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Post by harlowranger on Nov 16, 2011 21:19:44 GMT
Barton wont stop tweeting until he gets into very serious trouble , my worry will be that it will be something in the end that may jeopardise his QPR future .
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Post by fraserinbc on Nov 16, 2011 22:39:08 GMT
to be fair to Mr Barton, he is not stating that the FA will John Terry guilty, just that he will be charged. Then, of course there will be the proceedings to find out whether or not he is guilty. Having said that, he should know that the FA cannot do anything until the police have finished their enquiries. And so it rumbles on...
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Post by ozhoop on Nov 17, 2011 1:58:01 GMT
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Post by sharky on Nov 17, 2011 9:00:49 GMT
The police investigation needs to conclude first si I say come on the Met and the FA, spread the love.........
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 17, 2011 23:27:50 GMT
According to the Mirror... EXCLUSIVE: Police want to charge Terry Published 23:00 17/11/11 By David Collins Police say there is enough proof to charge England captain John Terry over his alleged racist rant. They have quizzed six senior Chelsea players about the ugly on-pitch clash with QPR’s Anton Ferdinand and are sending a file to crown prosecutors to make a final decision. A source claimed: “There is a feeling among some officers that John Terry has a case to answer.” Chelsea centre-back Terry, 31, is said to have called Ferdinand a “f****** black c***” during a heated Premier League match last month. Anton, 26, said he did not hear the alleged comment at the time but was alerted to the row after the final whistle. Terry strenuously denies making racist remarks and insists his words have been taken out of context. The incident is being investigated by a team of up to 10 Met officers who have examined video footage of the game and spoke to several witnesses. Prosecutors will now have to consider if they have enough evidence to take the case to court, and whether it would be in the public interest. Several police from Hammersmith and Fulham borough reportedly feel he should be charged – but it is the CPS who will decide. They have quizzed defender Ferdinand as well as Chelsea stars about the 85th minute bust-up during the heated derby at Loftus Road on October 23. The next day, following the announcement of an inquiry by the Met, Terry said: “I’ll do whatever it takes to clear my name. I don’t have anything to hide.” It is understood Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas called the situation “a big misunderstanding” and is supporting his £150,000-a-week skipper. Ferdinand has submitted his account of the exchange to the FA. He said in a previous statement: “I have very strong feelings on the matter, but in the interests of fairness and not wishing to prejudice what I am sure will be a very thorough inquiry by the FA, this will be my last comment on the subject until the inquiry is concluded.” However the conclusion of the FA investigation has been delayed while the police inquiry was being completed. During the course of the police probe it was reported that Ferdinand received a death threat which led officers to recommend that he fit a panic alarm at his east-London home. The details in the note were said to have been so graphic that cops told Ferdinand and other close relatives they must take immediate precautionary measures. Despite the on-going investigation into his conduct, Terry was still given the captain’s armband during England’s 1-0 victory over Sweden on Tuesday. He has now led out the team 34 times - equalling Alan Shearer’s record - but was booed by some sections of the Wembley crowd when they played Sweden on Tuesday. www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Terry-racism-row-exclusive-Police-feel-have-enough-evidence-to-charge-Terry-article831694.html
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Post by sharky on Nov 17, 2011 23:39:52 GMT
If true, maybe Terry can get Blatter to be a reference for him. Afterall a hand shake makes it all ok!! Not.
Either way if true not looking good for Terry but looking much better for Anton and QPR.
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Post by eusebio13 on Nov 18, 2011 0:17:54 GMT
I think its ironic the amount of vitriol aimed a Blatter today yet so many players and ex-players who have come out in support of Terry. Surely he should have been stood down as England captain even if it was spun as a mystery injury.
