|
Post by nomar on Apr 10, 2019 15:48:08 GMT
Well I just renewed our season tickets - so there's faith! Or perhaps madness? Madness!
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on Apr 10, 2019 17:25:55 GMT
Seriously though with 6 games to go I do not see the point of bringing a new manager. By the time we get someone if at all the new man will have a max of 4 games to take charge of. How can a new man assess his squad, assess the best formation/tactics and then get the team into the that on the training ground in 4 games including the Easter rush. All the new man could do is to be Mr Motivator and hope for a new manager bounce to get 3 or 4 points Better to have someone in charge who already knows the players etc. That's why I would have left McClaren there as he had not been replaced 10 games earlier. If the feeling Eustace is hopeless give Ramsey the job as a pure temp until the end of season but like other things we have left it too late and are out of time. It's down to the players now and to see if they have any sense of pride to get the points on the board. When would you have sacked Steve? 6 or 7 games into the bad run?
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 11, 2019 9:16:09 GMT
How could you be sure McClaren would have got more points though. We couldn’t beat ten men Stoke, we couldn’t beat a poor Rotherham at home and we couldn’t beat a dreadful Bolton team at home. That was on the back of 6 points from the previous 12 games.
No argument from me, he had to go. We were more than patient on this occasion. 3/4 of the other Championship Clubs would have already sacked him with that run imo.
|
|
|
Post by rickyqpr on Apr 12, 2019 10:05:52 GMT
This is turning into a very strange recruitment process. We have been linked with all the obvious out of work managers. We have been linked with a number of ex-managers who have not worked for years. We have been linked with the odd overseas manager. We are told that the choice has been handed to Hoos & Ferdinand. We are told that some have even been interviewed. Yet throughout the time we are told by the media that the job is Sherwood's to turn down and that he is the Director of Football's first choice. It raises a few questions: 1) Is this all just a smokescreen before Sherwood is announced - 'we went through an extensive interview process and we believe that Timmy is the right man for the job'. 2) If it is really his to turn down, what is he waiting for? Is he asking for more than we can give? Is he waiting to see if we are safe before accepting? 3) Are they hoping that Eustace can get us through to the Summer whereby the choice may be greater e.g. Bowyer / Ainsworth Answers on a postcard!
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 12, 2019 10:08:06 GMT
No arguments from me, don’t seem to be rushing into anything. Looks like Eustace will be in charge Saturday.
The only candidate out the running for sure is Rowett.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 12, 2019 10:16:54 GMT
Carlos Carvalhal odds reducing by the minute, now evens or less on some sites. Not sure if anything in that. Sherwood gone right out.....
|
|
|
Post by rickyqpr on Apr 12, 2019 10:38:43 GMT
Carlos Carvalhal odds reducing by the minute, now evens or less on some sites. Not sure if anything in that. Sherwood gone right out..... Must be the fascination with Portuguese managers. We want to replicate Wolves on the cheap LOL
|
|
|
Post by rickyqpr on Apr 12, 2019 10:42:00 GMT
QPR manager search: here’s how things stand By David McIntyre 12/04/2019
The pursuit of a new QPR manager continues following the recent sacking of Steve McClaren. Here’s how things currently stand…
Tim Sherwood Director of football Les Ferdinand’s choice. Is interested and understands the club’s difficult financial situation but wants assurances from the owners over their future plans. Talks are set to take place next week.
Mark Warburton and Michael Appleton Both very much in contention. Appleton has spoken to the club and Warburton is expected to hold talks in the coming days.
Gary Rowett Initially seen by Rangers as one of four leading candidates along with Sherwood, Warburton and Appleton, but it now out of the running.
Darren Moore Has indicated that he is interested. Has not been interviewed yet and his representatives believe he could land a more attractive job as his stock is fairly high following his controversial recent sacking by West Brom.
Kenny Jackett
Previously overlooked for the QPR job and now manager of Portsmouth, who are in a stable position and challenging for promotion from League One. Could be an option if Rangers wait until the end of the season and Pompey don’t go up, but even then he might well be out of reach.
