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Post by sotonsuperhoop on Oct 17, 2011 9:15:01 GMT
With the likelyhood of no points from the next four games (although personally I think we'll sneak a draw at Tottenham!) and the fact we could be in the bottom three by the Norwich game do you think Neil is the long term future and is the Premiership a step too far for some of our players?
Did he get his tactics right on Saturday? Were we too defensive and why no changes earlier?
I have mixed feelings, all the talk about Tarbs after Fulham and now RicRocgate is Neil just a sly old fox deflecting attention away from sh*te on pitch displays or has he run out of ideas? Surely he can't be serious blaming an internet post as one factor in the sides poor display? We hear rumours of dressing room unrest and with Barton's comments on the defence at Fulham, and then Taarabt on Saturday are we about to implode?
I hope not, but the chemistry we all saw last season in the squad has clearly gone. My opinion of Neil is that he may not be the master tactician but his man management skills are second to none, but will this be enough? After NW publically slated Traore and his hints at Fitz-Hall thier confidence must be at rock bottom. I thought Traore looked very scared Saturday and afraid to make the forward runs which were so effective against Newcastle, Wolves etc.
I love Neil and what he has done for this club but I am starting to question his ability at this level, but then part of me says he can only manage the players he has, and if they are not up to the standard of the PL then its not really his fault. Such a pity TF couldn't complete his takeover a few weeks earlier.
There seems to be a lot of unreat amoungst the fan base and where I sat on Saturday I couldn't believe the negativity from the majority of fans. We are IMHO victims of our own success. NW came in like a breathe of fresh air and took this club forward faster than any manager previous, we then win away at Everton and Wolves and now everyone expects a favourable result every game. We've drawn 3 at home and won 2 away, have 9 points from 8 games and are 11th in the league. Last year we all agreed 2 points per game would get us promoted, now we need 1 point per game to remain in the top flight. Our expectations are now too high and people need to get real and enjoy where we are and the players we have.
My 14 year old summed it up very well on the way home after the match "the fans have waited 15years for this yet all they do is moan, we didn't loose and a draw is a step forward from when we played them in the FA Cup"
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 9:46:14 GMT
..... I have mixed feelings, all the talk about Tarbs after Fulham and now RicRocgate is Neil just a sly old fox deflecting attention away from sh*te on pitch displays or has he run out of ideas? Surely he can't be serious blaming an internet post as one factor in the sides poor display? We hear rumours of dressing room unrest and with Barton's comments on the defence at Fulham, and then Taarabt on Saturday are we about to implode? I hope not, but the chemistry we all saw last season in the squad has clearly gone. My opinion of Neil is that he may not be the master tactician but his man management skills are second to none, but will this be enough? After NW publically slated Traore and his hints at Fitz-Hall thier confidence must be at rock bottom. I thought Traore looked very scared Saturday and afraid to make the forward runs which were so effective against Newcastle, Wolves etc. I love Neil and what he has done for this club but I am starting to question his ability at this level, but then part of me says he can only manage the players he has, and if they are not up to the standard of the PL then its not really his fault. Such a pity TF couldn't complete his takeover a few weeks earlier.. As I said on another thread, I think Warnock has gone far beyond the pale in his personal attacks on the "ITK" Poster....Should be adopting a "Hate the Sin...Love the sinner" approach. I mean this poster, from what I understand, is a genuine QPR fan through and through, who posted - and you can even argue the merits. Certainly not for Warnock to say the things he's been saying. I don't understand a player leaking team news. Or his motivation for doing so. And I don't understand certain things the club is doing either re this board. (If you were really Machivellian - and if Paladini was still involved, would be more understandable - or at least one could speculate!) I'd back Warnock as manager through to the Spring - at EARLIEST. (Although I did of course read another "ITK" on that other site (Thread locked!) saying Martin O'Neil incoming. I confess I don't understand Barton being allowed to proclaim at will. I felt Taarabt was treated too leniently by Warnock - but that's his affair. I've never felt Warnock was a TOP Premiership manager. But I do think he's more than good enough for us right now. A shot goes in...QPR win a game..and suddenly the whole mood changes. And we become world beaters again. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 17, 2011 10:03:38 GMT
Their does seem to be an awful lot of anti Warnock posts popping up around the boards. I really don't know what to think at the moment, part of me really questions his tactics and the way he is handling the squad but another part feels loyal to him for last season.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 17, 2011 12:26:09 GMT
NW got us there NW deserves the season to keep us there.