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Post by ozhoop on Nov 18, 2011 5:57:44 GMT
Our own Sir Les has got involved.Keep them fires burning people I bet JT dreads opening the paper each morning now. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2063038/Les-Ferdinand-Even-FA-talk-action.htmlSepp Blatter has put his foot in it again with his ridiculous claim that there is no racism in football, and that players who are abused on the field should just put up with it and shake hands with the racists at the end of a game. His disgraceful comments and the weak-willed actions of FIFA and UEFA when faced with racist incidents say it all about their attitude. They don't know what racism is, and the reason they don't understand it is that Blatter and his ilk have never suffered from it, and nor have their families. Not that the authorities here are much better. Despite all the talk of eliminating racism from English football, it is still a big issue here. Racism is a major problem in our society, and football is in a powerful position to do something about it. But I don't think the authorities have taken a strong enough stance. When monkey chants were aimed at our black players during England's game in Spain a few years back, UEFA fined the Spanish FA 3,000 Euros . That was meaningless enough. But what did our FA do? We accepted it. There was no outrage, no demand for real action. They talk about kicking racism out of football but if they really want to eliminate it, why are there no strong deterrents? If a country's fans dish out racist abuse, suspend them from international competition or throw them out of tournaments. That would force their authorities to act. And firm action needs to be taken against racist players. If a player misses a drugs test, he is liable for a seven-month ban, which is effectively a season out of his career. That makes others think twice - a real deterrent. So why not apply that to players who use racist abuse? If they want people to believe they are taking the issue seriously, they need to make examples of one or two players, with similarly stiff suspensions to make others think twice. And it is no use saying, as Blatter and others have said, that these things are said in the heat of the moment. That is no excuse in law, and it should not be on the football pitch either. The blatant racism that used to exist in football is not so bad now, but you still feel it is under the surface. You may not hear the same level of racial abuse now, but I think it is because people are trying to be politically correct, not that they have seen the light. I used to get terrible racist abuse at certain grounds, and you cannot tell me that all those fans have either gone away or changed their minds. Racism is a widespread problem in society and football should be taking the lead against it by having more black coaches, managers and administrators at all levels. Sadly, Blatter's comments show that people in positions of power in football would rather bury their heads in the sand. They are in denial, and despite all the positive talk about moves to combat racism, it looks like window dressing to me.
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Post by ozhoop on Nov 18, 2011 8:57:46 GMT
So why not apply that to players who use racist abuse? If they want people to believe they are taking the issue seriously, they need to make examples of one or two players, with similarly stiff suspensions to make others think twice. One or two players? Who do you think he's reffering to? Nice one Sir Les.
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Post by sharky on Nov 18, 2011 9:10:16 GMT
So why not apply that to players who use racist abuse? If they want people to believe they are taking the issue seriously, they need to make examples of one or two players, with similarly stiff suspensions to make others think twice. One or two players? Who do you think he's reffering to? Nice one Sir Les. Nice one indeed. Don't mess with the Ferdinands. Mess with one, mess with all!!
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Post by ozhoop on Nov 18, 2011 9:39:35 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2063118/John-Terry-Police-want-Chelsea-captain-charged.htmlAdd to My Stories Share Under fire: Terry is braced for court action Police believe there is enough evidence to charge John Terry for racist comments he allegedly made to Anton Ferdinand. The Chelsea captain is said to have called Ferdinand a 'f******* black c***' in last month's defeat at QPR. Terry insists his comments have been taken out of context and vehemently denies making racist remarks. Police have spoken to six Chelsea players about the incident, and are set to file a case to the Crown Prosecution Service, with a source telling the Daily Mirror: 'There is a feeling among some officers that John Terry has a case to answer.' The CPS will now have to decide whether Terry should be taken to court. Centre of attention: Terry captained England in the win over Sweden on Tuesday Terry, who captained England in the 1-0 win over Sweden earlier this week, has vowed to co-operate with the Metropolitan Police. The 30-year-old: 'I'll do whatever it takes to clear my name. I don't have anything to hide.' Meanwhile, QPR boss Neil Warnock believes the international break has given Ferdinand vital time to put the racism row to the back of his mind and focus on football. In the limelight: Ferdinand was the victim of an alleged racist attack by Terry Warnock claimed the furore over the incident caused Ferdinand to make an error against Manchester City, in QPR's next match after the west London derby against Chelsea. 'He really defended poorly for the first goal against Manchester City but I wasn't surprised because the days before that, with all that was going on, were a nightmare for him,' Warnock told the Evening Standard. Allegation: Terry is accused of using racist language in the defeat at QPR 'The international break came at a good time for him. He has had a chance to put it to the back of his mind, get it out of the way and get on with things.' QPR said they had received a death threat addressed to Ferdinand in the wake of the racism allegations, but the manager hopes the 26-year-old will be back to his best for QPR's game at Stoke on Saturday. Ferdinand has not spoken outright about the issue, but in a statement released on October 31 he said he has 'very strong feelings on the matter.' The police and Football Association are still investigating the incident, while Chelsea are conducting their own investigation into chants of 'Anton Ferdinand – you know what you are,' during a Champions League game at Genk from a section of their fans. Another investigation into racial abuse is also under-way at Chelsea, as they respond to a complaint about an alleged comment directed at Blues striker Daniel Sturridge by one of their own supporters. All this comes at a time when FIFA President Sepp Blatter has gone on record to claim that there is no racism in football, making comments which Anton Ferdinand's older brother, Manchester United footballer Rio Ferdinand, has decreed as 'almost laughable' and 'condescending'.
