One Month Flashback: QPR and Paladini charged

[eskey8]

Cheers bush, you always know how to cheer me up!! now where the shotgun?!

Serously though, good bit of research - i just hope your wrong!

[Bushman]

Mar 9, 2011 20:07:32 GMT eskey8 said:

Cheers bush, you always know how to cheer me up!! now where the shotgun?!

Serously though, good bit of research - i just hope your wrong!

Squeaky bum time on this one mate.

[cpr]

See my reply.

Squeeky bum yes. 18 points deducted, no.

[Bushman]

Mar 9, 2011 20:12:06 GMT cpr said:

See my reply.

Squeeky bum yes. 18 points deducted, no.

With you on the first one. Fingers crossed on the other.

[Macmoish]

Norwich's The pink Un

QPR charges may blow Championship wide open
Michael Bailey
Wednesday, March 9, 2011

The race for the Championship title could be blown wide open after long-time leaders Queens Park Rangers were issued with seven charges by the Football Association yesterday.

Rangers, seven points clear at the Championship summit, could face a points deduction having been accused of signing £3.5m Argentine midfielder Alejandro Faurlin on a four-year from Institute in July 2009, but allowing an unnamed third party to keep a stake in his economic rights.

QPR and ex-chairman Gianni Paladini have also been charged with providing false information when Faurlin was originally registered, as well as paying an unauthorised agent as part of the player’s arrival.

Rangers have been widely considered shoe-ins for top spot this season, having lost just four times in the Championship this season.

But if they are found guilty, a points deduction that would bring the chasing pack – including Norwich City – back into serious title contention.

The case echoes the messy affair that surrounded Carlos Tevez’s move to West Ham United, which breached the Premier League’s rules over third party ownership.

The Hammers were eventually fined £5m in April 2007 but were not deducted any points, effectively relegating Sheffield United who, in a strange twist, were managed at the time by Neil Warnock – currently in charge at QPR.

Faurlin has made 31 appearances this season, including the 1-0 defeat to the Canaries at Carrow Road on New Year’s Day.

Having discovered the breach of third party rules in September, the Football League passed the case on to the FA as they still lack their own rules on the issue.

The FA duly allowed QPR to buy out the third party rights a month later enabling Faurlin to continue playing – but although they are happy with the player’s eligibility, the FA charges relate to concealing the full details of his contract and ownership when QPR came to register the player and ensure that eligibility.

A statement issued on Rangers’ official website last night said: ““Having co-operated fully with the FA’s investigation, QPR and Mr Paladini shall be denying all of the charges and requesting a formal FA hearing to determine them.

“QPR and Mr Paladini are confident that there has been no deliberate wrongdoing involved.”

• Current npower Championship table, top:

P W D L F A Pts

1 QPR 36 19 13 4 57 22 70

2 Swansea 36 19 6 11 49 32 63

3 Norwich 36 17 12 7 58 45 63

4 Cardiff 36 18 7 11 55 41 61

5 Leeds 36 16 12 8 69 58 60

6 N Forest 36 15 14 7 46 32 59

7 Burnley 34 15 11 8 51 39 56

www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/qpr_charges_may_blow_championship_wide_open_1_825213

[eskey8]

Points Deduction; Its the only way the rest of the league can catch us.

[cpr]

that's why it won't or can't happen eskey.

Norwish just the first of a long line that will be clutching at straws.

[Markqpr]

Mar 9, 2011 19:33:18 GMT cpr said:

Mar 9, 2011 19:31:13 GMT londonranger said:

Stick together on what Mr. CPR?

The common good and the common goal, as I said.

Champions and Premier league football.

I think the common good of the club is worth more than that.

I think it's in the best interests of the club to review the position of the person responsible for this mistake, the FA are charging Pallidini so they obviously feel he's responsible.

If it is Pallidini at fault, it's a major mistake for someone with a background as an agent to make and certainly reason enough to make his position untenable in the light of this potentially very costly mistake.

I agree in so much as let's concentrate on the football and wait for the outcome of the FA hearing, just need to prepare our response so we can finally move on, onwards and upwards.

[cpr]

Mar 9, 2011 20:23:45 GMT Markqpr said:

Mar 9, 2011 19:33:18 GMT cpr said:

The common good and the common goal, as I said.

Champions and Premier league football.

I think the common good of the club is worth more than that.

I think it's in the best interests of the club to review the position of the person responsible for this mistake, the FA are charging Pallidini so they obviously feel he's responsible.

If it is Pallidini at fault, it's a major mistake for someone with a background as an agent to make and certainly reason enough to make his position untenable in the light of this potentially very costly mistake.

I agree in so much as let's concentrate on the football and wait for the outcome of the FA hearing, just need to prepare our response so we can finally move on, onwards and upwards.

As I've already said, he may well still be at the club to specifically answer these charges. Hence he has no apparent official capacity since being removed as sporting director, he was also recently removed from the board of the holding company.

All you mention would seem to be covered by the club, no?

i reiterate, stop any witch hunt and concentrate on the common goal.