Needs to sort out all this inter fighting though , thats not good you need a settled team of fighters to stay up in this league .
If NW is still there come May and we go down fair enough he had his chance with a decent budget and 'HE' failed again the Premiership and we try again in the Championship with Warnock or a new Man .
What is starting to aggrevate me are these petty excuses for our failings to overcome an opponent, no need just come out with it and say we were outplayed or we only at best deserved a draw , not decision this decision that , Messageboard this , your better than that Neil.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 12:40:30 GMT
Warnock has always been a noisy manager, personally I loved him at sheffied United.
I wouldn't change a single thing about him, look at what we did against newcastle, villa everton and wolves. We were excellent. And against wigan we were very unlucky. We should have had 3 more wins. The guy knows what he's doing. Trust in Sir Neil.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 13:05:00 GMT
Actually, all this stuff about Ric Roc, taraabt, Barton etc. it shows that things like Twitter, facebook etc are a huge distraction to all involved within football. MB's and websites for fans are one thing, but Players have the media/press in which to share things, they should leave the rest well alone - including Managers.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 13:12:10 GMT
I think twitter, facebook should be off limits, less is more. Don't talk unless you're a champ.
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Post by hitman34 on Oct 17, 2011 13:21:21 GMT
rory, two weeks ago you attacked me for questioning warnocks tactical ability, but now you post on this thred. you change like the wind.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 13:22:42 GMT
fight fight! Wooo!
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Post by The Scooter on Oct 17, 2011 15:48:15 GMT
Maybe Beckham has been promised a Player/Manager role from his old AEG muckers???
Who know's? I suspect Warnock's time is now limited though.
Clearly something very wrong at Harlington IMO.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 17, 2011 15:50:27 GMT
rory, two weeks ago you attacked me for questioning warnocks tactical ability, but now you post on this thred. you change like the wind. If you read my post you will see I am not anti Warnock, I just said I don/t know what to think at the moment because of the way he has dealt with RicRoc Gate. Also, 'attacked' is a bit of a strong word for a disagreement. |
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 15:57:30 GMT
Warnocks made some errors lately in my opinion.
Letting Hill go, coating off Traore for no real reason, subbing Adel at Fulham, dropping Adel saturday, not making it clear who takes the free kicks so they all argue and end up having a go, not playing Barton in his best position (going from Newcastle fans advice on when he was playing best for them).
Still worship the bloke though, but hes done some strange things. Still happy as the proverbial larry, 11th is great, if the stopped the season now we would all be ecstatic wouldnt we?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 16:00:00 GMT
I think most of us here back Warnock...and would give him a lot of managerial leeway - while still pointing to what we see as his flaws, etc.
