finney
Dave Mangnall
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Post by finney on Apr 29, 2011 11:55:39 GMT
Look i know my head is all over the place at the moment and some may think i am being wrong in posting about QPR at all in the event of my Fathers death this week.
But in life when things go wrong i lost myself in Queen's Park Rangers and that is how i do things.
On this issue we all know we have acted outside of the rules so to speak.
The issue is how much the club knew about that and was the person acting outside the rules doing so for personal gain.
And my advice to the club do not let Paladini take the stand send in a sick note.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 29, 2011 12:06:09 GMT
I think many of us know exactly how you feel, Finney: Focusing on QPR to take mind off other things.
The club could have taken that route when it first came out: Throwing him to the Wolves (Sorry Holloway)...Suspending him or firing him, etc. (Regardless of whether that would have been fair; or even if had not done anything wrong)
That would have meant the club would have tacitly admitted we'd done something wrong. But it was all HIS Fault.
I presume that if we admit guilt even if by one person, it's the club (and them) that would suffer.
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manta
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Post by manta on Apr 29, 2011 12:07:55 GMT
This wouldnt have happened if Sheila Marson was still at the club. Her departure may well have been related to some of the transfer dealings going on. As I understand she was always involved in that.
As for this story in a deeply nasty newspaper I do not read, I have thought long and hard over this, and if we've broken rules we must be punished accordingly. If I didn't say that I'd be a hypocrite as I have never and never will condone rule breaking. I just hope whatever it is we've done, and I still feel in the dark over these supposed breaches, is not serious enough to warrant a points reduction.
If we are deducted points Paladini will have to go. End of.
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Post by klr on Apr 29, 2011 12:13:21 GMT
This wouldnt have happened if Sheila Marson was still at the club. Her departure may well have been related to some of the transfer dealings going on. As I understand she was always involved in that. As for this story in a deeply nasty newspaper I do not read, I have thought long and hard over this, and if we've broken rules we must be punished accordingly. If I didn't say that I'd be a hypocrite as I have never and never will condone rule breaking. I just hope whatever it is we've done, and I still feel in the dark over these supposed breaches, is not serious enough to warrant a points reduction. If we are deducted points Paladini will have to go. End of. I cant believe that we are still talking about Paladini & something like this HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. You literally couldnt make this up, its a worse case scenario than anyone feared or imagined, unbelievable. |
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Post by superckat on Apr 29, 2011 13:31:19 GMT
Ok I must admit. I'm concerned. Especially with the Sun reporting it. may well be a bullshit story, but how weak are the people making the decision? Will they take the easy option and be influenced by Murdoch and the rest of the media. If they were to find us guilty and may have been thinking along the lines of say a fine or 2 or 3 points deduction. Could the expectation that everyone thinks we should get a larger points deduction sway their decision.
Have to admit I'm hating all this sh*t right now. 15 years consisting of frustration, relegation and administration. Just when we think we have left all that behind us and there is a feel good factor around the club. The FL, FA and Media are f**king with us and I don't like it one bit.