Derek McInnes Ferdinand likes the Aberdeen manager and was keen on him last year but the owners wanted McClaren. However, like Jackett, he would not be easy to prise away. Compensation to Aberdeen would be a stumbling block and in any case QPR’s financial situation could deter McInnes, who has had to rebuild his reputation since working in difficult circumstances at Bristol City.
Gareth Ainsworth There has been no sign at all of a move for the former QPR winger, who has been Wycombe manager for almost seven years. Whether that changes if Rangers do not appoint someone this season remains to be seen. Was initially regarded by the club as very much a possible replacement when McClaren was on thin ice at Loftus Road, but momentum behind Ainsworth then slowed.
Marc Bircham QPR: Marc Bircham The former QPR player, coach and assistant boss was interviewed this week.
Lee Bowyer The Charlton manager’s current contract is due to expire this summer and he would be keen on the Rangers job if approached.
Nigel Pearson, Steve Cotterill and Billy Davies have shown an interest in the job, while the CVs of various coaches outside the UK have been submitted.
|
|
|
Post by bowranger on Apr 12, 2019 12:00:51 GMT
Glad we are not rushing into anything. With only 5 games left in a short period I am quite happy to wait until the season is over. I do not get this Sherwood thing. He must be demanding a big salary and a spending budget if he interested at all; I think he is out of our league - plus I do not want him anyway. Same - I can only assume that if he truly is Ferdinand's choice then it must be based squarely on his experiences with him at Spurs cos I've seen little about him that would make me feel confident at Villa (weird, arrogant, erratic selections) or Swindon (big talk about impact, failure, immediately distancing himself from it like it was nothing to do with him).
|
|
|
Post by rickyqpr on Apr 12, 2019 12:21:01 GMT
Paddy Power odds - big changes today
Carlos Carvalhal Previous Team: Swansea City Left: 18 May 2018 Bet Here - Paddy Power 10/11
Marc Bircham Previous Team: Queens Park Rangers Left: 17 Dec 2009 Bet Here - Paddy Power 11/4
Tim Sherwood Previous Team: Aston Villa Left: 25 Oct 2015 Bet Here - Paddy Power 11/2
Mark Warburton Previous Team: Nottingham Forest Left: 31 Dec 2017 Bet Here - Paddy Power 9/1
Michael Appleton Previous Team: Oxford United Left: 20 Jun 2017 Bet Here - Paddy Power 12/1
Gareth Ainsworth Current Team: Wycombe Wanderers Time With Team: 6 years 6 mths 18 days Bet Here - Paddy Power 22/1
John Eustace Current Team: Queens Park Rangers Time With Team: 11 days Bet Here - Paddy Power 22/1
Darren Moore Previous Team: West Bromwich Albion Left: 9 Mar 2019 Bet Here - Paddy Power 22/1
Nigel Pearson Previous Team: Leuven Left: 3 Feb 2019 Bet Here - Paddy Power 22/1
Lee Bowyer Current Team: Charlton Athletic Time With Team: 1 year 21 days Bet Here - Paddy Power 25/1
Gary Rowett Previous Team: Stoke City Left: 8 Jan 2019 Bet Here - Paddy Power 25/1
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 12, 2019 12:44:43 GMT
Glad we are not rushing into anything. With only 5 games left in a short period I am quite happy to wait until the season is over. I do not get this Sherwood thing. He must be demanding a big salary and a spending budget if he interested at all; I think he is out of our league - plus I do not want him anyway. Same - I can only assume that if he truly is Ferdinand's choice then it must be based squarely on his experiences with him at Spurs cos I've seen little about him that would make me feel confident at Villa (weird, arrogant, erratic selections) or Swindon (big talk about impact, failure, immediately distancing himself from it like it was nothing to do with him). Sherwood wants Assurance I want assurances we won’t be in the bottom three at Christmas ... I will look kinda funny if we interview all these people then give it to Sherwood after all that. This money pumping on Carvalhal is interesting though... A manager that got Sheff Weds in the playoffs twice all be it, he lost both times.
|
|
|
Post by terryb on Apr 12, 2019 13:48:30 GMT
A poster on LFW claims that Carlos Carvalhal has met the players & will be sat in the stand tomorrow.
