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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2010 7:26:51 GMT
" I'm getting a little frustrated at this assumption that we've got no money. Combined, we've probably got more than the guys at QPR" - Crystal Palace Owner, Steve Parish  Croydon Today
Ambitious Crystal Palace owner Steve Parish eyes the play-offs By daniel jones daniel.jones@essnmedia.co.uk AMBITIOUS co-chairman Steve Parish has refused to rule out a push for the play-offs this season. Palace are still entrenched in the Championship drop zone despite picking up a vital victory at Norwich on Tuesday night. And most fans have predicted a scrap to stave off the drop to League One rather than a fight for the Premier League. Even manager George Burley has admitted that, after a summer where he had to rebuild the playing squad, the campaign is likely to be a struggle. But Parish isn't a man to settle for mediocrity and says that he has seen enough in recent matches against sides at the top of the division to make him believe sneaking a place in the play-offs is not an impossible dream. "Listen, when George Burley came in and was interviewed for the job, not once did he sell himself to us by saying 'I can guarantee you promotion this season or next'," said Parish. "He always maintained it would take time. Realistically this is a season of consolidation. "But, having said that would I be blown away if we did manage to make the play-offs? Absolutely not. "We've played Cardiff, Queens Park Rangers and then Norwich in the last few weeks and, tell me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think there was much to choose between the sides. "This is a very close division. I saw George after the Norwich game and I said to him we're only nine points off the play-offs now. "I was very pleased for George and for Dougie [Freedman] after that win. They have been working very hard. They're trying to implement a new style of play to the team and that will take time." Parish also said that, should the Eagles be in contention near the top six come January, he and his partners would not be afraid to back Burley in the transfer window. "I'm getting a little frustrated at this assumption that we've got no money. Combined, we've probably got more than the guys at QPR," he said."Yes we want to run it as a sustainable business, but if we had a chance of pushing for the play-offs and thought it was the correct decision to spend a little extra, then we could. We are not a poor football club." www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/sport/Ambitious-owner-eyes-play-offs/article-2785671-detail/article.html |
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 22, 2010 7:33:39 GMT
Steve Parish on holiday.
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 7:53:31 GMT
Hmmm, I have noooooo idea?  |
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Post by ingham on Oct 22, 2010 9:11:39 GMT
Makes sense. That's why Palace have Burley. They've got, maybe, £500 billion, or is it £5,000 billion, so they've chosen someone almost any other Club could have.
Bit like QPR.
Competition now is not based on winning games, but on selling the idea that lurking mysteriously somewhere in the background is pots of money. Like Bunter's elusive postal order, one day it will miraculously transpire. Meanwhile, just mention Ecclestone or Mittal, and you can treble the Club's losses.
Bet Man City are quaking. And maybe Palace are the richest now. Bit of a blow to Briatore, but does he even think about the Club?
The mere idea of money has become appealing. In football, only one Club can win, no matter how much money any of them has.
So that's not very good, is it? It isn't really an environment for big spending.
But everyone can talk loadsamoney, so that's OK. Arsenal name their HQ after another business - I can imagine Mitsubishi doing that - and it holds 15,000 LESS than their main rival's OLD ground.
But it represent the idea of wealth. A good thing when they're still £200 million in debt and currently not winning much. Who needs to win when you have a smaller ground than your rivals, in someone else's name, you're in debt NOT signing big stars, and you'll be further in debt if you try to compete with the Manchester Cities.
I hear that Cray Wanderers have found the end of the rainbow in a car park in Bromley.
No, seriously.
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 22, 2010 9:26:37 GMT
What are they, second hand car salesmen........thats a lot of 2nd hand cars they sold then.........  |
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 9:55:19 GMT
What are they, second hand car salesmen........thats a lot of 2nd hand cars they sold then......... No, CPFC2010 are all local, ENGLISH businessmen and above all they are Palace fans who have invested their own money into their life-long passion and love for Crystal Palace. Whether something was mis-interpreted here I have no idea but I do agree it is somewhat of an odd thing to say, if he said it. The message itself was obviously sent out to potential players Burley might want to bring in and that CPFC 2010 are now a club worth joining and are no longer in crisis mode. We have no debt, own our own club, stadium AND training ground and we have cash to spend. Maybe not quite as much as money as your foreign investors, little dig  lol but nevertheless we are in a good financial shape. Conclusion: The owners are fed up with journalists labelling us as 'cash-strapped Crystal Palace" |
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Post by cpr on Oct 22, 2010 9:59:13 GMT
If the consortium really has the ground then Ron Noades is hiding somewhere.
