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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2015 17:14:25 GMT
If we keep hold of Austin and Phillips we look half decent! We look half decent full stop!
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Post by bowles on Aug 29, 2015 22:32:08 GMT
And so this thread goes on , BAD BAD!
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 30, 2015 4:13:29 GMT
And so this thread goes on , BAD BAD! but the thread has been subverted, Gooooood
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2015 5:25:27 GMT
Ramsey must go to Loftus Rd to take charge of the Rs team to play Forrest on 12 September!
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 1, 2015 8:11:28 GMT
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Post by maude on Sept 1, 2015 15:25:23 GMT
Great work by les and Ramsey in the transfer window.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 17, 2015 8:03:16 GMT
As noted in the other thread, post comments (if you want) here
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Post by tightattheback on Sept 17, 2015 8:35:58 GMT
With seven games gone now, I think it's fair that we can start to make early judgement of how the club is performing, here is my opinion, and it's a very condensed version: I really do feel that we have a squad of players that are easily capable of at least a play off place. Of the team that played last night, I reckon that most would get into almost any side in the Championship. However, as we all know, a side full of good individuals does not necessarily make a good team. And that is down to the people who are paid and trusted to make them a good team. Us fans cant keep trying to blame individuals for conceding goals. Our defence is made up (in my opinion) of four very able defenders. How long are we going to continue shipping two goals per game, why oh why isn't Chris Ramsey employing a defensive coach who can gel these players into a unit?Every time that Blackburn attacked last night I thought that they were likely to score. We have so many quality midfield players at the club that we should be able to control games from that area, and supply if not the best, then certainly one of the top strikers in the division. What are the coaching staff seeing? Ramsey stands in the technical area like a confused onlooker. Since he took over from Harry, his substitutions have beggared belief. I liken him to the captain of a fine ocean going liner, the trouble is, Chris is only good enough for the Isle of Wight ferry. At the moment though he has a crew that couldn't control a Serpentine rowing boat. Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/41932/rudderless#ixzz3lz0muodw
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 17, 2015 11:09:57 GMT
I see he ripped Smithies a new one, blaming him for the first goal. Unlike the golden boy Green whom has cost us plenty and Ramsey "forgives him" in stead of ripping him a new one too. Inconsistancey.
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Post by nomar on Sept 17, 2015 11:19:44 GMT
I dont think he knows how to sort out a decent defence.
Others who go to the games believe his substitutions are questionable at best.
Its only 7 games but I'm increasingly getting the feeling that, if we want to go up this season, we're going to have to get an experienced manager in.
2 goals a game conceded every game but one is unacceptable at any level of football in my opinion.
The squad he has should be capable of pushing for automatic promotion not p*ssing about in midtable.
I know who I'd have if it was my choice, controversial though it would be, as we'd immediately stop conceding stupid goals if he took over. He'd also keep us up if we got promoted.
But we won't get rid, not yet anyway, so he has to sort this defence out and get a damn site better performance out of this group of studs than he's getting right now.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 17, 2015 11:26:56 GMT
Allardyce?
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Post by nomar on Sept 17, 2015 12:12:40 GMT
Like I said, controversial. But, yes, thats who I'd go for. **Puts tin hat on and awaits barrage of criticism to follow **
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 17, 2015 12:27:17 GMT
I'd put it this way: If we were really going for instant promotion, I'd have more faith in Allardyce who has done it before.
But Allardyce wouldnt fit within this Director of Football in charge of transfers, one would think
Of course we have said that we're into rebuilding...
But we've kept (or been forced to keep) a number of expensive players
Only Ownership really know how desperate we are to get back to the money of the Prem
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 17, 2015 12:33:37 GMT
I dont think he knows how to sort out a decent defence. Others who go to the games believe his substitutions are questionable at best. Its only 7 games but I'm increasingly getting the feeling that, if we want to go up this season, we're going to have to get an experienced manager in. 2 goals a game conceded every game but one is unacceptable at any level of football in my opinion. The squad he has should be capable of pushing for automatic promotion not p*ssing about in midtable. I know who I'd have if it was my choice, controversial though it would be, as we'd immediately stop conceding stupid goals if he took over. He'd also keep us up if we got promoted. But we won't get rid, not yet anyway, so he has to sort this defence out and get a damn site better performance out of this group of studs than he's getting right now. Nomar the problem is in front of our defence, tosser and henry are just not mobile enough or good enough. When our defence retreats they go with them and Luongo is caught too far forward. There is then a huge space in the middle of the park which forest and blackburn both exploited. We were far better when the whole team pushed forward. There are also these individual errors blackburns 2nd goal last night was straight out of the sunday league. Their other centre forward won everything in the air last night, he just peeled off and got a ten yard running jump on everthing. How one of our centre halfs never copped this early on is a mystery.