I can't quite picture him operating with our financial limitations though!
|
|
|
Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Apr 12, 2019 13:56:20 GMT
Odds are shortening on Steve Evans (but still long...) and Harry Redknapp is in at 25s (!!! ). I'd be absolutely delighted with Carlos Carvalhal - definitely the 'right sort'.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 12, 2019 14:35:05 GMT
A poster on LFW claims that Carlos Carvalhal has met the players & will be sat in the stand tomorrow. I can't quite picture him operating with our financial limitations though! Don’t forget PSG are buying us though Terry
|
|
|
Post by rangersman on Apr 12, 2019 16:43:49 GMT
Sherwood would be a complete disaster, i wouldnt mind seeing Ferdinand leave the club too.
|
|
|
Post by Marc on Apr 12, 2019 17:05:33 GMT
Sherwood would be a complete disaster, i wouldnt mind seeing Ferdinand leave the club too. Why?
|
|
|
Post by tightattheback on Apr 12, 2019 21:36:59 GMT
Sherwood would be a complete disaster, i wouldnt mind seeing Ferdinand leave the club too. Why? I’d love someone to tell me what progress we’ve made since LF has been in place!
|
|
|
Post by Marc on Apr 12, 2019 21:42:32 GMT
I’d love someone to tell me what progress we’ve made since LF has been in place! Depends how you define progress. If you're looking at league position, that's down to player and Manager/coaching staff, not the DoF.
|
|
|
Post by bowranger on Apr 13, 2019 11:02:42 GMT
I’d love someone to tell me what progress we’ve made since LF has been in place! In terms of his remit, quite a lot I think. More youth players of a higher quality compared to recent years. The long term opening up of a pathway from the U18s to U23s to the first team, which barely existed before. Work to slash the wage bill with Hoos to comply with FFP. It's not all perfect, for sure. The four loanees this season seems to be an aberration on that, though I'd assume it's the board and McLaren who have the final say of that - and after how absolutely shocking we were at the start of the season, I can see why they panicked. Most of us on here at the time at the very least understood a loaned striker, if not all of the loanees. Ferdinand doesn't pick the team and he rightly doesn't have the power to force managers to include players, beyond setting up the pipeline and the characteristics of the kind of players we recommend or bring through. It's telling that reportedly McClaren largely rejected the list of targets presented to him by our scouring setup. He's not infallible but he gets lumped in with general annoyance at the club. It's totally possible and normal for us to be crap on the pitch and for the board to make the wrong calls with the likes of Ferdinand doing a broadly good job.
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on Apr 13, 2019 12:55:44 GMT
We went decades without bringing more than a handful of Youth players to the first team. Richard Langley was the only one for a longtime.
We made great progress since that time, much of it under Les.
|
|
|
Post by tightattheback on Apr 13, 2019 17:33:12 GMT
I’d be quite confident that I could bring through more youth players and cut he wage bill while dropping down in the league.
OK, so league position is down to manager and players, but doesn’t LF have a big say in who’s managing and therefore who’s playing. Les was a decent player but yet to convince me that he’s worthy of his position as DoF!
|
|
|
Post by Marc on Apr 13, 2019 17:37:36 GMT
I’d be quite confident that I could bring through more youth players and cut he wage bill while dropping down in the league. OK, so league position is down to manager and players, but doesn’t LF have a big say in who’s managing and therefore who’s playing. Les was a decent player but yet to convince me that he’s worthy of his position as DoF! McCaren was hired by Fernandes, LF wasn't that keen.
|
|
|
Post by bowranger on Apr 13, 2019 18:16:14 GMT
I’d be quite confident that I could bring through more youth players and cut he wage bill while dropping down in the league. OK, so league position is down to manager and players, but doesn’t LF have a big say in who’s managing and therefore who’s playing. Les was a decent player but yet to convince me that he’s worthy of his position as DoF! To be honest, if you're confident of being able to do all that at a club like ours in the second highest league in England, under the kind of restrictions we are under, then not really sure I'm qualified to say owt on it! Edit - Just another thought on this stuff. It doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire for better, but in terms of a remit and it being measurable, it seems off to judge that on us finishing lower midtable since he's been here. It's basically asking us to be dramatically better, but under worse circumstances and more pressure and less resources than we've had previously. It's expecting the players being brought through/in, on less money, still without a training ground, still with the manager upheaval (which others have said, doesn't seem to be down to him), parachute payments stopping next year, and expecting us to be better overall. It's a long old process, it's frustrating but in terms of the stuff directly under his control, I can't see which elements of that have been categorically poor.
