bardsley
Dave Mangnall
Mick Beale Fan Club
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Post by bardsley on Nov 7, 2020 21:39:41 GMT
It was huge disappointment to see the result, after first half battle. IMO, we lost this game to poor managing. There was no point what so ever in those changes. We did not need any changes after very good fight nad high spirit. Despite this, for some starnge reason two players were taken off? And they were Ball and Adomah - excuse me!
Our best players today: Dieng, Ball, Adomah, Cameron, Dickie. This was a huge disappointment, despite very strong home team. Regards to Rangers.
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Post by qpr1882 on Nov 8, 2020 1:17:31 GMT
It was huge disappointment to see the result, after first half battle. IMO, we lost this game to poor managing. There was no point what so ever in those changes. We did not need any changes after very good fight nad high spirit. Despite this, for some starnge reason two players were taken off? And they were Ball and Adomah - excuse me!
Our best players today: Dieng, Ball, Adomah, Cameron, Dickie. This was a huge disappointment, despite very strong home team. Regards to Rangers.
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Post by qpr1882 on Nov 8, 2020 1:23:26 GMT
I think the captain needs a rest. 8 out of 10 passes go astray. Looks like a centre half playing in centre midfield. Too slow over the first 5 yards too nick the ball. So important in the position he plays. Does some bits ok when given time. I really do feel ball should get his chance playing in there without Cameron as I think they struggle together. Sure Cameron is good in the changing room and with the young lads, with his experience. Like to see a change although unlikely as he is our captain.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 8, 2020 1:41:58 GMT
Ref better add a lot of time on. The time wasting has been an absolute joke. Was 6 minutes enough? Glad to see that that's two orange donuts out of the big jobs.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 8, 2020 11:00:45 GMT
Ref better add a lot of time on. The time wasting has been an absolute joke. Was 6 minutes enough? Glad to see that that's two orange donuts out of the big jobs. Probably? More just me being sour. Think the thing that annoys me more than the time is the facts refs have the rules and tools to deal with time wasting but they seem so reluctant to use them. Injuries, fine, appreciate that if someone goes down the ref isn't best judged to say whether they're faking it or not - I know I've seen players go down when holding a lead, I've shouted about them faking it only for them to be stretchered off..! But the really, really obvious ones. Players turning minor injuries into an extended drinks session and tactical sesh with their manager. Pissing around with throw ins. Preventing people from taking free kicks. Keepers suddenly at 80 minutes, deciding they can't fetch a ball, wandering around, cleaning their studs, having a drink. If something that normally takes a few seconds at 0-0 almost takes a minute at 2-1, it is blatant. Just dish a card out. Ref warned Blackburn players a good five times and gave no sanction for it and it happens most weeks.
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Post by Marc on Nov 8, 2020 11:37:36 GMT
Was 6 minutes enough? Glad to see that that's two orange donuts out of the big jobs. Probably? More just me being sour. Think the thing that annoys me more than the time is the facts refs have the rules and tools to deal with time wasting but they seem so reluctant to use them. Injuries, fine, appreciate that if someone goes down the ref isn't best judged to say whether they're faking it or not - I know I've seen players go down when holding a lead, I've shouted about them faking it only for them to be stretchered off..! But the really, really obvious ones. Players turning minor injuries into an extended drinks session and tactical sesh with their manager. Pissing around with throw ins. Preventing people from taking free kicks. Keepers suddenly at 80 minutes, deciding they can't fetch a ball, wandering around, cleaning their studs, having a drink. If something that normally takes a few seconds at 0-0 almost takes a minute at 2-1, it is blatant. Just dish a card out. Ref warned Blackburn players a good five times and gave no sanction for it and it happens most weeks. Sorry bfor the reference to Rugby League but I'd love to see the time-keeping taken away from the referee altogether. In RL, this is the case and the clock is stopped when necessary although the ref does indicate when the clock should be stopped and restarted. If there is an injury, the clock will be stopped immediately and only restarted when play resumes. In the case of a knock on, there is a timer that comes into play (30 seconds) and a team is penalised if they aren't in a position to resume play by that time (I've only seen it happen once so it's a pretty good incentive), that sort of thing could be used to stop keepers spending an age when taking a goal kick for example. Anyway, you hopefully get what I mean.
