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Post by londonranger on Aug 4, 2015 13:41:22 GMT
Beats me.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 4, 2015 13:42:57 GMT
Yes
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Post by sharky on Aug 4, 2015 13:44:40 GMT
I would hope so, but the Club may not want to risk him picking up an injury.
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Post by Marc on Aug 4, 2015 13:56:30 GMT
Well he was getting stuck in in training today
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 4, 2015 14:27:04 GMT
If match fit I think he'll play.
Suspect he might start on the bench though, as he didn't play against Atalanta.
Don't think he's going to get wrapped in cotton wool.
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2015 18:09:59 GMT
I think Ramsey is playing a totally stupid game here.
I'm convinced he's going to play Charlie for the 1st few games knowing full well that he's going to sell him on Deadline day.
If this is his plan then I really cannot agree with his reasoning behind it.
Knowing our luck Charlie gets injured early and pretty much loses any transfer value he has left.
If you have faith in the players you've already got in to score goals for you then why keep Austin only to sell him in 3 weeks time?
If you don't have faith in them then sell Austin and get in someone you feel can get you the goals you need.
But, if you don't have faith in them then selling Austin at the last minute and not being able to replace him with someone you do trust to score goals in the Championship helps you how, exactly?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 4, 2015 19:55:34 GMT
I think Ramsey is playing a totally stupid game here. I'm convinced he's going to play Charlie for the 1st few games knowing full well that he's going to sell him on Deadline day. If this is his plan then I really cannot agree with his reasoning behind it. Knowing our luck Charlie gets injured early and pretty much loses any transfer value he has left. If you have faith in the players you've already got in to score goals for you then why keep Austin only to sell him in 3 weeks time? If you don't have faith in them then sell Austin and get in someone you feel can get you the goals you need. But, if you don't have faith in them then selling Austin at the last minute and not being able to replace him with someone you do trust to score goals in the Championship helps you how, exactly? They'll see him as and when an offer that isn't disrespectful is made, which so far has yet to happen, there is no chance Ramsey will be planning to sell him on deadline day. Of course he's going to play, you play your best players at your disposal until they're no longer yours.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 4, 2015 20:35:52 GMT
Rory, you are so undoubtedly correct, in your thinking.
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2015 20:53:55 GMT
I think Ramsey is playing a totally stupid game here. I'm convinced he's going to play Charlie for the 1st few games knowing full well that he's going to sell him on Deadline day. If this is his plan then I really cannot agree with his reasoning behind it. Knowing our luck Charlie gets injured early and pretty much loses any transfer value he has left. If you have faith in the players you've already got in to score goals for you then why keep Austin only to sell him in 3 weeks time? If you don't have faith in them then sell Austin and get in someone you feel can get you the goals you need. But, if you don't have faith in them then selling Austin at the last minute and not being able to replace him with someone you do trust to score goals in the Championship helps you how, exactly? They'll see him as and when an offer that isn't disrespectful is made, which so far has yet to happen, there is no chance Ramsey will be planning to sell him on deadline day. Of course he's going to play, you play your best players at your disposal until they're no longer yours. Austin doesn't want Championship football, Rory. A Prem team wants him but doesn't want to pay the asking price. No one ever does want to pay the asking price and unless he has a release clause in his contract why should they? We seem to be valuing him out of a move. Great! So we keep him and as a result he gets p*ssed off because we've stopped him going to a Prem club. If he doesn't go in this window he's worth naff all in January regardless of how many goals he scores between now and then as he will only have 6 months on his contract. At that point, if I was Austin, I'd tell Ramsey to shove his new contract and walk as a free agent next summer. Even if we got promoted I'd still probably just let my contract run down so I could take my pick of which teams I can sign for next season. My fear is that we hold out for the £15m and, sure enough, on deadline day in comes the £15m bid from she Prem club who realises the new striker they bought can't hack it in the Prem. But now its too late to replace Charlie because no other team is going to be suicidal enough to sell us their main striker at 10pm on September 1st when they have no one to replace him with. So, yeah, that would be well worth holding out for the extra £1.5m wouldn't it! Like I said above, if he's not planning to replace Charlie with a proven Championship goalscorer then that must mean that he believes the strikers he's bought in already are good enough. If he thinks they're good enough then what's the big deal about holding onto Charlie for the next 5 games (as he says) and then selling him at the last minute? If he has confidence in JET, Mackie and Polter then let Charlie has his move now and move on. That he wants to keep playing Austin suggests to me that he isn't confident in those strikers. So if he's not then he needs to get someone in that he does feel confident about. I just think this is being handled naively by Les and Chris, showing some inexperience here. Not once have I seen or heard that any form of negotiating has taken place here. It seems to be inevitably dragging out towards another deadline day fiasco.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 4, 2015 21:22:05 GMT
