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Post by harr on May 25, 2015 17:24:46 GMT
Another possible person we might have considered, like Sam A and orobably overs over the next week. Oh no give it to Ramsey a week before season finishes, madness, shortsightedness Didnt think finishing 3rd and 8 th was to bad in that League really in two seasons. I know the last 10 games of the season was poor and that probably cost him. If tou think though, even this season they got about 77 points. 8 times out of 10 that gets you in the play offs . Stoke got promoted on 79 pts in 2nd few yrs back . So how bad was 77 points after a season finishing 3rd. Crazy . www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32878657
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Post by londonranger on May 25, 2015 17:28:06 GMT
Harr, I don't think Sir Alex, could have kept this accumulation of too slow footed millionaires up.
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Post by harr on May 25, 2015 17:33:55 GMT
Harr, I don't think Sir Alex, could have kept this accumulation of two slow footed millionaires up. You might hqve been surprised London. I am adamant if Tony had the balls to do it November we would still have been in the Prem League if he appointed Pulis or someone similar. To often QPR FC pandas to the needs of the players . They like that way of training. They like that particular coach . How about this is how you are going to train and this is going to be your coach.
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Post by nomar on May 25, 2015 17:36:20 GMT
Its done now anyway.
No point looking at all these other managers available as we aren't going to get them, so lets just concentrate on who we have got and the rebuild they have to now undertake.
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Post by londonranger on May 25, 2015 17:48:10 GMT
Well, really, nobody knows. But for my own info, what the heck, became of the two Chileans? I didn't think they were that bad.
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Post by nomar on May 25, 2015 17:48:31 GMT
Harr, I don't think Sir Alex, could have kept this accumulation of two slow footed millionaires up. You might hqve been surprised London. I am adamant if Tony had the balls to do it November we would still have been in the Prem League if he appointed Pulis or someone similar. To often QPR FC pandas to the needs of the players . They like that way of training. They like that particular coach . How about this is how you are going to train and this is going to be your coach. Redknapp sold our only recognised right back because he decided that he wanted to play 3 ancient sloths at the back. Our defence was a leaky ship right from the start, but instead of addressing his error in the January window he was constantly banging on about needing another striker. When he decided to go back to a 4 man defence he played a right winger at right back, who clearly looked lost and bewildered at the new role he was asked to perform. There was a chronic lack of pace at the back, up front and in midfield. In my opinion the defence always was the problem. The premier league is no place for creaky 35 year old centre backs with dodgy knees. That we had to rely on Dunne, Hill and Ferdinand for various points of the season pretty much sums up for me why the club went down with the worst defensive record in the league. In the history of the Premier League I don't think I've seen a more inept defence than ours. Maybe Pulis would have stopped the rot, but the one thing you can't coach is pace and we never had it. How Pulis would have papered over that crack I'm not sure. Maybe play 8 at the back?
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Post by Dufster on May 25, 2015 17:56:49 GMT
You might hqve been surprised London. I am adamant if Tony had the balls to do it November we would still have been in the Prem League if he appointed Pulis or someone similar. To often QPR FC pandas to the needs of the players . They like that way of training. They like that particular coach . How about this is how you are going to train and this is going to be your coach. Redknapp sold our only recognised right back because he decided that he wanted to play 3 ancient sloths at the back. Our defence was a leaky ship right from the start, but instead of addressing his error in the January window he was constantly banging on about needing another striker. When he decided to go back to a 4 man defence he played a right winger at right back, who clearly looked lost and bewildered at the new role he was asked to perform. There was a chronic lack of pace at the back, up front and in midfield. In my opinion the defence always was the problem. The premier league is no place for creaky 35 year old centre backs with dodgy knees. That we had to rely on Dunne, Hill and Ferdinand for various points of the season pretty much sums up for me why the club went down with the worst defensive record in the league. In the history of the Premier League I don't think I've seen a more inept defence than ours. Maybe Pulis would have stopped the rot, but the one thing you can't coach is pace and we never had it. How Pulis would have papered over that crack I'm not sure. Maybe play 8 at the back? We would never have got Pulis...no way he would work under Ferdinand!
