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Post by QPR Report on Mar 25, 2009 14:31:04 GMT
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 25, 2009 14:44:24 GMT
Lets hope this will deter Flavio from paying off Paulo. Not only because I believe he is the man for the job but also because no manager worth his salt would take the job anyway, let alone with no transfer funds available.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 25, 2009 14:47:55 GMT
Pete was in the forefront of the campaign against Sousa. So I made my assumptions accordingly
"Dead Man Walking" ?
As I pointed elsewhere, the norm is to endorse and then axe. Here he's not even endorsing. Just saying: We'll see, etc.
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Post by andyg199 on Mar 25, 2009 14:56:57 GMT
I presume these 8-10 professionals probably include those youth players who were given 1 year professional contracts last summer?
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 25, 2009 21:38:51 GMT
Well Camp & Dex we know about and have the advantage of generating a fee but the disadvantage of having old regime salaries, Hall could potentially fall into that bracket with the amount of potential centrebacks. Miller has disappointed me and has now been dropped and as we took over his Sunderland contract you'd imagine he's on serious money so I'd expect him to be a casualty after that we have the issue of the big wages are tide up in long contracts. If the decisions were being made purely on footballing grounds you lose Borrowdale as the manager doesn't fancy him but given we just signed him on a 3.5 yr deal that would be expensive. Mahon could be seen to be superfluous but he has atleast another year on his deal. Talk is the SDC will not return and while I think he's got potential he isn't the answer yet and we may have paid a premium for his loan like Parejo so expect him also to be casualty. Some youngster such as Maguire will go but there salary must be peanuts and the missed opportunity is a big risk. Lopez must be a risk but I think that would be a huge mistake IMO. So at a guess:
Camp Dex Mahon or Lopez SDC Maguire Miller Oastler Borrowdale maybe if someone will buy him Hall is the perhaps the surprise
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 26, 2009 20:48:34 GMT
Well Camp & Dex we know about and have the advantage of generating a fee but the disadvantage of having old regime salaries, Hall could potentially fall into that bracket with the amount of potential centrebacks. Miller has disappointed me and has now been dropped and as we took over his Sunderland contract you'd imagine he's on serious money so I'd expect him to be a casualty after that we have the issue of the big wages are tide up in long contracts. If the decisions were being made purely on footballing grounds you lose Borrowdale as the manager doesn't fancy him but given we just signed him on a 3.5 yr deal that would be expensive. Mahon could be seen to be superfluous but he has atleast another year on his deal. Talk is the SDC will not return and while I think he's got potential he isn't the answer yet and we may have paid a premium for his loan like Parejo so expect him also to be casualty. Some youngster such as Maguire will go but there salary must be peanuts and the missed opportunity is a big risk. Lopez must be a risk but I think that would be a huge mistake IMO. So at a guess: Camp Dex Mahon or Lopez SDC Maguire Miller Oastler Borrowdale maybe if someone will buy him Hall is the perhaps the surprise The other candidates who maybe for the chop but not on this list are Agyemang, Rehman and Jake Cole. What we don't know is whether Sousa rates Agyemang or not as he has been injured for the majority of Sousa's reign. We know Paulo wants a front man (Heskey type) but does he want Agyemang? Will Paulo be in charge to make said decision. Will Paulo have any say on which 8 go? With Crowther and Bulmer at the club do we need Jake Cole? Do we finally say goodbye to Rehman? If the plan is to bring in a decent left back then both Delaney and Borrowdale won't be required but it will Delaney who I believe is the easier to shift and the one more likely to get a fee for. These 8 could be the ones??? On the books but not at QPR: Cole, Rehman, Maguire, Blackstock. Not having their contracts renewed: Miller, Di Carmine For Sale: Camp and Delaney or Borrowdale
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 26, 2009 21:25:56 GMT
Agree with Rehman (he has effectively gone already) & Cole seems to have been with us so long but never highly regarded (the Nikki Bull of his generation), I think Agyemang won't go because he's on good money and only a 1.5 years through a 4.5 year contract. We would need someone who would be willing to pick up that salary cost in this climate.
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Post by cpr on Mar 26, 2009 21:41:34 GMT
This started with
According to Pete/WATRB
So who cares?
Ched is on the bus, in bath, whatever. That's just one.
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 26, 2009 22:10:25 GMT
This started with According to Pete/WATRB So who cares? Ched is on the bus, in bath, whatever. That's just one. Oh come on CPR, irrelevant of whether Peter said it or not its quite possible and therefor worth some idle conjecture
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 26, 2009 22:10:32 GMT
Don't think that's fully fair. He has a (The) source. And also it makes a lot of sense.
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Post by cpr on Mar 26, 2009 22:34:31 GMT
Bollox.
But I will go with Eus' conjecture/fun analogy.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 26, 2009 22:37:18 GMT
Maybe things have stopped leaking a bit. But as a general rule, I think it's fair to accept that Pete is told things. Now WHAT Pete is told may not always be accurate. Or Maybe Pete converts a "QPR are trying for/QPR are hoping for" into a QPR will/QPR have.
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Post by cpr on Mar 26, 2009 22:40:40 GMT
Now you're defending him. Admit it, you just want him to post, don't you? Not only that, he's reading all this and wants to post! Oh dear!
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 26, 2009 22:46:17 GMT
Put it this way: Pete has recentlys posted on the dot.org.....and on Loft For Words...And on QPR Fans.... So why do you think he wouldn't post on QPR Report Messageboard. After all I was one of his best "customers" - and he obviously thought highly enough of me to announce me as one his WATRB moderators? I just can't imagine why he wouldn't want to post here!