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Post by sharky on Nov 18, 2011 15:36:02 GMT
Really can't understand why England are leaving Terry captain while this all hangs over his head. As pointed out, Blatter's friend Tokyo Sexwale from South Afica say the anti-racism stance of the England FA is deminished by them giving Terry the captaincy while he is under a racism cloud himself. Told you so!!!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Nov 18, 2011 20:02:05 GMT
good article this from the guardian on thursday. www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/nov/16/football-language-john-terryWhy John Terry has done his 'fronting up' for the last time It feels as if football is waging a war on our language, but at least the death knell for the phrase 'fronting up' has been sounded reddit this Comments (225) Marina Hyde guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 November 2011 23.15 GMT Article history No more fronting up to it for John Terry. Illustration: Mark McCormick Football makes logocidal maniacs of many of us. Blame it on media training, blame it on journalistic laziness, but players and press have a history of murdering language. Occasionally it is a mistimed challenge resulting in minor injury to a word, but every so often you get a horror tackle which basically results in a piece of vocabulary being forced to hang up its boots. I can't help feeling John Terry and the Football Association ended the career of "fronting up to it" this week. Despite the fact he is being investigated by the Metropolitan police and the FA itself, Terry was the player fielded by the governing body for a press conference ahead of Tuesday's Sweden game. "It is about being captain and coming out and facing up to it," ran a mantra on which Terry appeared to have multiple variations as the week wore on. "I am here, fronting it up and dealing with it." And yet, given that the one thing Terry wasn't allowed to talk about was "it", and that extra security had been laid on at his press conferences as if to underscore that point, the spectacle merely served as a death knell for the phrase "fronting up". The definition of "duty" may well be next. Terry believes all manner of things to be his "duty" as England captain. Yet, as frequently mentioned in this space, to be England captain is to occupy a position as important as that of a regimental goat. Within the confines of that role, Terry's duties include things like wearing the dress harness (an armband in his case), and not making unsightly deposits when on parade. There's really nothing in the rubric about not having a thing with someone who used to go out with someone who used to be your team-mate – not that you'd know it to hear some of the irrelevant indignation – and there certainly isn't anything about the noble business of having to "front up" in a series of parodically hamstrung press conferences, because if there were it would debase the notion of "duty" so far that it would implode. Others have already gone. We lost "passion" yonks ago – or rather it suffered a seismic semantic upheaval, and now directly equates to long balls to so-called target men, and a tactical grasp bordering on the remedial. Look up "passion" in the Very Concise Indeed Football Dictionary and there is that picture of a wild-eyed, head-bandaged Terry Butcher, his shirt drenched in blood and sweat and bulldog spirit and guts and character, and all the other substitutes for technique that have mostly not powered England into the business end of tournaments. "Trust" was the casualty after the last World Cup, when the FA issued a press release – apparently drafted by Relate – which declared: "We accept it is going to take time to rebuild the trust with the fans." A statement which so mischaracterised the nature of the relationship between any supporters and their national side that it threatened to subsume all legitimate definitions of trust into its black hole of idiocy. As for "respect", the sheer volume of senior players who appoint themselves unofficial fourth officials every week at the same time as larding their public statements with platitudes about "respect" suggests that one is officially six feet under. Of course, sports hacks have killed off many more words than footballers in their time, a crime not excused by their half-arsed attempts to replenish the pot by making up witless new ones, like "wantaway" and "boo-boys". Indeed, thanks to the ministrations of Her Majesty's press, some words and phrases are now marginally less meaningful than a collection of random keystrokes made by a woodpecker. Someone being "set to" do something is as likely not to do