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Post by timewaster on Nov 4, 2015 21:23:27 GMT
One thing is for sure. Bernie and Flavio would not have put up with any of this. Flavio may actually of helped Ramsey with team selection
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2015 21:43:11 GMT
Told you he wouldn't last the weekend.
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Post by angelsone9 on Nov 4, 2015 21:45:33 GMT
yep- he's toast. but who now?
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Post by gje on Nov 4, 2015 21:51:54 GMT
yep- he's toast. but who now? Warnock temporarily?
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Post by alfaranger on Nov 4, 2015 21:52:08 GMT
Even though it was widely expected, I'm still a bit shocked. Warnock until new manager appointed do you think?
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2015 21:58:52 GMT
Told you he wouldn't last the weekend. Why whats happened?
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2015 21:59:48 GMT
Even though it was widely expected, I'm still a bit shocked. Warnock until new manager appointed do you think? Why are you shocked? I was kind of expiating this at about half past ten last night to be honest with you. I genuinely couldn't see him lasting past this weekend. The atmosphere at LR is too bad for even the bungling fools in charge of our club to let it continue. LR later has been a hinderance rather than a help to our players. Its not all Ramsey's fault by any means, but that's not how the fans have seen it and the only way the atmosphere was going to change was by getting rid of him.
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2015 22:00:48 GMT
Told you he wouldn't last the weekend. Why whats happened? Your wish has happened. Ramsey's been sacked.
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Post by alfaranger on Nov 4, 2015 22:00:42 GMT
Me and gje obviously been writing copy for BBC!
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Post by timewaster on Nov 4, 2015 22:01:24 GMT
We still have time to turn our season round if we win on Saturday
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Post by hitmanrangers on Nov 4, 2015 22:01:22 GMT
Warnock starts well then he keeps job to end of season, see if we can make a push for play-offs if he can get the players playing to their potential again. Board obviously now taking the direction that we should be challenging this season rather than one of consolidation given we did not shift as many players as first thought. Would like Warnock to remain in charge to end of season with a plan for someone young manager to step in next season. Gareth Ainsworth would be a good shout, but might lack experience for what the Board seem to want to achieve now. Otherwise you are probably looking at a fairly big name, perhaps Di Matteo (if we can stomach the Chelsea link) or Rodgers as an outside bet - would be interesting
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Post by alfaranger on Nov 4, 2015 22:04:33 GMT
Even though it was widely expected, I'm still a bit shocked. Warnock until new manager appointed do you think? Why are you shocked? I was kind of expiating this at about half past ten last night to be honest with you. I genuinely couldn't see him lasting past this weekend. The atmosphere at LR is too bad for even the bungling fools in charge of our club to let it continue. LR later has been a hinderance rather than a help to our players. Its not all Ramsey's fault by any means, but that's not how the fans have seen it and the only way the atmosphere was going to change was by getting rid of him. Not shocked as in surprised its happenned but just a little stand back and an exclamation as in 'oh' - then I got over it, didn't even have to resort to anything medicinal, although I might just 'resort'.
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2015 22:06:33 GMT
Why are you shocked? I was kind of expiating this at about half past ten last night to be honest with you. I genuinely couldn't see him lasting past this weekend. The atmosphere at LR is too bad for even the bungling fools in charge of our club to let it continue. LR later has been a hinderance rather than a help to our players. Its not all Ramsey's fault by any means, but that's not how the fans have seen it and the only way the atmosphere was going to change was by getting rid of him. Not shocked as in surprised its happenned but just a little stand back and an exclamation as in 'oh' - then I got over it, didn't even have to resort to anything medicinal, although I might just 'resort'. I've only just got home about half an hour ago and first thing I did was go to BBC website because I was sure I'd see some announcement from the club. True to form……..
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Post by salts on Nov 4, 2015 22:06:35 GMT
Warnock says he doesn't want a manager's job full time. Will he change his mind? Or will Tim Sherwood be offered the job? Or will they look elsewhere? My guess is...Sherwood will get it. Not many people's ideal choice but...please give him a chance if he does get it!