They'll see him as and when an offer that isn't disrespectful is made, which so far has yet to happen, there is no chance Ramsey will be planning to sell him on deadline day. Of course he's going to play, you play your best players at your disposal until they're no longer yours. Austin doesn't want Championship football, Rory. A Prem team wants him but doesn't want to pay the asking price. No one ever does want to pay the asking price and unless he has a release clause in his contract why should they? We seem to be valuing him out of a move. Great! So we keep him and as a result he gets p*ssed off because we've stopped him going to a Prem club. If he doesn't go in this window he's worth naff all in January regardless of how many goals he scores between now and then as he will only have 6 months on his contract. At that point, if I was Austin, I'd tell Ramsey to shove his new contract and walk as a free agent next summer. Even if we got promoted I'd still probably just let my contract run down so I could take my pick of which teams I can sign for next season. My fear is that we hold out for the £15m and, sure enough, on deadline day in comes the £15m bid from she Prem club who realises the new striker they bought can't hack it in the Prem. But now its too late to replace Charlie because no other team is going to be suicidal enough to sell us their main striker at 10pm on September 1st when they have no one to replace him with. So, yeah, that would be well worth holding out for the extra £1.5m wouldn't it! Like I said above, if he's not planning to replace Charlie with a proven Championship goalscorer then that must mean that he believes the strikers he's bought in already are good enough. If he thinks they're good enough then what's the big deal about holding onto Charlie for the next 5 games (as he says) and then selling him at the last minute? If he has confidence in JET, Mackie and Polter then let Charlie has his move now and move on. That he wants to keep playing Austin suggests to me that he isn't confident in those strikers. So if he's not then he needs to get someone in that he does feel confident about. I just think this is being handled naively by Les and Chris, showing some inexperience here. Not once have I seen or heard that any form of negotiating has taken place here. It seems to be inevitably dragging out towards another deadline day fiasco. If it comes to Austin staying, I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't kick up a fuss about it, he would just get on with it and make sure he does enough this season to get himself the big move he wants. Who knows if he doesn't get his move he may just decide to sign the new contract and put a Championship release clause in it for if we don't go up. Don't forget the loan market of course, the big teams will have strikers to be loaned out, James Wilson comes to mind at MUFC as a potential target. Saying all this though, if Palace offered us £13.5m plus Gayle on loan I would take it now
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maude
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Post by maude on Aug 4, 2015 23:09:25 GMT
Makes me laugh that some posters really believe that they know what's going to happen with Austin. Professionally and personally.
Re read your posts.
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Post by steptoesson on Aug 5, 2015 0:05:48 GMT
If bid comes in Friday night, Then no, If he is not fit, then no, If he is fit then yes.
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Post by nomar on Aug 5, 2015 12:40:58 GMT
Makes me laugh that some posters really believe that they know what's going to happen with Austin. Professionally and personally. Re read your posts. I haven't ever pretended to know what Austin will or won't do. I merely have stated what my fears are and how he might respond in a 'worse case scenario'. He's already said he feels he's a Premier League player, which is the understatement of the year, so its not like we have to sit here scratching our heads wondering if he really wants to go back to the Prem next season.
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Dufster
Neil Warnock
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Post by Dufster on Aug 5, 2015 12:59:01 GMT
I think he will play Charlie if he can.....personally a winning start will his key priority...Les might push back but CR will want his best out there! IMO of course
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Post by bowranger on Aug 5, 2015 13:07:51 GMT
Austin doesn't want Championship football, Rory. A Prem team wants him but doesn't want to pay the asking price. No one ever does want to pay the asking price and unless he has a release clause in his contract why should they? We seem to be valuing him out of a move. Great! So we keep him and as a result he gets p*ssed off because we've stopped him going to a Prem club. If he doesn't go in this window he's worth naff all in January regardless of how many goals he scores between now and then as he will only have 6 months on his contract. At that point, if I was Austin, I'd tell Ramsey to shove his new contract and walk as a free agent next summer. Even if we got promoted I'd still probably just let my contract run down so I could take my pick of which teams I can sign for next season. My fear is that we hold out for the £15m and, sure enough, on deadline day in comes the £15m bid from she Prem club who realises the new striker they bought can't hack it in the Prem. But now its too late to replace Charlie because no other team is going to be suicidal enough to sell us their main striker at 10pm on September 1st when they have no one to replace him with. So, yeah, that would be well worth holding out for the extra £1.5m wouldn't it! Like I said above, if he's not planning to replace Charlie with a proven Championship goalscorer then that must mean that he believes the strikers he's bought in already are good enough. If he thinks they're good enough then what's the big deal about holding onto Charlie for the next 5 games (as he says) and then selling him at the last minute? If he has confidence in JET, Mackie and Polter then let Charlie has his move now and move on. That he wants to keep playing Austin suggests to me that he isn't confident in those strikers. So if he's not then he needs to get someone in that he does feel confident about. I just think this is being handled naively by Les and Chris, showing some inexperience here. Not once have I seen or heard that any form of negotiating has taken place here. It seems to be inevitably dragging out towards another deadline day fiasco. If it comes to Austin staying, I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't kick up a fuss about it, he would just get on with it and make sure he does enough this season to get himself the big move he wants. Who knows if he doesn't get his move he may just decide to sign the new contract and put a Championship release clause in it for if we don't go up. Don't forget the loan market of course, the big teams will have strikers to be loaned out, James Wilson comes to mind at MUFC as a potential target. Saying all this though, if Palace offered us £13.5m plus Gayle on loan I would take it now I think some of this is reaching a little bit in the original quote (although I know you're putting out a worst case scenario etc.). Playing Austin doesn't necessarily mean we don't have confidence in the rest of our frontline, it's just using the best talent we've got contracted to us at the current time. Austin is a Premier League quality striker, doesn't mean we're saying the rest aren't good enough for the Championship. With people not selling us their first choice strikers, they weren't going to want to sell us them a month ago either (although obviously would rather be thrashing that out earlier than later). As Rory says, there's the loan market to dip into - not to mention that later business in the window where other clubs bring strikers in often results in other strikers down the pecking order at their respective clubs who may be after first team football. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a good situation to be in really - I hate how this is all dragging on. But yeah, don't think it's necessarily as bad as the situation being laid out.
