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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 30, 2020 14:19:21 GMT
QPR defender Leistner set for Cologne move By David McIntyre 30/01/2020 QPR defender Toni Leistner is set to return to his native Germany and join Cologne on loan for the rest of the season. Leistner, 29, has been out of favour since soon after Mark Warburton took over as manager in the summer. Rangers made him available for a transfer in July but no move materialised and he subsequently won his place back in the team. But with Cologne interested, Conor Masterson having broken into the QPR side and Yoann Barbet close to a return from injury, Leistner is now poised to leave. He has made 65 Championship appearances since being signed on a free transfer after leaving Union Berlin during the summer of 2018. Leistner has 18 months remaining on his Rangers contract. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-defender-leistner-set-for-cologne-move
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 30, 2020 17:51:51 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 30, 2020 18:24:18 GMT
McIntyre does not seem to think anyone is coming in. So we are likely to lose 5 with just Jack Clarke arriving - hope he rediscovers some form. But we signed Leinster for free but in return made him one of our most expensive players. It was said that he was on £20k per week when he signed. Masterson's fine start has meant that it is the BFG going out on loan now and not him. From a pure financial point of view, if Leinster is now 4th choice behind Hall, Barbet and Masterson - then he is very expensive to sit on the bench. From a cover point of view, Masterson is inexperienced and his form could dip, Barbet has been injured for 4 months, Hall is injury prone - so not great. Hall is apparently our highest earner and is out of contract in the Summer. We presumably cannot pay him his current wage so I hope we have a cunning plan!
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 30, 2020 19:28:15 GMT
David McIntyre when asked if there would be any incomings.............. @davidmcintyre76 I'd like to think not. If they do ride it out and accept the inevitable short-term flak it'd be a sign of some sanity being brought to that place and leave them in a strong position in the summer as more Championship clubs melt.
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Post by egranger on Jan 31, 2020 0:34:28 GMT
We have held onto Bright, Eze and Chair - we could not have signed any better players than these three gems I hope to see them play every week now and if they get injured then there is Shodipo and Dalling to come in.
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Post by surreychad on Jan 31, 2020 17:55:18 GMT
Fine with me if he was 20 k a week. If players don't want to play for us then let them go. I expect some boards will be hammering the club for letting players go. But Wells was out of our hands , a couple of loans that did not work out and a couple who were unhappy and want regular games elsewhere. We have young players coming through - as many 'moaners' have been going on about for years - so now is the young players chance and the moaners should keep quiet. The minor clear-out we have just had will save a fair lump of cash just by saving Wells and Leistner salary, not paying Burnley a loan fee and hopefully getting some sort of loan fee in for Leistner. That will help and should leave us in a much better position in the summer My only fear is that Palace wanted Bowen but seems that West Ham have snatched him so Palace may well come in heavy for Eze as their second choice. Wrong time and wrong move for Eze imo but until 11-00pm tonight I will be restless. We are going out to dinner tonight with a group of friends, i am going to be a right moody git as I wont be able to see whats happening and will be panicking about another of our players going. Can someone please pop to the ground and training pitch, turn the lights, out close the doors and keep everyone away. It would be much appreciated.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 31, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
Fine with me if he was 20 k a week. If players don't want to play for us then let them go. I expect some boards will be hammering the club for letting players go. But Wells was out of our hands , a couple of loans that did not work out and a couple who were unhappy and want regular games elsewhere. We have young players coming through - as many 'moaners' have been going on about for years - so now is the young players chance and the moaners should keep quiet. The minor clear-out we have just had will save a fair lump of cash just by saving Wells and Leistner salary, not paying Burnley a loan fee and hopefully getting some sort of loan fee in for Leistner. That will help and should leave us in a much better position in the summer My only fear is that Palace wanted Bowen but seems that West Ham have snatched him so Palace may well come in heavy for Eze as their second choice. Wrong time and wrong move for Eze imo but until 11-00pm tonight I will be restless. We are going out to dinner tonight with a group of friends, i am going to be a right moody git as I wont be able to see whats happening and will be panicking about another of our players going. Can someone please pop to the ground and training pitch, turn the lights, out close the doors and keep everyone away. It would be much appreciated. I think it highly unlikely that there will be any other news tonight apart from Smith signing else where and Oteh being recalled. I think that a decision has been taken that we will get more for our limited cash in the Summer and that the next 4 months will be used to blood more youngsters. It may mean a flatter than usual crowd tomorrow, but I guess that the club just wants to get through year 3 within FFP and with a low base year for the next calculation. We have to avoid another bad run of results and the subsequent panic. But if we hold onto our young talent beyond tonight then that is an achievement. In reality, it is just the Wells recall that has upset the plan. The release of Scowen, Leinster, Smith, Mlakar and Wells with only Clarke coming in probably saves over the 5 month period circa £1m wages. So enjoy your meal!