Back the team on Saturday and not concentrate on Paladini. Will he even be there? Let's hope Faurlin is, in a kit and being man of the match, yet again!

[Macmoish]

What you say makes sense, but he does still have an official capacity: He's the Chairman of QPR Football Club (as opposed to QPR Holdings). He's also a paid employee of QPR (and a recipient of a QPR financial loan)

[Bushman]

Mar 9, 2011 20:32:30 GMT Macmoish said:

What you say makes sense, but he does still have an official capacity: He's the Chairman of QPR Football Club (as opposed to QPR Holdings). He's also a paid employee of QPR (and a recipient of a QPR financial loan)

Which is why he is being charged.
If he is found to be guilty and fined, will he ask the club for a interest free loan.

[gavqpr77]

How is he going to talk his way out of the new Faurlin issue???
Unregistered agents.... Illegal aproaches. You really don't suprise me!!!

[zicoshoops]

If at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again.
Seems it's a saying that the FA has heeded, and this time it's a case of 'Gotcha.'

I'm not a happy bunny at the moment, so I'll keep it as clean as possible.
What possible valid role did the the fella have after the takeover?
We're not a Pound Shop.
We're not a Club who needs someone who 'knows the ropes.'
We're suspose to be a Professional Football Club.

Why on earth would anybody 'support the man.' rather than 'the club?'
That's one I won't understand until my dying day.
Why line up behind someone and point the finger at decent lifelong loyal supporters, and accuse them of having an Agenda?
Why?
Please tell me.

In the meantime there are a few out there that should take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror.

Because your mate has killed us.

[froggyranger]

Just logged in and seen this. Gutted. Sick. Gobsmacked that this can happen when promotion was in sight.
But why am I surprised? We all know that QPR is a roller coaster of events and emotions. But this has the potential to be the mother of all f... ups over the last few years.

[eskey8]

How?? He's not, when do you ever see the FA back down,? very very rarely. They have enough evidence to charge him, I would guess thats enough to convict him.

[0hwestlondon]

the waters are murky, but if the fa are saying they are happy with his eligibilty which suggests he was or is not ineligible, more to do with concealing information, which in a court of law is perverting the course of justice, what paladini and the admin at the club have done is withhold paperwork, thus not allowing the fa to make a proper decision at the time, from what i see the fa are still happy that ally is eligible, the club are being charged like i say earlier to the same as perverting the course of justice, still a serious offfence, so lets all write to the fa and implore them not to punish those that are innocent i.e us fans the players and of course the gaffer. if guilty we have to be punished but please not points deduction.

[cpr]

Blocky, can you merge please.

[manta]

The worst thing is that this is going to loom for a while. I just wish we'd get a decision now whatever it is and move on. All fans will be doing is speculating to what the punishment will be. Until we get a conclusion I'll continue to worry and feel sick, so I dare say will other fans, the manager, staff and players. I just hope and pray this doesnt reflect how we play on the pitch.

Its just unreal.

[Bushman]

QPR face points deduction after FA acts over Alejandro Faurlin transfer• Championship leaders face seven FA charges
• Argentinian's registration 'owned by third party'


Share David Conn guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 March 2011 21.41 GMT Article history
The FA alleges that QPR fielded the Argentinian midfielder, Alejandro Faurlin, for a full season in 2009-10 while the club did not own his registration.Images

The course of this season's Championship title race could be dramatically altered if the runaway leaders Queens Park Rangers are docked points after being charged with seven serious breaches of Football Association rules.

The FA has alleged that QPR fielded a player, the Argentinian midfielder Alejandro Faurlin, for a full season in 2009-10 while his registration was not owned by the club but by a third party. That, the FA alleges, breached the rule introduced in July 2009 following the Carlos Tevez affair, which prohibited English clubs from fielding players owned wholly or in part by third‑party interests.

West Ham United were fined £5.5m by an independent Premier League commission in 2007 for breaching regulations when signing Tevez, a decision widely criticised as not severe enough because West Ham were not docked points. By a twist of fate the manager of Sheffield United, who went down in 2006-07 and then sued West Ham because the latter had stayed up with Tevez's help, was Neil Warnock, now manager of QPR. At the time Warnock argued publicly that West Ham should have been docked points.

West Ham were not charged then with breaching the prohibition on third‑party ownership because that rule was not yet in place. Their disciplinary case was brought by the Premier League for their failure to supply all relevant documentation in a transfer and acting in bad faith, two charges applied to QPR on Wednesday.

QPR, seven points clear of Swansea City at the top of the Championship, are charged with breaching four rules for fielding Faurlin while he was owned by a third party. The FA is understood to allege Faurlin's owner was a company, but the governing body did not disclose the company's identitywhen announcing the charges.

QPR were also charged with "using or seeking to pay an unauthorised agent" when the player was signed in July 2009. The FA did not say who the unauthorised agent was but the governing body considers it a serious offence for a club to deal with anybody in a transfer who is not licensed as an agent under Fifa regulations.