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 22, 2010 10:11:54 GMT
What are they, second hand car salesmen........thats a lot of 2nd hand cars they sold then......... No, CPFC2010 are all local, ENGLISH businessmen and above all they are Palace fans who have invested their own money into their life-long passion and love for Crystal Palace. Whether something was mis-interpreted here I have no idea but I do agree it is somewhat of an odd thing to say, if he said it. The message itself was obviously sent out to potential players Burley might want to bring in and that CPFC 2010 are now a club worth joining and are no longer in crisis mode. We have no debt, own our own club, stadium AND training ground and we have cash to spend. Maybe not quite as much as money as your foreign investors, little dig lol but nevertheless we are in a good financial shape. Conclusion: The owners are fed up with journalists labelling us as 'cash-strapped Crystal Palace"As you say very strange, but when a club mostly signs loan players, or low fee's its an obviouse conclusion that the owners are not that loaded, and are sincere fans who wanted to save their club. Rather silly statement to say they have more money than qpr owners, the poison dwarf alone would prob blow them away. Local English businessmen (car dealers)....... ;D |
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 10:22:58 GMT
Local English businessmen (car dealers)....... ;D lol. Clearly with the exit of administration it was a little late and difficult to sign up players so hence the loan moves. Whilst the context of the statement is indeed strange I'd like to add two points. Firstly, I really do believe and to re-affirm it is a message to people that we are no longer in admin, debt etc etc. Secondly, probably more importantly, I would wager that within the next 24-48 hours Stevie boy will be posting on our message boards, as he does on a weekly basis, to explain to us exactly what was said and what he mean't by it. Blooming marvelous though isn't it for a club to have regular discussions on their message boards with the owners   |
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2010 10:26:27 GMT
I read that you're selling Speroni!
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 22, 2010 10:28:57 GMT
Blooming marvelous though isn't it for a club to have regular discussions on their message boards with the owners
I like that idea, am a tingy bit jealous.
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Post by cpr on Oct 22, 2010 10:41:53 GMT
Don't be daft SP, it's far nicer to be called a twenty quid punter and be talked down to. ;D
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2010 10:42:36 GMT
BP of course used to post occasionally as Chairman.... And Gianni used to post and continues to post (so to speak! ) |
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Post by eskey8 on Oct 22, 2010 10:42:38 GMT
I'd much prefer to be known as cash strapped than mega rich - clubs would stop inflating prices for players if that were the case
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 22, 2010 10:43:08 GMT
Don't be daft SP, it's far nicer to be called a twenty quid punter and be talked down to. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 10:43:27 GMT
I read that you're selling Speroni! Yeah he can go bloody journeyman!! lol, just kidding, It'll be very sad to loose him if he does go. We've offered him an improved deal to keep him but it's more about the Premiership and his country, again imo, than the money. Blooming marvelous though isn't it for a club to have regular discussions on their message boards with the owners I like that idea, am a tingy bit jealous. Am still finding it difficult to get my head around! He just randomly logs in and starts posting threads, long may continue. |
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 22, 2010 10:46:40 GMT
Well at least the palace owners love their club, now bernie has the money, but not the love.  |
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 11:04:38 GMT
Well at least the palace owners love their club, now bernie has the money, but not the love. Well, I'd never come on here (or elsewhere) and say anything bad about QPR. The ownership, who ever that actually is, is a different scenario. Maybe Steve Parish actually meant that they had, combined, spent more on the club than what QPR have done? |
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 22, 2010 11:13:14 GMT
Mind you, me talking of 2nd hand car dealers, the last time we had one........was the best period in our history.
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Post by ingham on Oct 22, 2010 11:38:21 GMT
Very interesting. Palace owns Selhurst? What a satisfactory outcome.
So the Club can prevent the new 'investors' from selling the Ground off? I'd like to think so, especially after Ron 'I am not an asset-stripper' Noades.
How?
Because the new boys are actually supporters who belong to the Club, rather than owners who behave as if the Club belongs to them?
So they're not 'owners' in any real sense. Because, if they were, what would they own? Not the Ground, obviously. That's the Club's.
But doesn't that imply that the Club is independent of them? If that is the case - I haven't read all the stories about the takeover - what is their role? And what do we call them?
Not 'owners', clearly.
When I heard about the Ground, I assumed they were so concerned to get hold of it, because they could use it to fund their own regime. That, as far as I can make out, is what most supposed investors do.
They're moneylenders, nothing more. With the advantage that the authorities allow them to spend the money. And even to run up losses doing so. Losses at the Club's expense, not their own.
If it is the case that the Club really does own the Ground, and the investors use it to make loans, they wouldn't be putting money in at all, they'd be pumping it out. And when the value of the Ground is exhausted, judging by what others do, they'd start running up losses based on imagined future Premiership revenues.
So it is important whether Club is independent of people like this. Owns its ground independently. Spends its own money. Once it has earned it.
If that is so, and there's nothing the new boys can do about it, and if they can't run up losses on Palace's books, then, well done Palace. Because losing money is what they resort to as a rule when the going gets tough, as it usually is for Palace, QPR, Arsenal, and even Man Utd. Few Clubs are successful at all, and fewer still for anything more than a nominal period.
So it's something of a relief to know that at least one Club doesn't have 'supporters' using the Club as a free cashpoint for their own regime. And if they do advance money, it will be their own money they're losing.