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Post by paulmason on May 25, 2015 18:07:23 GMT
No one would work with Ferdinand, that's why Ramsey got the job.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 25, 2015 18:12:20 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant
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Post by nomar on May 25, 2015 18:27:18 GMT
Redknapp sold our only recognised right back because he decided that he wanted to play 3 ancient sloths at the back. Our defence was a leaky ship right from the start, but instead of addressing his error in the January window he was constantly banging on about needing another striker. When he decided to go back to a 4 man defence he played a right winger at right back, who clearly looked lost and bewildered at the new role he was asked to perform. There was a chronic lack of pace at the back, up front and in midfield. In my opinion the defence always was the problem. The premier league is no place for creaky 35 year old centre backs with dodgy knees. That we had to rely on Dunne, Hill and Ferdinand for various points of the season pretty much sums up for me why the club went down with the worst defensive record in the league. In the history of the Premier League I don't think I've seen a more inept defence than ours. Maybe Pulis would have stopped the rot, but the one thing you can't coach is pace and we never had it. How Pulis would have papered over that crack I'm not sure. Maybe play 8 at the back? We would never have got Pulis...no way he would work under Ferdinand! I don't think he'd have come to us even without Ferdinand, to be honest with you. Having seen Hughes and Redknapp fail I doubt he'd have felt confident taking the job on.
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Post by Dufster on May 25, 2015 18:38:02 GMT
We would never have got Pulis...no way he would work under Ferdinand! I don't think he'd have come to us even without Ferdinand, to be honest with you. Having seen Hughes and Redknapp fail I doubt he'd have felt confident taking the job on. I think your absolutely right Nomar....people are deluding themselves if they believe we had a chance to get him! He would run a mile....he didn't need our basket case, he waited and took up a far better position at a well run club that carries no debt and has a strong long term future!
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Post by harr on May 25, 2015 19:03:00 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant I cant agree with that statement Rory Derby are absolutely deluded if they can get anyone better. He achieved nearly 90 points and 77 points in two seasons of the Championship . He managed 94 games won 51 drew 22 and lost 21 with a win % of 54 % in a very tough League And an overall career win % of 46% I can assure you something, Ramsey wont get anywhere near that record.
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Post by FloridaR on May 25, 2015 19:05:15 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant So do you reckon McClaren would be good as Coach Ramseys assistant ?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 25, 2015 19:05:16 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant I cant agree with that statement Rory Derby are absolutely deluded if they can get anyone better. He achieved nearly 90 points and 77 points in two seasons of the Championship . He managed 94 games won 51 drew 22 and lost 21 with a win % of 54 % in a very tough League And an overall career win % of 46% I can assure you something, Ramsey wont get anywhere near that record. Impressive win ratio indeed but tell me this, what do Derby have to show for it? When it came down to it his team bottled it twice
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 25, 2015 19:05:58 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant So do you reckon McClaren would be good as Coach Ramseys assistant ? I don't think McClaren would want to settle for assistant anywhere now
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Post by FloridaR on May 25, 2015 19:06:15 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant I cant agree with that statement Rory Derby are absolutely deluded if they can get anyone better. He achieved nearly 90 points and 77 points in two seasons of the Championship . He managed 94 games won 51 drew 22 and lost 21 with a win % of 54 % in a very tough League And an overall career win % of 46% I can assure you something, Ramsey wont get anywhere near that record. Now that are some stats.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 19:08:37 GMT
Just rubbing salt in the wounds now , would've taken McLaren or Allardyce but no we've got a guy and a director of football ( so far out of their depth its untrue !!
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Post by FloridaR on May 25, 2015 19:37:21 GMT
McClarens the best guy for QPR and missed him by a week cause Tone hasn't got used to when a season ends and what happens at season end at Clubs around the UK. McClaren - Manager of at least 6 clubs including assistant at QPR, was England Manager with Terry Venables as his assistant, stats as posted by Harr prove he's a top notch guy.
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Post by Macmoish on May 25, 2015 20:28:56 GMT
Not a question of "Missing" him...Fernandes, FErdinand et al - KNEW there were lots of managers out there - and more would be coming. They didnt want this
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Post by paulmason on May 25, 2015 20:38:11 GMT
Not a question of "Missing" him...Fernandes, FErdinand et al - KNEW there were lots of managers out there - and more would be coming. They didnt want this A real manager would have wanted money to spend on transfers. That is why none were asked and the job given to Ramsey.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 26, 2015 6:26:49 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant Sack Bond, Get McLaren = fans happy.
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Post by paulmason on May 26, 2015 7:05:34 GMT
Nah McClaren is better as an assistant Sack Bond, Get McLaren = fans happy. It is hilarious that anyone would suggest Steve McLaren would even consider working as a No 2, reporting to Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
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Post by nomar on May 26, 2015 12:15:56 GMT
Not a question of "Missing" him...Fernandes, FErdinand et al - KNEW there were lots of managers out there - and more would be coming. They didnt want this A real manager would have wanted money to spend on transfers. That is why none were asked and the job given to Ramsey. There will be money to spend but it won't be on the ridiculous and unsustainable levels of our previous profligacy. It does seem strange to me that you appear to want the club to make all the decisions that have gotten us into this mess in the first place all over again. You seem to want the big name manager who can attract the big name players so that we can play in the big boys league. The same thinking Fernandes had 4 years ago. Look where that got us.