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on Apr 14, 2019 10:11:23 GMT
Generating young players to get into the first team is not the only policy. It’s part of a strategy which includes picking up young players discarded by other academies and buying the right established professionals at the right price who have future value.
By no means does this result in dropping down the leagues and if it’s all we can afford then we have no choice anyway.
The last time we dropped into league 1 our strategy was based on buying talent not youth. That went badly because we ran out of money and get relegated and into administration. Even if we can’t guarantee our league positions at least we can make sure we don’t go bankrupt again.
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on Apr 14, 2019 10:21:56 GMT
Yesterday’s result validated the decision to remove Steve. a flawed appointment that represented a pointless gamble on a faded reputation that cost us too much of our limited resources. He’s not evil, just has a high opinion of himself and an overrated manager. Maybe he got a lesson in not briefing against your predecessor in order to get yourself a job. I wouldn’t want him consulting with my club if I was a manager!
Whether Eustace achieved a result from tactics or new manager bounce, it’s welcome. It’s not enough to make a positive decision to appoint him......yet!
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on Apr 15, 2019 0:22:38 GMT
Yesterday’s result validated the decision to remove Steve. a flawed appointment that represented a pointless gamble on a faded reputation that cost us too much of our limited resources. He’s not evil, just has a high opinion of himself and an overrated manager. Maybe he got a lesson in not briefing against your predecessor in order to get yourself a job. I wouldn’t want him consulting with my club if I was a manager! Whether Eustace achieved a result from tactics or new manager bounce, it’s welcome. It’s not enough to make a positive decision to appoint him......yet! Does it? One result out of 46 however good it was proves little. We had a couple of very good wins against top teams under McClaren as well I seem to recall. Obviuosly a much improved performance and result that we all welcome but what changed yesterday?  Could have been tactics, manager bounce, selection or even just players commitment, and players trying to restore some pride knowing some have not been playing to their ability. May have also taking advantage of a  lack of confidence of a Swansea team who have lost 6 away games on the bounce. What ever I'll take the 3 points and hopefully the resulting improved confidence of the fans will be shared by the players - without becoming complacent - and make sure we get another win on Friday.
Start of the season the knives were out for the manager because of 4 defeats in a row. By Christmas people were eating humble pie because we were on the fringe of the play-offs before disaster struct. If we lose the next 4 what does that prove about McClaren or Eustace or the players or a new manager if one is in place. Nothing really other than that most fans are quick to jump to conclusions and at the same time criticise the board for doing the same. That's what makes football interesting and all a matter of opinion - but football is a funny game. Like you say, it could be anything that brought about the win but one notable Eustace difference is to try something else rather than carry on with the same plan. Steve took too long to do something different and that intransigence to change it up ultimately cost him his job. After Steve got us to 8th place, those fans that ate humble pie or crowed about having predicted success are now unified by one thing; they were both wrong. I was being tongue in cheek about Eustace getting appointed. Even Ramsey has a few more games before being appointed and lauded by our owners!
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 18, 2019 19:44:44 GMT
|
|
|
Post by harr on Apr 18, 2019 19:52:19 GMT
|
|
|
Post by stylecouncillor on Apr 19, 2019 13:38:35 GMT
Sorry Les but that sounds like the same old rubbish fed to Ian Holloway who did it and got sacked for it.
|
|
|
Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2019 15:27:15 GMT
Sorry Les but that sounds like the same old rubbish fed to Ian Holloway who did it and got sacked for it. Maybe, but that wasn’t Les’s decision to hire or fire IH. This next appointment needs to be one he and Hoos alone make, nothing to do with TF and the others.
|
|