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2015 22:07:40 GMT
Your wish has happened. Ramsey's been sacked. Just seen it on the other post Nomar, thanks. Look I dont get a joy out of wanting a Manager sacked but you must agree he was struggling and we need to be getting more than a point a game. Think it was best all round he went now rather than 2016 in case we dropped even lower.
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2015 22:09:48 GMT
Warnock says he doesn't want a manager's job full time. Will he change his mind? Or will Tim Sherwood be offered the job? Or will they look elsewhere? My guess is...Sherwood will get it. Not many people's ideal choice but...please give him a chance if he does get it! Employing Sherwood now would be almost as bad as giving Ramsey the three year deal imo
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Post by salts on Nov 4, 2015 22:11:35 GMT
Maybe. Why do you think that?
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2015 22:18:59 GMT
Maybe. Why do you think that? Im not saying he didnt do a good job at Spurs, he did. He also kept Villa up last year. However he is another mate of Les and I dont think at this time we should be getting someone close to a director of football like we just had. It can get in the way of things. He hasnt Championship Manager experience either. Rather we just steered clear of him and got someone who has done well in the Championship before.
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2015 22:21:25 GMT
Your wish has happened. Ramsey's been sacked. Just seen it on the other post Nomar, thanks. Look I dont get a joy out of wanting a Manager sacked but you must agree he was struggling and we need to be getting more than a point a game. Think it was best all round he went now rather than 2016 in case we dropped even lower. Its not just Ramsey's fault. But, yes, his position had become untenable if for no other reasons than the ones I've mention already. As a manager, once you lose the few fans you had on your side from the start then the writing really is on the wall. Had the kept him they risked LR becoming more of a hinderance to the club. Saturday will at least see Rangers fans united and positive which is something they haven't been for a while now.
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2015 22:27:34 GMT
Just seen it on the other post Nomar, thanks. Look I dont get a joy out of wanting a Manager sacked but you must agree he was struggling and we need to be getting more than a point a game. Think it was best all round he went now rather than 2016 in case we dropped even lower. Its not just Ramsey's fault. But, yes, his position had become untenable if for no other reasons than the ones I've mention already. As a manager, once you lose the few fans you had on your side from the start then the writing really is on the wall. Had the kept him they risked LR becoming more of a hinderance to the club. Saturday will at least see Rangers fans united and positive which is something they haven't been for a while now. Surprised he wasnt given the Preston game. But if we hadnt scored after 30 mins, I think some fans maybe would have turned again ?
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2015 22:41:54 GMT
Its not just Ramsey's fault. But, yes, his position had become untenable if for no other reasons than the ones I've mention already. As a manager, once you lose the few fans you had on your side from the start then the writing really is on the wall. Had the kept him they risked LR becoming more of a hinderance to the club. Saturday will at least see Rangers fans united and positive which is something they haven't been for a while now. Surprised he wasnt given the Preston game. But if we hadnt scored after 30 mins, I think some fans maybe would have turned again ? Would have been genuinely gobsmacked if he WAS given the Preston game actually.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 4, 2015 23:39:42 GMT
I reckon we should go after the special one, he's about to get the flick at the scum and perhaps he could rub it in their faces by getting the best out of what we have here.
Just thought I would throw it out there. But a big NO from me in regarding Sherwood.
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Post by timewaster on Nov 4, 2015 23:44:40 GMT
I reckon we should go after the special one, he's about to get the flick at the scum and perhaps he could rub it in their faces by getting the best out of what we have here. Just thought I would throw it out there. But a big NO from me in regarding Sherwood. He would never come here Pearson and Rodgers are free
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Post by bowranger on Nov 5, 2015 10:08:19 GMT
I expect Ramsey to be in charge against Preston. There has been more talk about not enough black managers in the game over the last week. This could give him longer than he deserves. Ramsey and Powell sacked within a week, I think you can probably pop your tin foil hat away...