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Post by paulmason on May 26, 2015 12:26:11 GMT
A real manager would have wanted money to spend on transfers. That is why none were asked and the job given to Ramsey. There will be money to spend but it won't be on the ridiculous and unsustainable levels of our previous profligacy. It does seem strange to me that you appear to want the club to make all the decisions that have gotten us into this mess in the first place all over again. You seem to want the big name manager who can attract the big name players so that we can play in the big boys league. The same thinking Fernandes had 4 years ago. Look where that got us. Really, the only Manager I have said I would like to have was Warburton! Is he a big name? Is he expensive? Did he spend Billions at Brentford? How do you know there will be money to spend? Did Tony tell you there is? I posted my thoughts as to why we have a coach and not a manager, that is all. If you read the response in reply to the question, you would have seen that. If you had added the part i replied too, people would see your post was a waste of time and simply out to have a pathetic dig. We will have virtually no money to spend on players. The ones will will get will not be the finished article and that is why we have Ramsey and not a manager. I dont have a problem with that, but they should tell people before they part with their cash. We will be a mixture of Blackpool, Wigan and Fulham next season.
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Post by harr on May 26, 2015 12:29:03 GMT
I dont think we spent massive money in the Championship last time though did we? I guess we never had as many bodies go then. I know we spent 4 Million on Charlie.
Once we know who is being releeased, did I hear thats this week? We can see how many we released June 2013 and how much we spent that window. Would be interesting to know to compare against what we do this time ?
When can we expect FFP to be resolved?
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Post by nomar on May 26, 2015 12:53:38 GMT
There will be money to spend but it won't be on the ridiculous and unsustainable levels of our previous profligacy. It does seem strange to me that you appear to want the club to make all the decisions that have gotten us into this mess in the first place all over again. You seem to want the big name manager who can attract the big name players so that we can play in the big boys league. The same thinking Fernandes had 4 years ago. Look where that got us. Really, the only Manager I have said I would like to have was Warburton! Is he a big name? Is he expensive? Did he spend Billions at Brentford? How do you know there will be money to spend? Did Tony tell you there is? I posted my thoughts as to why we have a coach and not a manager, that is all. If you read the response in reply to the question, you would have seen that. If you had added the part i replied too, people would see your post was a waste of time and simply out to have a pathetic dig. We will have virtually no money to spend on players. The ones will will get will not be the finished article and that is why we have Ramsey and not a manager. I dont have a problem with that, but they should tell people before they part with their cash. We will be a mixture of Blackpool, Wigan and Fulham next season. You've pretty much doomed our campaign before its started. Not once in your posts have I seen you acknowledge the problems QPR have and that the club, righy or wrongly, appear to be trying to rectify them. All you've done is moan about Ramsey and pined for Warburton (and I'm sure there were others too). This is getting boring now but all some of us are saying is that maybe its an idea to wait and see what Les and Ramsey do next before declaring the coming season a write off. You don't want to do that then fine, carry on whining and pining, thats your right and privilege. I've said all I want to say on this now.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 26, 2015 13:33:35 GMT
There will be money to spend but it won't be on the ridiculous and unsustainable levels of our previous profligacy. It does seem strange to me that you appear to want the club to make all the decisions that have gotten us into this mess in the first place all over again. You seem to want the big name manager who can attract the big name players so that we can play in the big boys league. The same thinking Fernandes had 4 years ago. Look where that got us. Really, the only Manager I have said I would like to have was Warburton! Is he a big name? Is he expensive? Did he spend Billions at Brentford? How do you know there will be money to spend? Did Tony tell you there is? I posted my thoughts as to why we have a coach and not a manager, that is all. If you read the response in reply to the question, you would have seen that. If you had added the part i replied too, people would see your post was a waste of time and simply out to have a pathetic dig. We will have virtually no money to spend on players. The ones will will get will not be the finished article and that is why we have Ramsey and not a manager. I dont have a problem with that, but they should tell people before they part with their cash. We will be a mixture of Blackpool, Wigan and Fulham next season. That's why we've already bid ยฃ3m for a young promising pair of midfielders from Swindon right?
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Post by paulmason on May 26, 2015 13:58:31 GMT
This is my point with you. I say something and you feel the need to jump all over it because you read something in the newspaper or online.
Its my opinion and you don't need to agree with it.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 26, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
This is my point with you. I say something and you feel the need to jump all over it because you read something in the newspaper or online. Its my opinion and you don't need to agree with it. Exactly, I disagreed with it and provided evidence for why I disagreed with it, that's the beauty of online forums
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 26, 2015 20:30:25 GMT
Swindon want 4 million allegedly.
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