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Post by surreychad on Nov 8, 2020 14:30:26 GMT
Probably? More just me being sour. Think the thing that annoys me more than the time is the facts refs have the rules and tools to deal with time wasting but they seem so reluctant to use them. Injuries, fine, appreciate that if someone goes down the ref isn't best judged to say whether they're faking it or not - I know I've seen players go down when holding a lead, I've shouted about them faking it only for them to be stretchered off..! But the really, really obvious ones. Players turning minor injuries into an extended drinks session and tactical sesh with their manager. Pissing around with throw ins. Preventing people from taking free kicks. Keepers suddenly at 80 minutes, deciding they can't fetch a ball, wandering around, cleaning their studs, having a drink. If something that normally takes a few seconds at 0-0 almost takes a minute at 2-1, it is blatant. Just dish a card out. Ref warned Blackburn players a good five times and gave no sanction for it and it happens most weeks. Sorry bfor the reference to Rugby League but I'd love to see the time-keeping taken away from the referee altogether. In RL, this is the case and the clock is stopped when necessary although the ref does indicate when the clock should be stopped and restarted. If there is an injury, the clock will be stopped immediately and only restarted when play resumes. In the case of a knock on, there is a timer that comes into play (30 seconds) and a team is penalised if they aren't in a position to resume play by that time (I've only seen it happen once so it's a pretty good incentive), that sort of thing could be used to stop keepers spending an age when taking a goal kick for example. Anyway, you hopefully get what I mean. Wasn't there a discussion at the FA to consider this? a few years back? Rather than 90 mins make the games 80 mins but the clock stops every time the balls goes out of play. I am all for it as it would stop the stupid time wasting.
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Post by Marc on Nov 8, 2020 14:36:03 GMT
Sorry bfor the reference to Rugby League but I'd love to see the time-keeping taken away from the referee altogether. In RL, this is the case and the clock is stopped when necessary although the ref does indicate when the clock should be stopped and restarted. If there is an injury, the clock will be stopped immediately and only restarted when play resumes. In the case of a knock on, there is a timer that comes into play (30 seconds) and a team is penalised if they aren't in a position to resume play by that time (I've only seen it happen once so it's a pretty good incentive), that sort of thing could be used to stop keepers spending an age when taking a goal kick for example. Anyway, you hopefully get what I mean. Wasn't there a discussion at the FA to consider this? a few years back? Rather than 90 mins make the games 80 mins but the clock stops every time the balls goes out of play. I am all for it as it would stop the stupid time wasting. Now you mention it, it does ring a bell.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 9, 2020 9:29:28 GMT
Probably? More just me being sour. Think the thing that annoys me more than the time is the facts refs have the rules and tools to deal with time wasting but they seem so reluctant to use them. Injuries, fine, appreciate that if someone goes down the ref isn't best judged to say whether they're faking it or not - I know I've seen players go down when holding a lead, I've shouted about them faking it only for them to be stretchered off..! But the really, really obvious ones. Players turning minor injuries into an extended drinks session and tactical sesh with their manager. Pissing around with throw ins. Preventing people from taking free kicks. Keepers suddenly at 80 minutes, deciding they can't fetch a ball, wandering around, cleaning their studs, having a drink. If something that normally takes a few seconds at 0-0 almost takes a minute at 2-1, it is blatant. Just dish a card out. Ref warned Blackburn players a good five times and gave no sanction for it and it happens most weeks. Sorry bfor the reference to Rugby League but I'd love to see the time-keeping taken away from the referee altogether. In RL, this is the case and the clock is stopped when necessary although the ref does indicate when the clock should be stopped and restarted. If there is an injury, the clock will be stopped immediately and only restarted when play resumes. In the case of a knock on, there is a timer that comes into play (30 seconds) and a team is penalised if they aren't in a position to resume play by that time (I've only seen it happen once so it's a pretty good incentive), that sort of thing could be used to stop keepers spending an age when taking a goal kick for example. Anyway, you hopefully get what I mean. Ah yeah I remember it coming up as a good way of dealing with it and it does make sense. I think for me, anything like that only gets considered if refs and the FA considered it to be a significant problem worth dealing with, which is a hurdle. But if they did, I think the first step would be a new directive on it. For example, a few years back I seem to remember they did that over holding in the box - that's always been against the rules but there was a concerted effort about it because it had become normalised and that was communicated to clubs pre-season to warn them it was being focused on. Same with this - the rules and sanctions already exist for refs to deal with shithousing but they just aren't utilised much. Timewasting is just seen as culturally acceptable in football now. I'd at least like to see them consider it a big issue, warn clubs collectively and start dishing the cards before we have to consider a change to the clock.
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