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Post by Macmoish on Jul 6, 2015 13:47:01 GMT
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Post by sharky on Jul 6, 2015 13:57:07 GMT
I worry about our over reliance of youth so hadn't thought about the fact that we haven't been able to attract proven "new quality players".
Hopefully we can keep some of our current quality players.
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Post by paulmason on Jul 6, 2015 14:57:52 GMT
I have been saying that since he was given the job last season.
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Post by superckat on Jul 6, 2015 15:41:19 GMT
With all due respect, Rodney Marsh isn't known for knowing what he's talking about.
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Post by paulmason on Jul 6, 2015 15:50:56 GMT
With all due respect, Rodney Marsh isn't known for knowing what he's talking about. That is true, I think he is a knob. I blame him for us being in the wilderness for 16 years, when he sat in the stand that night which made Gerry Francis resign. If you look at who has signed so far, on this point he is correct.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 6, 2015 16:23:09 GMT
With all due respect, Rodney Marsh isn't known for knowing what he's talking about. That is true, I think he is a knob. I blame him for us being in the wilderness for 16 years, when he sat in the stand that night which made Gerry Francis resign. If you look at who has signed so far, on this point he is correct. Totally with you on that, amazing player but absolute bell*nd really.
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Post by nomar on Jul 6, 2015 16:51:23 GMT
Meh.
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Post by Roller on Jul 7, 2015 5:46:12 GMT
It is more a case of not being able to afford “new quality players” , or at least proven ones anyway, but let’s face it that approach has got us relegated twice in the last four season and a massive debt. Marsh is completely wrong, QPR have re-found their way.
Out of interest which “new quality players” have we failed to attract? Unsubstantiated rumours in newspapers or floating on twitter do not prove genuine interest on our part, it is far more likely to be the player’s agent agitating for a move for their client.
Where we are talking to players, several will be sounded out for every position; we are not trying to sign all of them, just the one who is the best fit.
As ever, we will all, myself included, continue to believe the reports that best suit our own agendas.
And whilst I’d agree he is a complete bell*nd, did Marsh offer himself the job of Chief Executive?
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 7, 2015 6:09:04 GMT
I think we'll be better able to assess in a few more weeks (re bringing in players)
I think there is a difference between not buying aging Premier League Dreck...And not having money to sign players. Thus far: Transfer fees spent 4-5 millions
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Post by paulmason on Jul 7, 2015 7:25:53 GMT
I think we'll be better able to assess in a few more weeks (re bringing in players) I think there is a difference between not buying aging Premier League Dreck...And not having money to sign players. Thus far: Transfer fees spent 4-5 millions I said months ago, with Ramsey and Ferdinand in charge, we will be running with youth players, players from lower leagues, with a few cheap additions for various reasons and was laughed at. Now, with every day passing by and interview given, it is becoming crystal clear that we will be a mixture of Fulham (policy of playing youth), Wigan (poor management) and Blackpool (Not enough good players). I will be there week in week out as usual, but after seeing a change in tone on posts on this MB and others, I have a feeling, this is not going the way some people thought it would and they are now coming to terms it could be a struggle. Ramsey said he wanted the deals done before pre season started, and we are still 6 players lighter than we were last season, with between 4 and 6 players maybe leaving.
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Post by nomar on Jul 7, 2015 8:19:26 GMT
I don't have a problem with our transfer policy so far. Looking forward to seeing the 2 Swindon boys play.
Which big name players you want to see us going for, paulmason?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 7, 2015 8:23:03 GMT
I've never believed anything other than this season will be all about consolidating a place in the Championship. The approach we're making is the approach we should have tried years ago. We're buying players who will give their all and have time to be moulded by Les and Ramsey who specialise in just that, as we've already seen with Phillips.
Our transfer window so far is very exciting for those who want this fresh approach
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Post by sharky on Jul 7, 2015 11:13:18 GMT
All of you who are saying we need to have this clear out of players and replace them with unproven at this level youth I don't want your winging in December when we're in the relegation zone and others are baying for their scalps!