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Post by FloridaR on Aug 5, 2015 13:08:15 GMT
If available and fit - play him.
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Post by kenthoop on Aug 5, 2015 14:14:57 GMT
First name on my team sheet
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Post by corndog on Aug 5, 2015 17:05:57 GMT
Austin doesn't want Championship football, Rory. A Prem team wants him but doesn't want to pay the asking price. No one ever does want to pay the asking price and unless he has a release clause in his contract why should they? We seem to be valuing him out of a move. Great! So we keep him and as a result he gets p*ssed off because we've stopped him going to a Prem club. If he doesn't go in this window he's worth naff all in January regardless of how many goals he scores between now and then as he will only have 6 months on his contract. At that point, if I was Austin, I'd tell Ramsey to shove his new contract and walk as a free agent next summer. Even if we got promoted I'd still probably just let my contract run down so I could take my pick of which teams I can sign for next season. My fear is that we hold out for the £15m and, sure enough, on deadline day in comes the £15m bid from she Prem club who realises the new striker they bought can't hack it in the Prem. But now its too late to replace Charlie because no other team is going to be suicidal enough to sell us their main striker at 10pm on September 1st when they have no one to replace him with. So, yeah, that would be well worth holding out for the extra £1.5m wouldn't it! Like I said above, if he's not planning to replace Charlie with a proven Championship goalscorer then that must mean that he believes the strikers he's bought in already are good enough. If he thinks they're good enough then what's the big deal about holding onto Charlie for the next 5 games (as he says) and then selling him at the last minute? If he has confidence in JET, Mackie and Polter then let Charlie has his move now and move on. That he wants to keep playing Austin suggests to me that he isn't confident in those strikers. So if he's not then he needs to get someone in that he does feel confident about. I just think this is being handled naively by Les and Chris, showing some inexperience here. Not once have I seen or heard that any form of negotiating has taken place here. It seems to be inevitably dragging out towards another deadline day fiasco. If it comes to Austin staying, I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't kick up a fuss about it, he would just get on with it and make sure he does enough this season to get himself the big move he wants. Who knows if he doesn't get his move he may just decide to sign the new contract and put a Championship release clause in it for if we don't go up. Don't forget the loan market of course, the big teams will have strikers to be loaned out, James Wilson comes to mind at MUFC as a potential target. Saying all this though, if Palace offered us £13.5m plus Gayle on loan I would take it now I agree with most of that Rory. If Austin doesn't get sold, he is a professional and I seriously can't see him sulking and not caring. If anything he will have added motivation to stay at the top of his game and get back to the top flight. However, I cannot imagine at this point in his career that he wants to play another season in the Championship. He wants to play in the Premier League and prove he is one of the best strikers in the world. As far as resigning, I think that would be an issue if he doesn't get sold. It would be very upsetting if he ends up walking for free at the end of this season. On the other side, I can't see why he would say no to a new contract with more money. They can agree on reasonable release clause, that would make him easy to sell if we don't get promoted, while still giving the club a nice return.
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dan
Ian Holloway
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Post by dan on Aug 6, 2015 1:48:03 GMT
I once was a pretty good athlete. Ah the good ole days.....
That being said, athletes never want to sit on the side lines. It's against their wiring. I hated when I was not out there, no matter the reason. Everyone I knew was exactly the same. Sure there are some premadonas out there, but Charlie does not strike me as one at all.
Later, as a coach, my # 1 goal was to win. To do that, you go with your studs. Even if they have a slight knock.
If he is here/there is no serious offer on the table, he plays.
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