I'm not sure we actually know what Fernandes/Beard/Bhatia will do...We know what they've said, of course....But I guess time will tell
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 17, 2011 16:56:32 GMT
rory, two weeks ago you attacked me for questioning warnocks tactical ability, but now you post on this thred. you change like the wind. And a while ago you attacked everybody on this site, calling us all 'blinkered idiots', threw your toys out the pram and stormed off in a huff proclaiming 'goodbye'. Now your back, so I guess like the wind you changed as well. Posters in glasshouses an' all......... I don't think Warnock's lost it at all. His recent handling of the team info leak was awful and that of an arsehole: Meet Neil Warnock, he'll be the first to tell you that. I still would be amazed if he could bring in 5 new players, cope with all the injuries and deal with the legacy left behind by Pallidini and our previous owners, whilst producing a Premiership side capable of holding it's own within 2 months of the season starting, without getting the funds until the last two weeks of the transfer window and hence not being able to plan. He should get another two years at least at the helm. We need stability and the ability to plan long term now we have a great owner in Fernandes. I trust Warnock to be able to form a decent side in this league with the funds that are now available and have never and will never believe in instant success in football. I'd also like to see him have enough time to help set up and start the academy. We all know how long it took Ferguson to stabilise ManU and Warnock got us up in 1 year. Joey, Subbuteo, Jaja, Almond and Young Skywalker will take time to bed in, especially with all the media work Joey is doing off the pitch and our performances reflect that. If Derry stays on the pitch, chuck him the armband, he's an actual leader and stop pandering to big shot Barton is all I ask of Neil. We can play well, we have played well and we will play well again. In the present climate I can see how it all looks a complete mess but all Warnock has done is take the pressure off the players off the back of two poor performances (except for the one that knows RicRoc!) by acting like a bit of a dick away from the dressing room. We all said that he was a Colin but thankgod he's our Colin. Well this is what you get with a Colin. In Colin I Trust and now expect!  |
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 17:01:10 GMT
Derry captain? Love the bloke, but i think hes days are becoming numbered.
My guess is he wont be first team for much longer. Not that i want that, hes a great player and great man, but if and when we change formation, it will be him sacarificed in my opinion.
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 17, 2011 17:05:35 GMT
Derry captain? Love the bloke, but i think hes days are becoming numbered. My guess is he wont be first team for much longer. Not that i want that, hes a great player and great man, but if and when we change formation, it will be him sacarificed in my opinion. If Colin is going to persist in playing him then make him captain. I'd drop him my-self to put Barton in that position, Faurlin can cope with that now and Derry has looked like he's off the pace lately, but he was superb against Everton and most importantly in Neil I trust. |
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 17, 2011 17:20:32 GMT
Long way to go yet.
It will be good to get these games out of the way. A few points would be a bonus.
U R's
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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 18:00:03 GMT
Derry seemed ponderous on Saturday and got caught in possession twice, makes sense to write him off then!  Just like last season, he is the captain! |
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Post by terryb on Oct 17, 2011 18:08:59 GMT
For what my opinion is worth, I think there is a big difference in doubting Warnock's ability to be manager of Queens Park Rangers & asking some questions about recent comments he has made.
Neil Warnock is by far the best person to manage our club at this moment & will remain so even if he MAY have recently made mistakes.
However,I do think it valid to ask if his treatment of Traore was right. Has he got to know the player well enough yet to know if he responds better to a bollocking or putting an arm around his shoulder? Will Traore feel that he has been treated differently to Adel? Will other players be annoyed if they perceive a difference in how he deals with problems?
Now is the time for Mr. Warnock to earn his salary in bringing the players back together (this is if it is right that the team spirit has been lost) & I for one believe that he has won the right & the trust to be left to get on with his job.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 18:28:08 GMT
Derry seemed ponderous on Saturday and got caught in possession twice, makes sense to write him off then! Just like last season, he is the captain! My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with his performance on saturday. If we play two up front or two wingers and striker (when the new man comes in january), Derry will be the one to go to the bench i think. Thought this for a while, well before saturday, thought it since its been obvious we cant score at home. |
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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 19:13:48 GMT
Derry seemed ponderous on Saturday and got caught in possession twice, makes sense to write him off then! Just like last season, he is the captain! My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with his performance on saturday. If we play two up front or two wingers and striker (when the new man comes in january), Derry will be the one to go to the bench i think. Thought this for a while, well before saturday, thought it since its been obvious we cant score at home. I didn't say you did say that, did I? His days may well be numbered but if someone better can take his place, Barton is not that man. Mark said he would drop him, I don't agree, his energetic start at Wolves pushed us forward and he could have scored very early with a great header that their keeper plucked out of the top corner somehow. That set the scene for our best win this season. Any player that came up with us could consider their days numbered, that simply depends on what we spend to replace players in any given position. Gorkss, who was pretty damn good last season has gone, Hill is on loan, Orr won't get a look in unless there is injuries or suspensions. Due to Tango and Cash we gave yearlong contracts to players who have now not even got in the bloody 25! Any manager is entitled to make mistakes, or things perceived with 20/20 hindsight vision to be mistakes anywat but what if, what if, what if, when Taarabt ran on chested that ball down and sweetly planted the ball in the back of the net with his left foot. Inspired substition, genius or stroke of luck? |
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 19:18:59 GMT
It will be a sad day when Derry does make way for someone else , i will say that.  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 17, 2011 19:32:49 GMT
I have a feeling Warnock will retire at the end of this season anyway to be honest. He deserves to stay imo, I'm just frustrated with what happened over this weekend.