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 3, 2020 7:55:01 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 9:44:19 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 28, 2020 10:16:15 GMT
Not the way it's supposed to go
QPR Defender @tonileistner has had his contract terminated by mutual consent with immediate effect.
Best wishes for the future BFG!
#QPR
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 11:19:59 GMT
Warburton kind of says frees and loans so that’s a no for Dickie but guess might be a bluff. Also by saying that it is highlighting we havnt got massive bucks to spend on players so gives out the right signal rather than saying we have money to spare, which leaves us open to raise there asking price.
Would also mean we still might give Caroll a contract.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 28, 2020 11:42:52 GMT
Warburton kind of says frees and loans so that’s a no for Dickie but guess might be a bluff. Also by saying that it is highlighting we havnt got massive bucks to spend on players so gives out the right signal rather than saying we have money to spare, which leaves us open to raise there asking price. Would also mean we still might give Caroll a contract. Yeah, I think it is expectation management. We don't really get this on here, but on Twitter etc the expectation is, X million in for Eze means X million to spend on players, when it ain't like that. Could still end up spending something, but this way it looks like a bonus.
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 12:58:49 GMT
Warburton kind of says frees and loans so that’s a no for Dickie but guess might be a bluff. Also by saying that it is highlighting we havnt got massive bucks to spend on players so gives out the right signal rather than saying we have money to spare, which leaves us open to raise there asking price. Would also mean we still might give Caroll a contract. Yeah, I think it is expectation management. We don't really get this on here, but on Twitter etc the expectation is, X million in for Eze means X million to spend on players, when it ain't like that. Could still end up spending something, but this way it looks like a bonus. I agree, the expectation from some fans is crazy. I suppose if we had sold 2-3 values of Eze, a bit like Brentford have done over the last two seasons we might be more inclined to say throw 5 million at someone but at the moment, we just need to stabilise things. Hopefully we can pick up 2-3 players at the right price now and try to keep BOS or Manning. At the minute we have lost Hall and Eze + Hugill (loan) who else am I missing, sure there’s one more? Leistner wasn’t playing anyway.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 28, 2020 13:47:13 GMT
At the minute we have lost Hall and Eze + Hugill (loan) who else am I missing, sure there’s one more? Rangel through injury
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 13:59:43 GMT
At the minute we have lost Hall and Eze + Hugill (loan) who else am I missing, sure there’s one more? Rangel through injury Thanks Ashdown, couldn’t think who it was, so two defenders and two attackers down. Signed George Thomas - Midfield Lyndon Dykes - Forward and Luke Amos permanent.
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 14:13:09 GMT
At the minute we have lost Hall and Eze + Hugill (loan) who else am I missing, sure there’s one more? Rangel through injury We also lost Mark Pugh
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Post by nomar on Aug 28, 2020 15:17:37 GMT
I hope and expect to see the arrival of Dickie being announced in the next few days - we have some money from Eze and we have amicably moved on the player who had no part in future plans. Edit - just saw Warburton comments that non of the cash will be spent on transfers - but he still expects to add to the squad in the next few weeks. No Dickie then. Where do you get that idea from? I‘m seeing this doing the rounds in Twitter, being stated dogmatically as fact and fans wringing their hands in anguish about it! That’s not what he said in his interview. He was tempering peoples expectations as some seemed to think he’ll have £15m to spend now on players. The point he was making was that we’re still shopping in Poundland, not going to go out and splurge on M&S stuff now, as that is not following the plan. If people stopped and listened to what Dave McIntyre and Sean Gallagher have repeatedly said, their number one target is Robert Dickie. He’s not on a Bosman, so he’s obviously going to cost money. They would not have him top of their wish list if they weren’t going to spend any money, that wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever. He’s not a free agent and they aren’t talking about loan deals, so it’s got to be a straight out purchase. The fact that two of the most reliable sources of all things QPR have repeatedly said the club are after Dickie should really give people a big hint that they obviously are going to spend some more money this window. People need to chill and actually engage their brains more than just overreacting and misreading things. Sorry, but it just annoys me. Rant over.