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jayh
Dave Mangnall
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Post by jayh on Apr 29, 2011 14:31:30 GMT
The Sun=scum My fear is the iffy FA whose aim is to make money like any business look at a low gate capacity of 18,000 and realise that clubs like Cardiff and Norwich have much bigger capacitiys  The FA are rife with Politicians, that scary breed, West Ham escaped their punishment being worse because of a certain Mr Brooking  If this ends bad for us I sincerely hope we bankrupt the FA in court battles, sadly that wouldn't remove any of the pain and level of unjust we would all feel  If you look at what little we know about the case you would know it's very murky indeed, there are many flaws in this case and a lot of them sit with the FA and Football League. The can of worms will be on them! I fear a football armageddon coming! |
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 29, 2011 14:53:02 GMT
QPR up before the beak next week By Michael Morris Updated Friday, 29th April 2011 Cardiff City RSS Feed The Sun's back page headlines today yell 'GUILTY' with Shaun Custis suggesting a bleak outlook for the West London side. Full Sun story here: tinyurl.com/6ckcw4kQPR could face a points deduction if they are found guilty of breaking third-party ownership rules over the signing of Alejandro Faurlin. A four-man panel made up of an independent QC, two members from the FA's disciplinary panel and a football expert - a former player or manager - will meet on Tuesday to discuss QPR's fate. The hearing could last up to three days with a decision expected next Friday. QPR have responded by saying 'The Club are aware of the story printed by The Sun newspaper today (Friday 29th April 2011), but will not make any further statement as both the Club and The Football Association agreed to make no comment on this matter until after the hearing.' Several weeks ago it was thought that QPR would likely get a fine, or if they were far enough ahead maybe a nominal points deduction hat would not affect promotion but with the top of the table much tighter now and QPR still not having accquired enough points for promotion yet it's starting to get a bit nervy. As a Cardiff fan I want to see Cardiff win their promotion on merit. The club's focus must be to finish the last two games with more points than Norwich and secure a place in the Premier League by right. The QPR situation could get very messy and I'd love to think we were clear of that and safe in the knowledge we were a promoted team without it being decided in the courts, which is where this saga seems to be heading. |
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Post by frenchy2626 on Apr 29, 2011 15:01:53 GMT
GUys me too, i read the sun this morning and felt sick!! however its my understanding that FIFA knew about the deal and everything that happened so surely if the FA find us Guilty then that would mean that FIFA are guilty which as someone said earlier could lead to one of the biggest Football arguments ever!!!
I reckon if we win our next 2 games that the FA will deduct the poiints we have accumilated over our automatic promotion points! so if we have 6 spare there take them that way they can show they made an example of us!
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Post by cpr on Apr 29, 2011 15:11:04 GMT
They won't deduct points.
Any points deduction will mean any of at least seven teams appealing against the decision.
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camel
Ian Holloway
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Post by camel on Apr 29, 2011 16:06:20 GMT
Meh, if we broke the rules, we deserve to be docked points.
I shouted loudly for West Ham to docked points over the Tevez affair, so I would be a hypocrit if I complained about this.
If it means Paladini is fired, I'll accept any punishment.
We will be clearly the best team in the playoffs and should win them anyway.
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Post by cpr on Apr 29, 2011 16:25:01 GMT
Why do we deserve to be deducted points?
As you quote Tevez, that is a precedent for a fine only.
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camel
Ian Holloway
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Post by camel on Apr 29, 2011 16:30:51 GMT
Why do we deserve to be deducted points? As you quote Tevez, that is a precedent for a fine only. AFAIK the rule about third party ownership was clarified AFTER the Tevez affair to make it explicitly against the rules. West Ham were only penalised for lying at the hearing I believe. |
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Post by cpr on Apr 29, 2011 16:34:52 GMT
Why do we deserve to be deducted points? As you quote Tevez, that is a precedent for a fine only. AFAIK the rule about third party ownership was clarified AFTER the Tevez affair to make it explicitly against the rules. West Ham were only penalised for lying at the hearing I believe. The rules were there, they lied about the third party ownership but the punishment was a fine, precedent set. However, we play in the football league where third party ownership was not against the rules. |
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jayh
Dave Mangnall
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Post by jayh on Apr 29, 2011 16:40:54 GMT
Meh, if we broke the rules, we deserve to be docked points. I shouted loudly for West Ham to docked points over the Tevez affair, so I would be a hypocrit if I complained about this. If it means Paladini is fired, I'll accept any punishment. We will be clearly the best team in the playoffs and should win them anyway. Well many fans like myself didn't shout loudly for West Ham to be docked points! Secondly Tevez was ineligible to play which meant West Ham had an unfair advantage on the pitch. Faulin has always been eligible to play, This is not the same as Tevez! The potential punishment should have no bearing on what Rangers have done on the pitch as we've gained no advantage on the pitch. Disappointed a Rangers fan would just accept any punishment Think you're in a minority sir! |
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 29, 2011 17:26:28 GMT
Are you not supposed to be tight lipped  QPR stay silent on threat of points deduction QPR are remaining tight-lipped over reports claiming they are set to be denied promotion to the Barclays Premier League due to a points deduction imposed by the Football Association. Neil Warnock's side, top of the npower Championship, need just a point from tomorrow's visit to Watford to secure their return to the top flight after a 15-year absence. However, the FA will next week rule on seven breaches of their regulations over the signing of Argentinian midfielder Alejandro Faurlin. Rangers have denied the charges and a four-man panel will meet next Tuesday with the result of the hearing expected on Friday - the day before the end of the Championship season. A points deduction could see them drop out of the automatic promotion places and throw the play-offs into chaos if the club appeal against the decision. The FA said they will not comment until the charges are resolved and Rangers have issued a statement along the same lines. It read: "The club... will not make any further statement as both the club and the Football Association agreed to make no comment on this matter until after the hearing." Read more: www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR-are-remaining-tight-lipped-over-reports-they-are-set-to-be-denied-promotion-to-Premier-League-by-an-FA-points-deduction-article729662.html#ixzz1KvxtZvJZ Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here |
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Post by saphilip on Apr 29, 2011 17:42:26 GMT
Wait a minute have I missed something this week?