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Post by ozhoop on Oct 17, 2011 20:02:28 GMT
It will be a sad day when Derry does make way for someone else , i will say that. Someone needs to nip up to Goodison Park to pick Derry's legs up.He told us he left his legs on the pitch he wernt wrong.. |
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Post by londonranger on Oct 17, 2011 20:11:58 GMT
My expectations have always been to take what I get. A goal is great. A draw better a win, over the moon. I am happy.
to survive and live a happy life, if a QPR fan, this is my fan mantra. That goes whatever league we are in.
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Oct 17, 2011 20:23:39 GMT
im with london, as long as there is a qpr im happy, i might get the hump if we lose, but if we lose i get over it, whatever the season i follow my team.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 17, 2011 20:31:13 GMT
At the end of the day its only a game of Football , much worse things are happening every day
all over the world , but still we all like a little gripe now and again , i mean we strive for perfection eh.
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Post by nomar on Oct 17, 2011 20:33:42 GMT
I've said enough about Derry on here already.
The guy is 34 years old, has no pace and, with all the will in the world, is not a Premier League class player.
You can bitch about it and throw your arms up and defend him all you want, but them's the facts. His situation is similar to Grant Holt at Norwich, a player who, on other forums, I predicted pre season would not be up to the standard required for the Premier League. Norwich appear to have recognized this early on and, despite the popularity of the player with the fans, dropped him.
This, in my opinion, is what makes Lambert a sought after manager and is why Norwich are ahead of us in the table.
You cannot afford to be sentimental in this division and sometimes you have to know when to say goodbye to guys who have been great servants to your club.
He was also responsible for Blackburn's equalizer.
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 17, 2011 21:54:26 GMT
Derry seemed ponderous on Saturday and got caught in possession twice, makes sense to write him off then! Just like last season, he is the captain! I'm not writing him off. Just dropping him to the bench, mainly so we can play Adel and two strikers up top and he's the player I would sacrifice to do that. Barton has more experience at this level and I honestly think Derry is going to struggle for pace in the Premiership and some bench time over the course of the season rather than starting every game would be better. As far as Derry being captain, we all know he leads on the pitch and it's in recognition of that and to knock Billy Big Boots Barton down a peg after slagging off Adel in public more than anything else that I say chuck him the armband. Joey doesn't deserve the armband if he's going to talk about his team mates like that in interviews. That should stay in the dressing room and not discussed in public. It has occurred to me that calling for Derry to be dropped and to give him the captains armband in the same post is a bit odd. How did that happen?! |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 21:55:16 GMT
Warnocks made some errors lately in my opinion. Letting Hill go, coating off Traore for no real reason, subbing Adel at Fulham, dropping Adel saturday, not making it clear who takes the free kicks so they all argue and end up having a go, not playing Barton in his best position (going from Newcastle fans advice on when he was playing best for them). Still worship the bloke though, but hes done some strange things. Still happy as the proverbial larry, 11th is great, if the stopped the season now we would all be ecstatic wouldnt we? Exactly. i do have faith in Warnock though. I think this Ric Roc stuff was only a minor distraction. N/W has to realise that a change in tactics is required. How we played in the first half against Villa was awesome, more of that please. |
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