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Post by nomar on Aug 28, 2020 15:31:50 GMT
Not sure how much clearer it can be than this.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 28, 2020 16:42:39 GMT
I think everyone on here is pretty realistic about the likelihood of incoming players and what kind of budget MW may have available.
It's been variously rumoured that Dickie may be available at between £500k and £1m, depending on which clickbait rumour-monger you believe.
Would that constitute a 'low-cost' deal? Possibly if comparing to the £5m Hugill is reported to have gone for - and if his wages are within the club's pay structure.
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 17:45:50 GMT
Prices seem to vary so much Ashdown, I read a report the other day that said Hugill went for around 3 Million. I think fans on here are pretty realistic and realise that we won’t be spending heaps of cash on players.
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2020 17:58:01 GMT
Paid Leistner off and he has gone to Hamburg , that was quick, wish him well there.
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Post by nomar on Aug 28, 2020 23:26:53 GMT
Where do you get that idea from? I‘m seeing this doing the rounds in Twitter, being stated dogmatically as fact and fans wringing their hands in anguish about it! That’s not what he said in his interview. He was tempering peoples expectations as some seemed to think he’ll have £15m to spend now on players. The point he was making was that we’re still shopping in Poundland, not going to go out and splurge on M&S stuff now, as that is not following the plan. If people stopped and listened to what Dave McIntyre and Sean Gallagher have repeatedly said, their number one target is Robert Dickie. He’s not on a Bosman, so he’s obviously going to cost money. They would not have him top of their wish list if they weren’t going to spend any money, that wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever. He’s not a free agent and they aren’t talking about loan deals, so it’s got to be a straight out purchase. The fact that two of the most reliable sources of all things QPR have repeatedly said the club are after Dickie should really give people a big hint that they obviously are going to spend some more money this window. People need to chill and actually engage their brains more than just overreacting and misreading things. Sorry, but it just annoys me. Rant over. I got it straight from Warburton's mouth on the Offie and I'm not wringing my hands about it or overreacting. The only potential misread is that I read "low cost deals" as precisely that and the numbers floating around for Dickie imo do not fit into that definition. If the figures being quoted for Dickie are low cost then that's fine.The club have been doing an excellent job off the pitch and I will the last to ask them to change approach. Maybe I'll stop listening to Warburton and trust the "in the know" press instead Quote "I’ve read reports saying that we’ll spend eight, ten, twelve or fifteen million pounds – that’s never going to happen,” he told www.qpr.co.uk. “The owners are writing cheques every single month to keep the club afloat – the CEO (Lee Hoos) and Les [Ferdinand], our director of football, have been very clear on where we stand. “ The money will go towards reducing the financial burden. While fans will obviously look to sign ‘X, Y and Z’, that can’t be the case in the current financial landscape. We will be looking at free transfers, low-cost deals and the loan market – along with many other clubs.“What we have to do is recognise how that money can be used to reduce the burden on the owners and hopefully allow for the long-term good health of QPR.” End Quote The Overreacting and hand wringing was being done by people on Twitter, not you. I just wanted to make that point since you followed the now populist train of thought that we won’t spend another penny this window based on that Warburton interview. And DM and SM are streets above the garbage ITKs on Twitter. It’s frankly an insult to even label them in the same bracket.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 29, 2020 9:48:59 GMT
...so I will just switch this off for a while and come back when the garbage about transfers stops. But the garbage about transfers is the most entertaining bit 75! Wouldn't read too much into nomar's comments, I'm sure they were aimed generally at the Twitterati 'herd mentality' rather than meant personally
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Post by bowranger on Aug 29, 2020 13:31:59 GMT
I agree with the bulk of that and your win-win situation is the same as mine. But still don't think what Manning and BOS is doing is indicative of not trusting the club or of not having the right attitude to play in the first team at all.