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Post by Marc on Jul 7, 2015 11:35:43 GMT
All of you who are saying we need to have this clear out of players and replace them with unproven at this level youth I don't want your winging in December when we're in the relegation zone and others are baying for their scalps! I don't see anybody saying that.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 7, 2015 13:46:25 GMT
That the club are getting rid of the deadwood that were/are in it for the money, good on them. Don't under estimate some of the signings. This Aussie boy is good, very good. Don't judge him on Ned Zelic or Nick Ward. There is still a bit of dead wood to go too but the good news is is that the club are at long last not giving away prized assets like Austin and Phillips and Fer. They are making others to having to pay market rates and good on them for doing that. Now we need a couple of 26ish year olds to give a level of maturity and experience. I feel better about this season than last season.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jul 7, 2015 13:52:29 GMT
Fact is when you have been bouncing around between the championship and prem nothing is going to be settled. No way were we going to have all our signings in place before pre season. We still have Austin, Fer, Sandro, Philips, Caulker, Onuaha, Green etc on our books (plenty of quality). Maybe a case of getting the money in the door first. Far to early to judge who we will get. People bang on far to much about "quality" players. Who are they, how much do they cost?. I expect rangers to be challenging for the playoffs. Ps ROD IS A GOD
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Post by paulmason on Jul 7, 2015 15:37:33 GMT
Fact is when you have been bouncing around between the championship and prem nothing is going to be settled. No way were we going to have all our signings in place before pre season. We still have Austin, Fer, Sandro, Philips, Caulker, Onuaha, Green etc on our books (plenty of quality). Maybe a case of getting the money in the door first. Far to early to judge who we will get. People bang on far to much about "quality" players. Who are they, how much do they cost?. I expect rangers to be challenging for the playoffs. Ps ROD IS A GOD IMO, there is no way in gods green earth, the players in this montage, will get near the playoffs. www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/photos-gallery-qpr-pre-season-training-2531320.aspxAlso, more to the point, I cant see many experienced 26 year old's as Lonegunmen says, looking at this motley crew and deciding W12 is for him, especially if he has other offers.
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Post by nomar on Jul 7, 2015 15:38:41 GMT
Most of QPR's recent problems have stemmed from thinking that simply just having quality players would bring success.
I said last season that teams with good players and stable dressing rooms will always overcome teams with better talent and fractured clubhouses.
I'd rather have lesser players who care enough to track back and defend, attack in numbers and are fit enough to concentrate for 90 minutes plus injury time than have quality players who think they're above doing any of those fundamental basics.
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Post by nomar on Jul 7, 2015 15:41:15 GMT
Fact is when you have been bouncing around between the championship and prem nothing is going to be settled. No way were we going to have all our signings in place before pre season. We still have Austin, Fer, Sandro, Philips, Caulker, Onuaha, Green etc on our books (plenty of quality). Maybe a case of getting the money in the door first. Far to early to judge who we will get. People bang on far to much about "quality" players. Who are they, how much do they cost?. I expect rangers to be challenging for the playoffs. Ps ROD IS A GOD IMO, there is no way in gods green earth, the players in this montage, will get near the playoffs. www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/photos-gallery-qpr-pre-season-training-2531320.aspxAlso, more to the point, I cant see many experienced 26 year old's as Lonegunmen says, looking at this motley crew and deciding W12 is for him, especially if he has other offers. Fair enough. So who have we missed out on that we desperately needed to have signed to have any chance of staying up?
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Post by paulmason on Jul 7, 2015 15:57:19 GMT
Nomar, its not one person, I just think we will have a shocking season, based on who is running the team and the policies they are implementing.
I predicted ages we would be a mix of Fulham, Wigan and Blackpool this season and others think we will be challenging for the playoffs.
I really hope after the first three games, you and others will be telling me how wrong I was, as we are sitting pretty with 9 points.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 7, 2015 17:04:28 GMT
Certainly a season of consolidation. I don't think we will spiral down like Wigan but I can't see us bouncing back up either. I would like to see a competitive team that doesn't give up. Possibly finishing around 9th or 10th.
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Post by corndog on Jul 7, 2015 17:52:22 GMT
I agree, LGM, this seems like a team that should finish around mid-table. If you look at most teams in the Championship, they have a lot of youth and usually a few hardworking veterans for leadership. This team seems to fit that bill.
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Post by rousdonhoop on Jul 7, 2015 19:44:21 GMT
quietly confident, mid to top half of the table, but playing fast, attractive football. This time next year we will still be a Championship side, but we will know how good Ramsey is and whether Les is heading the club in the right direction
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 7, 2015 19:59:51 GMT
Nomar, its not one person, I just think we will have a shocking season, based on who is running the team and the policies they are implementing. I predicted ages we would be a mix of Fulham, Wigan and Blackpool this season and others think we will be challenging for the playoffs. I really hope after the first three games, you and others will be telling me how wrong I was, as we are sitting pretty with 9 points. Purely out of interest, could you name some players you think we should be going after and what kind of policies would you implement ?