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Post by bowranger on Nov 5, 2015 10:13:34 GMT
I reckon we should go after the special one, he's about to get the flick at the scum and perhaps he could rub it in their faces by getting the best out of what we have here. Just thought I would throw it out there. But a big NO from me in regarding Sherwood. He would never come here Pearson and Rodgers are free Brendan Rogers would never come here and Pearson took 18 months to slowly craft that Leicester side into promotion challengers and had an appalling record in his first season with them. We would have hounded him out far sooner.
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Post by alfaranger on Nov 5, 2015 10:24:16 GMT
I expect Ramsey to be in charge against Preston. There has been more talk about not enough black managers in the game over the last week. This could give him longer than he deserves. Ramsey and Powell sacked within a week, I think you can probably pop your tin foil hat away... Troy Townsend from 'Kick it Out' is implying that they were sacked because they're black. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34730265
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Post by bowranger on Nov 5, 2015 10:56:02 GMT
Ramsey and Powell sacked within a week, I think you can probably pop your tin foil hat away... Troy Townsend from 'Kick it Out' is implying that they were sacked because they're black. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34730265I don't think he necessarily is implying that? I don't totally agree with the guy's point but what I took from it is that he's saying it's disheartening because there's barely any mangers or coaches from a BME background in the game and 30% of those coaches have been sacked in quick succession. The implied knock-on affect I got from his quotes is that it makes people look at that and wonder (he says "people will look and think") if race is a factor - i.e. it reinforces the idea that if you are from a BME background and you're looking at that, you could wonder if race is a factor and therefore be dissuaded to move into management. No doubt some people will, depending on their experiences. But I can see how the implication you see can be perceived that way - particularly with Frank Sinclair's response as he took a similar implication from it. For what it's worth, I agree that it's disheartening in the broad sense that it's a shame that there is such a disproportionate amount of BME managers compared to players (4 out of 92 managers, but 25% of BME players). But feel like Ramsey and Powell are victims of the same system that any manager from any background falls foul to - a combination of under-performance, perceived or otherwise, and a general trend within football of chopping and changing managers when things aren't going well. It's rarer than ever for any manager of any background to build a long-term platform at a club anymore. I'd imagine, with the boards at both clubs, Ramsey and Powell would have been sacked regardless of their background. That's modern football. (For context, I was originally quoting the other post because I thought it was pretty ironic because a poster was implying Ramsey was getting a longer go at the job because of his race and then two black managers get sacked within a week, which seems to kinda contradict the point).
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Post by sharky on Nov 5, 2015 12:25:35 GMT
I reckon we should go after the special one, he's about to get the flick at the scum and perhaps he could rub it in their faces by getting the best out of what we have here. Just thought I would throw it out there. But a big NO from me in regarding Sherwood. Hey Lone mate, first you want that cheating good for nothing Berisha at the Rs and next you want the Sc*m manager. You been smoking something you shouldn't? Next you'll want to take on the most unsecure position in the world, QPR manager!
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Post by Bushman on Nov 6, 2015 21:42:24 GMT
Warnock starts well then he keeps job to end of season, see if we can make a push for play-offs if he can get the players playing to their potential again. Board obviously now taking the direction that we should be challenging this season rather than one of consolidation given we did not shift as many players as first thought. Would like Warnock to remain in charge to end of season with a plan for someone young manager to step in next season. Gareth Ainsworth would be a good shout, but might lack experience for what the Board seem to want to achieve now. Otherwise you are probably looking at a fairly big name, perhaps Di Matteo (if we can stomach the Chelsea link) or Rodgers as an outside bet - would be interesting Pearson
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Post by harr on Nov 6, 2015 21:56:09 GMT
Pearsons odds just shot down to 6/5 favourite. Hasselbank. 7/2 Warnock 9/2 Stubbs 5/1 Sherwood 7/1 Holloway 16/1 Ferdinand 16/1 Laudrup 20/1
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