For one, there isn't a refusal to negotiate, talks are still happening and that was announced again this week, they just havn't agreed to an extended deal. I think it's a false equivalency to have signing an optional, additional multi-year deal as not having commitment to play or give 100%. It's indicative of most power these days being with the players, same as at any other club. The transfer window is still open, there are still murmurs of interest, they will likely want to see how that plays out before deciding. It isn't what I want but I see the logic in it, it is temporarily the sensible thing for them to be doing in terms of giving them the most possible options open. Sign a deal now, their price goes up and what potential interest there is gets even smaller. Not the case in a few weeks time. They still have a year banked, they know the deal is there should they want it, so they're weighing it up. Selfish? Harsh but maybe. Looking out for number one? Almost definitely. But proof of not wanting to play or distrust? Really don't see it.
We can talk about the club being honest and point at Leistner but football is massively fickle. We got Leistner through the door by giving him a long term deal and the captaincy. He turned Norwich down for us because we said he would be a key player and we really wanted him. Soon as Warburton turned up, we didn't fancy him, sent him away to Germany and have now had to pay him to go away. A year or so back, Manning and BOS went from exciting prospects to surplus to requirements in McClaren's "team of men". It is a cut throat business and players leverage their power as best they can, knowing they can go from crucial to expendable at any moment - it ain't personal.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 29, 2020 14:33:53 GMT
That's kind of my point by way of comparison with the BOS and Manning situation, though. Not saying we treated Leistner badly or well, I'm saying that football is fickle, the club will look out for themselves, even if it doesn't mean players get treated the way they desire and this is an example of that. And likewise players with their employers.
I don't think particularly badly of the club for doing what was best for them at the time, at Leistner's expense - which is exactly why I don't feel BOS or Manning deserve getting their basic commitment questioned for basically acting in the same way. Situations change rapidly, so you give yourself the most options possible. 'Commitment' is a messy word to use in football.
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Post by nomar on Aug 29, 2020 17:46:31 GMT
75, I meant no offence, apologies for any upset caused.
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Post by harr on Aug 29, 2020 17:58:33 GMT
Not much more to be said on the BOS /Manning situation although interest that Manning has reportedly just changed agents and more likely to re-sign. I think the point re Leistner is not that we misled him or treated him badly but we (not unusually) changed managers in rapid time. It is normal that a new manager will have his own ideas and assessment of players - that's why clubs change managers. Clearly the change impacted Leistner in a negative way and we can say the club sent him away to Germany or we can say the club told him was not in the managers plans and allowed him to go back to Germany to play at a decent club rather than sitting on the bench or training without playing. There were also ITK reports that he was homesick but who knows. At the end of the season his loan club did not want to take up their option to sign him, which is no different to Warburton saying he was not in our plans. But he obviously and rightly must have worked behind the scenes to find a job at Hamburg knowing that he had no way back with us. Hamburg probably did not want to pay a transfer fee or loan fee so the only option was for him to become a free agent which meant ending his contract with us. Whether he requested to be paid off to enable his move or whether we offered to pay him off to make room in the squad is unknown. So at the end of the day we signed him, it did not work out here for him following a change in managers, we treated him decently with a loan rather than not playing and we reached a settlement to break his contract and allow him to go back to Hamburg. On the face of it that seems fairly decent and sensible from both parties and a common occurrence with the merry go round of managers and squad changes. Manning and BOS might both sign for us again yet, that would be a bit of a turn up. Seems like BOS has not had as many offers as thought he might get, so might have to stay in the Championship for a year or two longer to develop further ? Probably would help him.
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Post by harr on Aug 30, 2020 13:18:26 GMT
Manning and BOS might both sign for us again yet, that would be a bit of a turn up. Seems like BOS has not had as many offers as thought he might get, so might have to stay in the Championship for a year or two longer to develop further ? Probably would help him. If Manning signs where would you play him?. Still not convinced at full back - even from the snippets I managed to see yesterday he was caught out too often and seemed to be wandering around lost and ball watching instead of picking up their goal scorer. Only a warm up game but still. I guess BOS and Manning might not be fully focussed until they sort of get their contracts sorted. not saying they shouldn’t be focused but this can happen while they think they might be moving on.
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Post by nomar on Aug 30, 2020 14:27:21 GMT
75, I meant no offence, apologies for any upset caused. No problem - just my anti rant rant. Lets move on and upwards. Agreed.
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Post by harr on Sept 16, 2020 6:23:14 GMT
Yeah you just can’t do that. You have to restrain yourself, he let himself down. It’s no excuse but the fan was saying stuff like I hope your wife miscarries , pretty shocking, what type of person would say this shit. No excuse for what he did though.
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