Another point. If they sell their shares - I'm speculating that there may be some shares involved, although I can't see how that fits in - while they've been running the Club as 'supporters' - if that's what they're going to do - does their role as 'supporters' mean that any profit from the sale of the shares GOES to the supporters?
Or to the Club, for that matter?
Excellent thread.
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 12:28:23 GMT
Wow that’s gone over my head although I am suffering from “man flu” and looking at my monitor is giving me a headache. So not sure how to read your post and also not sure how much you already know about the current regime at Palace?
In short, the ground/stadium Selhurst, is indeed now owned by CPFC2010 whereas previously Ron Noades/Rock holdings/HBOS. I would then say that CPFC2010 are indeed the current owners.
The new owners have made it quite clear that they themselves are not looking to nor have the need to make it a business for THEMSELVES. They are already self made millionaires.
However, they will run the club as a business and only in the interest of Palace. i.e. the days of the flambouyant orangeman are well over! No taking money out of the club for themselves, plowing it back in will be the order of the day.
They've basically stated what their plans are and we of course shall judge them over the coming years accordingly.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2010 12:45:19 GMT
Just to say, magyarangol29, it's a genuine pleasure having you on this board. And I'd wish for other fans to come on, who were equally as interesting. Now for the typical "I hate your club" type posts, but for serious - or at least interesting - discussion. Cos besides our obvious competition, there's a lot that all football fans have in common - re finances and owners and managers and players and hooliganism, etc.
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 12:54:39 GMT
Cheers Mac and it's a pleasure coming here I think from the obvious competition point of view one needs to make the most of it this season because if you guys do indeed go up then it could be a while until we dance again lol |
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 22, 2010 13:16:05 GMT
Yes he seems a good sort of fan, ironic he's got El Tel next to his name.
The last palace manager we nicked who led us to the top flight! Coincidence?
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Post by eastpaddoknutta on Oct 22, 2010 13:24:14 GMT
2-1 QPR lol
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 22, 2010 13:40:46 GMT
Yes he seems a good sort of fan, ironic he's got El Tel next to his name. The last palace manager we nicked who led us to the top flight! Coincidence? pmsl Terry Venables is fat he's round ....he stole a million pounds, Venables so how do I get rid of it lol |
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Post by ingham on Oct 23, 2010 12:39:20 GMT
Yes, great discussion mate.
Keep a close eye on the accounts, if they publish any ;D. And if they start talking about a new ground - like Gold and Sullivan at West Ham - ask yourself whether that is what they're interested in.
And where the proceeds from the old one will be going.
One of the things which afflicts our way of thinking about the game is our one-club tunnel mentality. If we buy a striker, we forget that every Club is buying a striker, so if he isn't Ian Wright or Les Ferdinand, it won't make much difference.
Same with 'investors'. Every Club has them, and just about every Club is losing money. Take a look at those accounts and ask yourself how rich Palace are. Not just how much they're spending. If the owners are rich, and the Club is spending, the owners are getting richer at the Club's expense.
That's how banks operate. We don't like banks. But we love investors. Until they leave.
Our rivalry is shared, however much fun we have bantering with other supporters, so it's good to get a broader perspective. And Palace is now my local club!
But remember one thing above all. In my first season supporting QPR, Palace had the current England centre forward playing for them.
IN THE FOURTH DIVISION!
Of course, things were different then. England centre forwards could actually play. Now they SHOULD be in the fourth division!
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Post by magyarangol29 on Oct 23, 2010 17:00:46 GMT
With the relationship we have there is no concern what so ever ingham. As I said 24 hours ago we have since heard from our owners about the remarks. Just to be clear I said that we had as much money as most, more than many but NOT as much as QPR!
Bit of a misquote there.
The point to make was we are not in dire straights, every story on the press talks about 'cash strapped Palace' blah blah, its not true.
There seems to be a new reality outside the premier league about what is sustainable , we want to be prudent, increase income. We could pump in say 4million in transfer fees and wages as a one off, when the players contracts ended, that would be it, either spend another 4 or 5 or whatever or live to your means or we can choose to invest to increase the turnover by 500K a year. The 500K a year is forever so you can fund the 4million over the period time and time again, the 4million investment to buy and pay players for a few years would be a one off investment and therefore just a gamble.
What we need to do is increase our supporter base and all the existing ones to stay with us.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 23, 2010 17:05:31 GMT
Thanks...
Can only suggest you emulate Ronald Reagan's Mantra: Trust But Verify. Or in Russian: Äîâåðÿé, íî ïðîâåðÿé
Even from "Fans" who are Directors
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 23, 2010 17:08:23 GMT
Think you better start spending a bit pretty quick Mag or you may end up like lasy year
scrap with 2 games to go ! Need Amb/Danns back sharpish !
If your down bot at christmas , Speroni may go to the Premoni!
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lol but nevertheless we are in a good financial shape. 