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Post by tightattheback on Sept 17, 2015 12:35:21 GMT
I'd put it this way: If we were really going for instant promotion, I'd have more faith in Allardyce who has done it before. But Allardyce wouldnt fit within this Director of Football in charge of transfers, one would think Of course we have said that we're into rebuilding... But we've kept (or been forced to keep) a number of expensive players Only Ownership really know how desperate we are to get back to the money of the Prem Totally agree with your choice. Surely the DoF is part of the problem?
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Post by superckat on Sept 17, 2015 13:14:31 GMT
Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. I would have Allardyce. He plays effective football. In that he plays a system that matches the players that he has and not the trying to force players into a system they can't play in. When he joined West Ham. The fans were moaning saying that he isn't playing the West Ham way. he simply replied and said the West Ham way got them relegated. It's not a popular decision. But it's a yes for me. But just to make clear. I'm not saying I want Ramsey out. I'm still willing to give him time. Unlike many I don't think our squad is that great. I don't this squad will walk us to promotion. If the season finished now. I would be happy if we finished where we are now and would say that Ramsey did a good job. Fans talk about stabilising and building. Well you don't get stability and can't build if you get rid of the Head Coach after 7 or 8 matches. Give him time to work with his squad and see what he can do. Football is a results game and the results so far haven't been that bad and you can't really blame CR for many of the results that have gone against us this season.
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Post by sharky on Sept 17, 2015 14:57:27 GMT
Seven games in and mid table and the knives are out. Glad I'm not a modern day football manager/coach!
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Post by terryb on Sept 17, 2015 16:48:15 GMT
I have just three things to say.
1) We are rebuilding. Promotion is not a priority. I believe it would be a disaster. 2) "Fat Sam" must stick to Bugsie Malone. 3) Ale Faurlin. Three appearances = three wins!
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Post by nomar on Sept 17, 2015 18:28:37 GMT
Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. I would have Allardyce. He plays effective football. In that he plays a system that matches the players that he has and not the trying to force players into a system they can't play in. When he joined West Ham. The fans were moaning saying that he isn't playing the West Ham way. he simply replied and said the West Ham way got them relegated. It's not a popular decision. But it's a yes for me. But just to make clear. I'm not saying I want Ramsey out. I'm still willing to give him time. Unlike many I don't think our squad is that great. I don't this squad will walk us to promotion. If the season finished now. I would be happy if we finished where we are now and would say that Ramsey did a good job. Fans talk about stabilising and building. Well you don't get stability and can't build if you get rid of the Head Coach after 7 or 8 matches. Give him time to work with his squad and see what he can do. Football is a results game and the results so far haven't been that bad and you can't really blame CR for many of the results that have gone against us this season. All of this.
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Post by steptoesson on Sept 17, 2015 23:23:05 GMT
This thread is not going away until we keep some clean sheets and look like we can dominate matches. We are doing neither at the moment. I have said before we should give Ramsey time, but he is to negative, this gives the opposition the upper hand from the off.
I don't really expect promotion, but I don't expect us to be dominated at home nearly every time we play there. Ramsey needs to turn our home form around if he wants any goodwill from the fans at LR. Chucking away leads and having to chase games are not recipes for a positive atmosphere at home.
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Post by powerpump on Sept 18, 2015 2:31:21 GMT
With the greatest respect I strongly disagree to anyone who says words to the effect "promotion is not a priority". It is crucial we get out of this lower league asap. We do as a squad have the players who can achieve it, but the key question is do we have the right manager who can get us back this season to the Premiership......? Surely the answer is obvious.....right?
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 18, 2015 8:18:31 GMT
IF just staying in the Championship (not relegated again) but not really aiming for promotion, then we're paying a **** of money - we're going to lose from Austin etc. Sort of neither here nor there.