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Post by paulmason on Jul 7, 2015 20:15:49 GMT
One thing is for sure, I would have Ferdinand and Ramsey doing what the do best and that's the U21's. I would have neither of them responsible for the first team.
Lets see how the season pans out. You seem to think it is going to be OK, I don't, as we have the least experienced management team (Ferdinand, Ramsey and Allen) in the Championship.
Also, my biggest fear is the following Fulham had a policy of playing U21's and nearly got relegated. Wigan had a shocking season management wise and got relegated. Blackpool did not have enough quality players to be competitive.
Tell me how we differ from the three above?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 7, 2015 20:34:08 GMT
One thing is for sure, I would have Ferdinand and Ramsey doing what the do best and that's the U21's. I would have neither of them responsible for the first team. Lets see how the season pans out. You seem to think it is going to be OK, I don't, as we have the least experienced management team in the Championship. You failed to answer my question really which is disappointing as I was genuinely intrigued. I asked which players you would go for and what kind of approach you would want to see made in regards to recruitment? Lastly, Ramsey and Les both have far more experience with coaching than your favourite Paul Warburton did and I would say Brentford did pretty well, funnily enough with a squad of similar players to the ones we've been signing
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Post by paulmason on Jul 7, 2015 20:37:24 GMT
One thing is for sure, I would have Ferdinand and Ramsey doing what the do best and that's the U21's. I would have neither of them responsible for the first team. Lets see how the season pans out. You seem to think it is going to be OK, I don't, as we have the least experienced management team in the Championship. You failed to answer my question really which is disappointing as I was genuinely intrigued. I asked which players you would go for and what kind of approach you would want to see made in regards to recruitment? Lastly, R amsey and Les both have far more experience with coaching than your favourite Paul Warburton did and I would say Brentford did pretty well, funnily enough with a squad of similar players to the ones we've been signing Well I look forward to you I told you so post at some stage next season.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 7, 2015 20:38:29 GMT
As for Blackpool, they had 7 players going into the season and have literally no money so we're very very different to them, we could actually field an XI with a full bench and still compete relatively well even if you exclude Phillips, Austin and Fer.
Fulham went too far over to the youth side, Ramsey has already said on numerous occasions that this coming season won't be a crusade to play as many youth players as possible but they will get their chance.
As for Wigan, they lost the manager who had shaped them for years to Everton so had to completely restart, they also have very limited funds and poor support
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Post by harr on Jul 7, 2015 21:05:38 GMT
Well the 6 players bought in 2013 summer and barton back that year all performed well throughout the season. Charlie, Phillips , Simpson, O'Neil, Dunne , Henry all played a great part in our winning the League . Credit for Harry for getting those guys in the door at a cost of about 10 Million I guess?
Unless we get a bit if quality in we are going nowhere. Charlie, Phillips , Fer , Sandro , Caulker and McCarthy might all go .
We cant replace these with all kids and freebies. Going to need a bit of quality in there and experience .
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Post by nomar on Jul 7, 2015 22:41:10 GMT
Nomar, its not one person, I just think we will have a shocking season, based on who is running the team and the policies they are implementing. I predicted ages we would be a mix of Fulham, Wigan and Blackpool this season and others think we will be challenging for the playoffs. I really hope after the first three games, you and others will be telling me how wrong I was, as we are sitting pretty with 9 points. Who knows? The Championship is a hard division to predict. I mean, how many of the 'experts' and pundits sat down just before last season started and predicted that Bournemouth would be champions? Of last years 4 playoff teams none of them made it back to the show this time round. Us, understandably, couldn't be there as we were too busy stuffing up the Premier League. Derby, everyone's pre season favourites to go up as Champions, bottled it in the home stretch and were booking golf courses when the playoffs started. Brighton battled relegation for most of the season and Wigan went went one better (or worse depending on your viewpoint) and actually did go down. I can't predict the future and I certainly have no idea who will be good this season and who won't in what will likely be another tight and tense championship season. This ragtag bunch of no names might end up being one of the best teams in the league. Or, as you suspect, they might be the worst. Ramsey might actually prove to be the best manager we've had since Venables, or the worst since Stewart Houston. I have no idea how it will pan out, mainly because what we're dealing with is a lot of unknowns. But thats the reason why we watch sport, because most times, unlike when we watch a film or listen to a song, we genuinely don't know whats going to happen next. I can't give you any guarantees except that whatever happens I think the 11 men who put QPR shirts on this season will give everything for the cause. After what we've seen the last few seasons that's a pretty damned good place to start for me.
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