The club and its chairman, Gianni Paladini, were also charged with submitting false information in documents lodged with the FA when Faurlin signed an extension to his playing contract in October 2010. All players' contracts with clubs have to be sent to the FA and it is understood that this seventh charge also relates to dealing with an unauthorised agent.

Just one of these charges on its own could produce heavy penalties, including swingeing fines and points deduction. In June 2008 Luton Town were docked 10 points by an FA disciplinary commission for breaches of rules which included dealing with unlicensed agents in four transfers, none as substantial or high profile as that of Faurlin. No club has yet been charged for breaching the prohibition on third‑party ownership introduced in 2009, so the FA commission hearing the QPR case will be under pressure to set a convincing precedent if it upholds the charges. The FA will be keen to have the case decided soon, so that any penalty will come into effect this season.

Faurlin has made a major impact at Loftus Road, having been the QPR players' and supporters' player of the year in his first season last year, and is a regular in Warnock's side this season.

The alleged ownership of his registration by an outside company is understood to have come to light last summer after the Football League introduced its own rules barring third‑party ownership. QPR approached the league, saying they wanted to buy out Faurlin's registration, and the league is understood to have then referred the club to the FA.

QPR issued a statement on Wednesday saying the club and Paladini will be "denying all of the charges and requesting a formal FA hearing to determine them. QPR and Mr Paladini are confident that there has been no deliberate wrongdoing involved".

Paladini said he could not elaborate and the club has appointed lawyers to defend the charges. "I am happy with the way we acted," he said. "I do not think we have anything to worry about."

[Lonegunmen]

Mar 9, 2011 20:59:22 GMT froggyranger said:

Just logged in and seen this. Gutted. Sick. Gobsmacked that this can happen when promotion was in sight.
But why am I surprised? We all know that QPR is a roller coaster of events and emotions. But this has the potential to be the mother of all f... ups over the last few years.

WTF!! same thing here Froggy. Well, that just F***ed up my day. Now a few pointers

Can the FA or FL act retrospectively in this case as the rules were changed after the event?? If so, which other clubs will suffer as well? West Ham? Liverpool? .

Will Captain Scarlett survive this? His friends are strangley quiet. I do suggest though we keep it real until we find out exactly what is happening. I'd also suggest not to believe anything coming from the club right now. You know they will spin it their way.

However, this has brought the club into disrepute yet once more. And for that alone Paladini should do the honourable thing and resign - without a golden handshake, and pay back the interest free loan. Just go away. I know some that would like to give him a Golden Shower though. If not he should be fired.

If the club are given a points deduction, a fine or even a telling off. Again Paladini should resign and again without the golden handshake - and he can pay back the interest free loan too! If not resigning, fire him!

If the club lose their promotion, Paladini should be fired! He was the administrator doing all the paper work, just like the F*** up with the Tommy Smith transfer. Again, no golden handshake, and the interest free loan to be paid back.

[Macmoish]

I've read another site. It's not as bad as we think. Phew

[neil]

FFS Why not wait until the outcome?

[Bushman]

Mar 9, 2011 22:32:17 GMT neil said:

FFS Why not wait until the outcome?

Paladini said he could not elaborate and the club has appointed lawyers to defend the charges. "I am happy with the way we acted," he said. "I do not think we have anything to worry about."

[klr]

Mar 9, 2011 22:32:17 GMT neil said:

FFS Why not wait until the outcome?

why should a dodgy c*nt like that be able to F*ck our club over time & time again especially when the players & management have done what they have done this season.

He's f*cked our club over good & proper this time, no its not alright, its a long F*cking way from being alright.

[neil]

Until guilty Paladini aint put a foot wrong.

[cpr]

Why have you started another thread?

FFS

That was for you.

Blocky, please do your stuff.

[Macmoish]

Mar 9, 2011 22:39:22 GMT neil said:

Until guilty Paladini aint put a foot wrong.

He's no more put a foot wrong than did Pellicori or Ukah or Tchakounte or...

Why not wait till the outcome" should mean we don't discuss any subject - including what the weather might be next week.

But this is anyway more than some of those rumours we've discussed. This is a charge - which obviously has yet to be proven.

But the question shouldn't be - and hasnt been for years - for most people: "Why should Paladini Leave?"
The question is, and has been, "Why should Paladini stay?"

* Now I've never felt strongly that he shouldnt be allowed to stay as a "Meet and Greet" guy - but not with any responsibiilities for signings in any area. Been there. Done that.

[neil]

If we are given a points penalty I would understand the reaction on the forums on the internet but until we know the punishment if guilty why not wait?

[Macmoish]

From the website Two Hundred Percent

"QPR & An Unamed Mystery Agent"
www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=11287

[bowles]

FROM GUNS TO BUNGS!!!!! THE MAN IS AS CROOKED AS F"CK!! YET AGAIN RANGERS PUT US THROUGH THE GRINDER! 1O BLOODY GAMES OUT AND THIS SHITE COMES OUT!!!!!! WHEN WILL THIS CLUB LEARN?