it as to do it. See also "mind games", a phrase which might once have denoted the complex game theorising of the cold war, or that bit in The Twits where all their furniture is glued to the ceiling so that the couple believe themselves to be upside down. It is now deployed when Sir Alex Ferguson makes even passing reference to a match official. Where will it end? Some argue that the rise of the Christian right in America has led to the secular definitions of words like "life" and "liberty" being replaced by new ones, and there are times when it feels as if football is waging a similar war on meaning. Perhaps ours is not to reason why – ours is merely to commemorate the fallen. So, RIP "fronting up". You left us too soon.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Nov 18, 2011 20:24:28 GMT
Really can't understand why England are leaving Terry captain while this all hangs over his head. As pointed out, Blatter's friend Tokyo Sexwale from South Afica say the anti-racism stance of the England FA is deminished by them giving Terry the captaincy while he is under a racism cloud himself. Told you so!!! The FA are bloody hypocrites.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2011 7:25:55 GMT
Should get some media focus! The Sun
JOHN TERRY and Luis Suarez face each other tomorrow — and will wear anti-racism T-shirts.The pair at the centre of racial abuse claims will clash during Chelsea's Premier League showdown against Liverpool. It is the final fixture of Kick It Out's 'weeks of action' to raise awareness. And it will be the ONLY match this weekend where players have to wear campaign T-shirts during the warm-up. Rival managers Andre Villas-Boas and Kenny Dalglish will wear campaign badges, announcements will be made over the Stamford Bridge PA system and both clubs have been briefed on the message Kick It Out want promoted. The previous top-flight game in the 'weeks of action' was QPR's 3-1 defeat against Tottenham at White Hart Lane. That was seven days after England skipper Terry was accused of abusing Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand. Uruguay striker Suarez has been charged by the FA with racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra at Anfield last month. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3945610/Luis-Suarez-and-John-Terry-to-wear-Kick-It-Out-shirts.html
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Post by waterbuffalo on Nov 19, 2011 8:28:41 GMT
I find it extraordinary that our match against Chelsea now involves the head of Fifa. 5 years ago I doubt that he would have known QPR even existed.
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Post by cpr on Nov 19, 2011 8:50:58 GMT
I find it extraordinary that the FA/Premier league would choose that game for the campaign. Are they trying to highlight it's meaninglessness? A player wearing a shirt that has been charged by the FA and a player on the opposition that police have said has a case to answer and passed it to the CPS. Talking of Blatter, I'm surprised his defence of his stupid comment was that it was directly as a result of racism in the English game.
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Post by sharky on Nov 19, 2011 15:07:25 GMT
Just listened to BBC World Service and comment from around the world was how could England take the high moral ground on racism in football when they gave the captain's band to someone being investigated for racial abuse.
Must say I agree.
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Post by eusebio13 on Nov 19, 2011 15:51:20 GMT
Just listened to BBC World Service and comment from around the world was how could England take the high moral ground on racism in football when they gave the captain's band to someone being investigated for racial abuse. Must say I agree. my point exactly.....they're making Blatter look victimised
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Post by sharky on Nov 28, 2011 23:18:51 GMT
Report in the Guardian says JT was interviewed under caution by the Met on Friday.
I just wish this would come to a head ASAP!!
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Post by sharky on Nov 28, 2011 23:21:02 GMT
Sorry Mac didn't see your new thread!!
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 28, 2011 23:32:31 GMT
No this is better: I just couldnt easily find it
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Post by cpr on Dec 1, 2011 15:49:21 GMT
Contrary to my last comment above, just heard that the police have passed to file on to the CPS. Seems there is a case to answer but up to the CPS to decide if they can convict or whether it's in the public interest to proceed. No rush eh!