I mean I thought the hearring was only next week but if you to read some of the comments it is obvious that they held the hearing this week, that we stated our case and that we were found guilty. Clearly with all the holiday breaks, our month end at the work and all the other good stuff (such as Will & Kate) I totally missed it.
Hell they even announced it on local radio here that we are likely to be docked points (I mean QPR hardly makes the headlines down here so it must be true). So when exactly did this hearing happen?
What do you mean it's only going happen next week? How can that be - we have been told by newspapers & press that their sources in the FA have told them that we can expect a 15 point deduction? It's all over the world now - we are going to lose points and our automatic promotion bid is now doomed.
How is it possible that the sources and the media are able to tell us what our punishment is going to be when the hearing is yet to be held, we have yet to formally & legally answer the charges that have been raised against us and we have yet to present our case?
Surely we first present our case and answer the charges, we hear all the deliberations and only then will we hear the verdict and punishment (if necessary)? Has the law changed in the UK or did I miss our hearing with all the exitement of this week?
Excuse my sarcasm but either the FA has made up their mind and, in their sheer incompetence that typifies that organisation, has decided to give the media the heads up - or it is complete and utter bullshit that we are hearing from the press and that there is a (sinister?) reason why they are presenting this story as fact.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 29, 2012 6:54:10 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 28, 2013 8:31:44 GMT
Bump two years.... |
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Post by saphilip on Apr 28, 2013 11:25:09 GMT
Mac I remember watching Sport Half Hour on Sky News when the news broke. I was obviously overjoyed when I heard the news - not to mention feeling a huge sense of relief - but what struck me the most was the reaction of the guest studio. Forgot who he was, I'm sure he was an ex footballer and now pundit, but I remember him shaking his head and saying that it was the wrong decisions and that QPR got off lightly.
For me that has set the tone for our, soon to be ended, stay in the Premiership. We became the pinup picture for the dartboard - the team to catch all the flak for all that is wrong with football.
I know we have never really been the media darlings - except maybe when we came oh so close to winning the title and our exploits in thr 82 FA Cup - but I have to stay that even I was stunned by some of the venom that we picked up from the media and rival fans alike since the team's promotion. I think a lot of that resentment came as a result of the ruling - with many people convinced that we had cheated our way to the title and promotion (and facts be damned).
If I look at that whole case again it was a minor infringment (after all the agent was registered by FIFA) but like most offences it was the attempted cover up and the constant lies that almost sunk us - not so much the initial offense.
In light of what has subsequently happened I wonder if it would have been better if QPR had had points deducted and that we were never promoted. Who knows? That's hindsight, and for all we know we may have been battling to stay up in League 1 at this very moment, if the ruling had gone against us.
What I do know is this - if fans still think that we were better off with Briatore & Paladini in charge than with TF, then I suggest they revisit history and see all the lies, cover ups and "in it for ourselves" attitude that characterised the Poison Trio's reign at QPR.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 28, 2014 7:37:19 GMT
Bump...
Now what would have happened if we hadnt gone up is very interesting to consider
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