Ramsey as the man to take us right back - Well that's quite a gamble. Or to put it another way: He might do it. But in my opinion, we'd have a better chance with a proven - the proven - manager.
But that doesn't mean now that he is the manager, I'd axe him. Certainly not after 7 games.
And sure one can point to flaws - but every manager/coach has flaws. It's whether they can be corrected, etc without the change
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 18, 2015 10:01:51 GMT
With the greatest respect I strongly disagree to anyone who says words to the effect "promotion is not a priority". It is crucial we get out of this lower league asap. We do as a squad have the players who can achieve it, but the key question is do we have the right manager who can get us back this season to the Premiership......? Surely the answer is obvious.....right? It's not as simple as that, going straight back up is what ruined us last time round, the squad just wasn't ready for the Prem yet and I fear the same this year. We have a lot of younger players now who would be better off developing in this league for a little longer first, like Luongo and Gladwin
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 18, 2015 11:39:56 GMT
With the greatest respect I strongly disagree to anyone who says words to the effect "promotion is not a priority". It is crucial we get out of this lower league asap. We do as a squad have the players who can achieve it, but the key question is do we have the right manager who can get us back this season to the Premiership......? Surely the answer is obvious.....right? How about replying to the 16 pages first???
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Post by nomar on Sept 18, 2015 16:23:26 GMT
With the greatest respect I strongly disagree to anyone who says words to the effect "promotion is not a priority". It is crucial we get out of this lower league asap. We do as a squad have the players who can achieve it, but the key question is do we have the right manager who can get us back this season to the Premiership......? Surely the answer is obvious.....right? It's not as simple as that, going straight back up is what ruined us last time round, the squad just wasn't ready for the Prem yet and I fear the same this year. We have a lot of younger players now who would be better off developing in this league for a little longer first, like Luongo and Gladwin So, we get to the playoffs. You'd want us to lose?
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Post by terryb on Sept 18, 2015 16:59:27 GMT
To answer powerpump & nomar.
The squad may or may not be good enough to achieve promotion, but would require wholesale changes next summer if we did (again) However, I don't think that Queens Park Rangers as a club are ready for a return to The Premier. Although great strides have been made this year, I doubt that they would not revert to signing older experienced expensive players again to try to survive.
The clubs that do survive promotion are the clubs that have a clear plan as to their future development. Do you honestly believe that we have that to the extent that we would not change that plan at a minute's notice?
From the day I started supporting Rangers, I have always wanted us to win. Reaching the play offs this season would be exactly like last time. I would want to win but would dread doing so. Our future is far too important to rely on "having" to be in the league above where we currently are.
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Post by Dufster on Sept 18, 2015 20:45:38 GMT
With the greatest respect I strongly disagree to anyone who says words to the effect "promotion is not a priority". It is crucial we get out of this lower league asap. We do as a squad have the players who can achieve it, but the key question is do we have the right manager who can get us back this season to the Premiership......? Surely the answer is obvious.....right? It's not as simple as that, going straight back up is what ruined us last time round, the squad just wasn't ready for the Prem yet and I fear the same this year. We have a lot of younger players now who would be better off developing in this league for a little longer first, like Luongo and Gladwin Nothing wrong with getting promoted straight back into the Premiership if we have played well enough to earn it! We already know you cant buy a premiership team so if it did happen we have to stick within an acceptable pay structure.....enjoy the financial wind fall but stick with our buying strategy of investing in the right players.....and live with the outcome!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 18, 2015 23:33:55 GMT
It's not as simple as that, going straight back up is what ruined us last time round, the squad just wasn't ready for the Prem yet and I fear the same this year. We have a lot of younger players now who would be better off developing in this league for a little longer first, like Luongo and Gladwin So, we get to the playoffs. You'd want us to lose? Obviously not.......
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Post by steptoesson on Sept 25, 2015 20:26:19 GMT
Sorry people but this thread has to be bumped. Can no longer give Ramsey my support now, Don't know how others feel but this is abject.
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Post by Marc on Sept 25, 2015 20:28:35 GMT
Sorry people but this thread has to be bumped. Can no longer give Ramsey my support now, Don't know how others feel but this is abject. Edging that way myself but want to see what he does in the next game though.
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