's City contract expires at the end of next season and wants the club to offer him a new deal.
But he has struggled to battle his way into Mancini’s starting XI, and Warnock will make an audacious attempt to land him when the window opens next month.
Warnock will be backed with substantial funds by chairman Tony Fernandes, as he also seeks a new striker and another centre-half .
He said: “The board know we need some more players and they have been very supportive. We are on the lookout for four or five.
“I’m not saying they’re all going to be big-name signings, but we need numbers in the squad.”
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 14, 2011 22:41:52 GMT
better be quick with this one if we are genuinely interested otherwise someone will snap him up.
Hodgson ponders £4m raid on Man City
Published 22:30 14/12/11 By Football Spy
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Roy Hodgson is ready step up his £4million chase for Nedum Onuoha amid fears Jonas Olsson is ready to leave West Brom.
Baggies boss has been trailing Manchester City centre-back Onuoha for several months and is poised to make a bid during the January transfer window.
City are willing to listen to offers for the England Under-21 international, who has only played twice for the club this season - both in the Carling Cup - after spending the 2010-2011 campaign on loan at Sunderland.
Hodgson and club chairman Jeremy Peace are in the process of finalising a firm offer following Olsson’s surprise announcement that he could quit the club at the end of the season .
Olsson has been involved in preliminary talks over extending his deal with Albion, but has told the club he wants to keep his options open.
The Sweden international feels good performances at Euro 2012 could earn him a move to a bigger Premier League side, or to a European club.
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 15, 2011 12:58:24 GMT
QPR transfers advisor Di Marzio admits trying for Atalanta striker Denis
12/15/2011
QPR transfers advisor Gianni di Marzio admits they tried for Atalanta striker German Denis.
Denis is leading the Serie A scoring charts this season and is on-loan at Atalanta from Napoli.
"Denis? I've known him since he played in Argentina, I wanted to bring him to Queens Park Rangers," revealed Di Marzio. "He lacked continuity at Napoli.
"With Atalanta he has found his place."
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Post by The Scooter on Dec 15, 2011 13:59:51 GMT
Why would anyone pay £10m for Zamora when he's available for £2.5m and in the latter years of his contract?
Pavlyuchenko should be going to Lokomotiv Moscow for around £6m.
De Jong? Just can't see that. Can think of half a dozen CL clubs across Europe that would bite Man City's hand off for him.
Still think we're more likely to see players "like" Zamora, Johnson, Williams etc. in before any superstars.
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Post by harbo on Dec 15, 2011 19:17:02 GMT
If we get Zamora for 3/4 million then ok but whats the difference between him and bothroyd? We need pace up front, nicky maynard/ gary hooper get involved!!!
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 15, 2011 20:50:22 GMT
One of the Spurs striking targets is almost definitely coming according to someone I met tonight...he wouldn't be more specific
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 15, 2011 20:52:16 GMT
if Pav comes i wont get excited one bit , DEFOE comes on loan and wow !
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Dec 15, 2011 20:54:39 GMT
at this rate were gonna have about 85 players.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 16, 2011 0:11:24 GMT
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Lewis to solve QPR's keeper crisis following talks with Posh director of football Fry
Queens Park Rangers are a step closer to solving their goalkeeping crisis after holding talks with Peterborough director of football Barry Fry over Joe Lewis.Sportsmail exclusively revealed Lewis played in a behind-closed-doors friendly for Rangers against Leyton Orient last week in front of manager Neil Warnock. Lewis is out of contract at the end of the season and Peterborough are prepared to sell the former England Under 21 keeper, who has also featured in two senior squads, in the January transfer window. Solution to the problem? Joe Lewis looks set to move to Loftus Road Solution to the problem? Joe Lewis looks set to move to Loftus Road Warnock has made finding a goalkeeper one of his top priorities for next month. Third choice Radek Cerny, 37, has played in Rangers’ last three Premier League matches after first-choice Paddy Kenny picked up a hip injury which will leave him sidelined for at least another month. Back-up keeper Brian Murphy is also injured. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2074757/Joe-Lewis-set-solve-QPRs-goalkeeping-crisis.html#ixzz1geShxwGF
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 16, 2011 21:23:13 GMT
Gomez on loan then ?
QPR appear to cool interest in keeper Lewis
16/12/2011
by David McIntyre
QPR appear to have cooled their interest in Peterborough goalkeeper Joe Lewis.
The former England Under-21 international, whose Posh contract expires next summer, has been training with the R’s ahead of a possible move to west London.
But Rangers’ initial approach to Peterborough was made soon after Paddy Kenny was ruled out for several weeks with an injury, and since then stand-in keeper Radek Cerny’s displays have surpassed expectations.
And with Kenny having made a swift recovery, QPR manager Neil Warnock must decide whether Lewis – whose first-team chances at Loftus Road might be limited – would be a worthwhile signing.
“I spoke to Peterborough but when we agreed it, in fairness I didn’t expect Radek Cerny to play like he has done,” Warnock admitted.
“It’s a certain type that’s willing to come as a back-up. Most keepers want to come as number one.
“I like Joe but we’ll have to see what develops over the next week or so. We’re looking at a few keepers.”
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 16, 2011 21:26:49 GMT
Keeper will have to wait to see if QPR want him By Paul WarburtonDec 16 2011 JOE Lewis is going to have to sweat on a move to QPR after the surprising form of Radek Cerny in goal. The Peterborough keeper (pic) has come under the Rs' microscope over the last fortnight and played in a behind closed doors friendly for Hoops against Leyton Orient. But such is the form of Cerny, who will keep fit-again Paddy Kenny on the bench against Manchester United on Sunday, Neil Warnock is having second thoughts over signing the Posh custodian. “We’re looking at a few keepers,” said the manager, “and I’m having a look at Joe. But when we agreed that (trial) with Barry Fry at Peterborough - we didn’t expect Raddy to play like he has done. “You need a certain type to come and play as number two – although I do like Joe, but we’ll know more in the next week.” Warnock is to meet the entire executive face-to-face for the first time in months on Tuesday to discus transfers in the January window – much to the manager’s relief. “We’ve got everyone together,” he said, “and it’s better than these computer links, even if it’s the modern way. A spontaneous reaction to things will be much better than what you get with a phone delay. “We’re looking to buy in two areas and supplement with loans. “This is our first year in the Premiership and we need to be careful. Anyway, the best business is always done in the summer, and we don’t want to pay stupid prices as you sometimes do in January.” Read More www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/london-qpr/2011/12/16/keeper-will-have-to-wait-to-see-if-qpr-want-him-82029-29967063/#ixzz1gjeI1ExO |
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