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 27, 2009 7:36:20 GMT
Nice to see SirPie posting. But no stats Hello mate
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Post by andyg199 on Mar 27, 2009 10:45:49 GMT
Sousa wants Agyemang as he is a different kind of forward, to paraphrase him (or maybe directly quote).
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 27, 2009 11:03:10 GMT
This started with According to Pete/WATRB So who cares? Ched is on the bus, in bath, whatever. That's just one. Whether Pete or anyone else said I think most will agree that the squad is too big and there are too many players who aren't of a top 6 standard still on the payroll. I believe we could lose 7-8 players and use the money generated to bring in 2 decent strikers and a left back.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 27, 2009 11:12:54 GMT
Ignore my welcome then SirPieChucker ;D ;D I think you are right about strikers and fullback. We will also need goalkeeper to replace Camp. I would have liked to seen a swap for Smith at Forest when he first went on loan.
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 27, 2009 12:21:11 GMT
Ignore my welcome then SirPieChucker ;D ;D I think you are right about strikers and fullback. We will also need goalkeeper to replace Camp. I would have liked to seen a swap for Smith at Forest when he first went on loan. Sorry Zranger! ;D Hope you are well! I hope we have a few names lined up already but I think we should be looking at teams relegated/promoted. For instance if Peterbrough don't get promoted than Joe Lewis is a free agent as his contract expires this summer and would be a very good replacement for Camp and great competition for Cerny. Same for MacKail-Smith and Boyd they too are out of contract in the summer and if Boro fail to get promoted Championship teams will definitely want to snap them up. If Saints go down then Surman, Lallana and McGoldrick would all be good additions. Bailey, Hudson and Gray at Charlton might be handy. If Forest go down McGugan and Earnshaw. If West Brom get relegated from the Premiership then Morrison, Bednar and Koren. I'm not saying we could get all of the players I've mentioned but some players will become available/unavailable depending on their league status and we should be closing monitoring other teams situations.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 27, 2009 12:23:57 GMT
Unless it's an unproven youngster, I would like QPR to be paying no heed to signing Premiership Players. (And same applies to players coming directly from the Continent).
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 27, 2009 12:33:14 GMT
Unless it's an unproven youngster, I would like QPR to be paying no heed to signing Premiership Players. (And same applies to players coming directly from the Continent). Agreed i don't think we should just sign anyone because they are available. They have to fit into the managers plans. But if Forest survive we have less chance of getting Earnshaw than if they were relegated. Not that I am saying we should sign Earnshaw although he is the kind of striker I would like at the club alongside a big man.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 27, 2009 12:45:23 GMT
That's OK SirPie, I'm sure those are exactly the type of deals we will be going for. I just hope we get some real quality and don't end up having the same conversation for the third year running.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 27, 2009 12:48:54 GMT
Wouldn't it be great to be signing players from the Lower Leagues/Non Leagues that we'd never even heard of? That we were sigining because our scouts had seen some potential there for the taking...
For a club that built much of its success over the past 40 years on that premise, not to be doing so now, is disappointing - and not very productive
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 27, 2009 12:58:37 GMT
Wouldn't it be great to be signing players from the Lower Leagues/Non Leagues that we'd never even heard of? That we were sigining because our scouts had seen some potential there for the taking... For a club that built much of its success over the past 40 years on that premise, not to be doing so now, is disappointing - and not very productive Agreed but the last time we gave a manager some unknowns who may/may not have been gems we sacked him after 15 games for not producing the goods. I wouldn't want to be Sousa and be told that the only players we are going to sign are unheard of lower league players. If Sousa was given the time and resources then he could buy experienced players as well as some youth - like McCarthy did at Wolves. Problem is will this manager be given enough time and resources to experiment?
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 27, 2009 13:05:34 GMT
Yes it would but in order to do that we need to invest in a scouting network, youth infrastructure and have a coherent top to bottom long term plan with decent budgets and driven/overseen by a proper DOF/Sporting Director.
Oh and we must, at the least honour Sousa's contract and let him have the final say on all acquisitions.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 27, 2009 13:09:19 GMT
Forgetting personalities for a minute. If I was Briatore coming in on a four year plan, that is EXACTLY what I would have done (and to be honest, that is what I really thought we would be doing).
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 27, 2009 13:09:56 GMT
Yes it would but in order to do that we need to invest in a scouting network, youth infrastructure and have a coherent top to bottom long term plan with decent budgets and driven/overseen by a proper DOF/Sporting Director. And all of those things cost money which the club won't spend. I wonder how much it would cost to buy Micah Richards and Nedum Onouha as well as Ched Evans, Daniel Sturridge and Michael Johnson? Yes Man City would have had to spend a lot of money to have created their academy but if they were to have bought them it would have costed a lot more.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 27, 2009 13:21:42 GMT
I wonder how much it would cost to get a set up on par with say Palace?
Once established it should at least pay for itself but would the initial expense exceed the amount we have already spent on transfers/wages for dud players, managers and the revamp of the stadium?
Also with all of the boards sponsorship nous they should be trying to find partners specifically for our youth set up. We need an academy more now than ever IMO.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 27, 2009 13:21:53 GMT
But again to be (semi) fair:
The club have spent money. I would just argue that if they'd spent the same amount of money - differently - Scouting; lower division players, etc would have been far better off. Same money outlay...Bigger result; more assets. They're businessmen. Should appreciate that.
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Post by sirpiechucker on Mar 27, 2009 13:26:33 GMT
I can't disagree with either of you. The problem is that in F1 if driver x is rubbish you replace him with driver y. An academy and a decent reserve team costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time and I'm not convinced that they will do either. I agree that the same money spent properly could have reaped bigger rewards but it hasn't been spent that way and i don't see it being spent that way unless they allow someone with a football background (Sousa) to teach them.
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