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Post by froggyranger on Dec 1, 2011 15:57:59 GMT
Contrary to my last comment above, just heard that the police have passed to file on to the CPS. Seems there is a case to answer but up to the CPS to decide if they can convict or whether it's in the public interest to proceed. No rush eh! here's the link:: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15985420
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Post by cpr on Dec 1, 2011 16:18:31 GMT
Contrary to my last comment above, just heard that the police have passed to file on to the CPS. Seems there is a case to answer but up to the CPS to decide if they can convict or whether it's in the public interest to proceed. No rush eh! here's the link:: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15985420Blimey froggy, you het our news down there faster than we do up here! ;D Just one point in that article, "Terry was arrested under caution" is incorrect, he was interviewed under caution.
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Post by ozhoop on Dec 2, 2011 8:27:39 GMT
So they read him his rights ? Blinding.Next step sacrificial lamb to make Blatter save face. Hope he rots the slimey c@*t
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 2, 2011 8:34:30 GMT
Blimey froggy, you het our news down there faster than we do up here! ;D Just one point in that article, "Terry was arrested under caution" is incorrect, he was interviewed under caution. Bloody typical. Never any Police brutality when you need it. Don't know why we pay our taxes.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2011 8:53:51 GMT
The Guardian Jamie Jackson guardian.co.uk, Thursday 1 December 2011 16.01 EST Article history Chelsea's John Terry has vehemently denied the allegation, saying: 'I would never say such a thing'. Photograph: Mike Hewitt/Getty Images John Terry is waiting to discover if he will face any charges after police passed their file on his alleged racial slur of Anton Ferdinand to the Crown Prosecution Service. The CPS can take as much time as required to decide if there is enough evidence against the Chelsea and England captain for him to have a case to answer. The allegation arose from Chelsea's 1-0 defeat at Queens Park Rangers on 23 October. Terry has denied making any racist comments after footage of the incident circulated on the internet and a member of the public made an official complaint. The episode occurred in the 85th minute of the game at Loftus Road following an argument between Terry and Ferdinand. The Rangers defender, who did not see the video until later, talked to Terry after the game and, according to Terry, had no issue with the 30-year-old. But that evening Terry became aware of the building furore and issued a statement vehemently denying any wrongdoing. "I thought Anton was accusing me of using a racist slur against him. I responded aggressively, saying that I never used that term," he said. "I've seen that there's a lot of comments on the internet with regards to some video footage of me during the game. I'm disappointed that people have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying to Anton Ferdinand. I would never say such a thing and I'm saddened that people would think so." But after a complaint from a member of the public the next day the FA also received an official complaint from QPR and Terry, with Chelsea backing him, welcomed the opportunity to clear his name. He said: "I'll do whatever it takes to clear my name. I don't have anything to hide." Despite André Villas-Boas, the Chelsea manager, describing the situation as "a big misunderstanding" the FA also decided to investigate with the governing body meeting Ferdinand at QPR's west London training ground. On 26 October the potential impact of the situation on Terry's career was summed up when the former England striker Les Ferdinand – Anton's cousin – claimed that Terry should not play for his country again if the matter were proven. The incident was raised further when Hugh Robertson, the sports minister, urged the FA to "take strong action" if the allegation was proved, and that Friday (28 October) Anton Ferdinand was interviewed for two hours by the FA. During the interview Ferdinand made it clear he wanted a full investigation but it is not known precisely what he told the governing body regarding details of the actual incident. The following Monday Ferdinand issued a statement that thanked his club for their support and which also said: "I have very strong feelings on the matter but in the interests of fairness and not wishing to prejudice what I am sure will be a very thorough inquiry by the FA, this will be my last comment on the subject until the inquiry is concluded." Fabio Capello selected Terry for England's two friendlies against Spain and Sweden (he played in only the latter match) last month, saying his captain was innocent until proved guilty, while Terry pointed to "worldwide" support from people within the game. Last Friday he was finally interviewed by the police under caution at his home in Surrey before they decided late on Wednesday to pass the file to the CPS. Both Terry and Ferdinand – who has received abuse via Twitter and at least one threatening letter following the incident – will want the matter resolved as soon as possible. Due to legal complexities, however, this may not be possible. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/01/john-terry-alleged-racism-cps.
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Post by ozhoop on Dec 2, 2011 9:12:44 GMT
If the charges dont stick..
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Post by sharky on Dec 2, 2011 9:26:47 GMT
The plot thickens slowly..............................
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