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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 24, 2015 10:54:27 GMT
There are rumours, and I stress that this is just a rumour, that Bond was only trusted by Harry to put the cones out in training and he doesn't really do much else
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Post by Macmoish on May 24, 2015 11:02:01 GMT
Of course Bond was at Tottenham, and that seems to be a good QPR employment credential these days!
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Post by harr on May 24, 2015 11:16:25 GMT
Lets hope his daughter on twitter doesnt see this thread
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Post by timewaster on May 24, 2015 11:44:36 GMT
Maybe he gets by on his dads reputation as a top coach
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Post by paulmason on May 24, 2015 12:03:24 GMT
It's quite sad reading some comments on here, saying just get rid of him regardless. He might still be here because he ia good coach.
I hope those saying get rid, loose their job for no reason apart from someone thinking they were no good.
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 12:30:06 GMT
Kevin is guilty by association. He was brought in by Harry and I believe it is rational to question his capability when he was a contributing part of a coaching team that was perceived as failing. If Ramsey sees him as offering something then he can retain him if he wants to. It is quite regular that an entire coaching team is swept away so there is no need to to justify an opinion that Bond should have gone as well . It's not as if his future depends on this thread. You do realise that guilt by association isn't a valid method of judging people. I've worked with many useless people who've got the sack. By your logic, I should have been sacked with them.
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Post by timewaster on May 24, 2015 12:34:43 GMT
There are rumours, and I stress that this is just a rumour, that Bond was only trusted by Harry to put the cones out in training and he doesn't really do much else In that case, I have a better idea
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 13:25:52 GMT
If your'e judged by performance like many people are in their jobs maybe he should go !
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Post by blatantfowl on May 24, 2015 18:29:45 GMT
You do realise that guilt by association isn't a valid method of judging people. I've worked with many useless people who've got the sack. By your logic, I should have been sacked with them. It is a figure of speech I am using to get you to understand why KB might be viewed dimly. But I think you know that really.
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Post by harr on May 24, 2015 18:44:49 GMT
It's quite sad reading some comments on here, saying just get rid of him regardless. He might still be here because he ia good coach. I hope those saying get rid, loose their job for no reason apart from someone thinking they were no good. If I didnt achieve at work I would expect to lose my job. Bond with Harry, Hoodle and Jordan were part of a coaching team that got no single point in 11 consecutive away games. A record so bad you have to go back 50 plus years to beat it. If we was such a good coach would we have that record to our name .
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 24, 2015 19:24:06 GMT
Guilt by assosciation? An important part of Harrys team which with him still there is just as bad as ever. Where is the problem of sacking a non performer? This is just part of football. I might be a decent coach, you dont know me. I might also be crap, only one way to find out.
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 19:49:52 GMT
Guilt by assosciation? An important part of Harrys team which with him still there is just as bad as ever. Where is the problem of sacking a non performer? This is just part of football. I might be a decent coach, you dont know me. I might also be crap, only one way to find out. Because you don't know he was a non performer. Actually, I give up, say whatever you like. Don't bother finding out any facts, just make assumptions. As long as people are being slagged off, doesn't matter does it?
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 24, 2015 22:04:04 GMT
Bye. You nicely dodged not giving your own opinion abiut him though.
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 22:07:57 GMT
Bye. You nicely dodged not giving your own opinion abiut him though. I already answered that one but, just for you, I'll repeat it. I don't know one way or another so how can I give an opinion? To attempt to do so would actually be assumption, not opinion. And I'm not going anywhere
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 25, 2015 5:21:40 GMT
So your opinion is that you dont have one? Ok. I think they call it a neutral sitting on the fence. As for your not going anywhere, you said you were. Feel free to stay and offer views or opinions on anything.
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Post by Marc on May 25, 2015 7:59:39 GMT
So your opinion is that you dont have one? Ok. I think they call it a neutral sitting on the fence. As for your not going anywhere, you said you were. Feel free to stay and offer views or opinions on anything. Christ almighty, no-one here has given an opinion. It's all assumption and guesswork at best! And please tell me where I've said I was going anywhere.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 25, 2015 8:17:50 GMT
You said "I give up" so I thought you had but you haven't given up at all.
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Post by Marc on May 25, 2015 8:42:40 GMT
You said "I give up" so I thought you had but you haven't given up at all. And there are the assumptions again.
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Post by superckat on May 25, 2015 9:56:32 GMT
Back for another comment as it's still going
So let me get this right. Someone who doesn't know.is defending something he doesn't know. Against people he claims is making assumptions on things they don't know. Where he is only stating an opinion and not assumption, based on the same don't know logic.
However others have provided various reasons as to why their don't knows are a very considered possibility. But the only reasons offered against that is, they don't know.
So I guess in principle fabs wins this argument, because he has actually proved without doubt whatsoever that he really doesn't know more than the rest of us.
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Post by Marc on May 25, 2015 10:06:30 GMT
Back for another comment as it's still going So let me get this right. Someone who doesn't know.is defending something he doesn't know. Against people he claims is making assumptions on things they don't know. Where he is only stating an opinion and not assumption, based on the same don't know logic. However others have provided various reasons as to why their don't knows are a very considered possibility. But the only reasons offered against that is, they don't know. So I guess in principle fabs wins this argument, because he has actually proved without doubt whatsoever that he really doesn't know more than the rest of us. All I've tried to do is ascertain what people think Bond has actually done wrong (see my 1st post in this thread and the post it was responding to). It's one thing saying that something is a considered possibility but it's quite another to condemn someone on that basis, which is what a number of people are doing. If you have good reason to link poor performances to him specifically, then by all means judge him but to judge him based on supposition or assumption is wrong in any walk of life.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 25, 2015 13:55:27 GMT
Have to agree with Fabs... having an opinion on something you can know nothing about is pretty pointless.
I could offer an opinion that the next time I toss a coin it will be a 'heads'. If it actually comes up 'heads' does that mean my opinion was in any way clever or insightful?
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Post by harr on May 25, 2015 14:08:49 GMT
If we had no opinions this board would be tumbleweed city.
Did Redknapp and his crew do a good job this year NO
REDKNAPP, ,HODDLE , JORDAN all left there posts . BOND remained , does he do a good job? Nobody knows for sure but on the assumption the rest of the mottley crew were pretty useless, I'm hedging my bet towards BOND maybe should have gone at the same time. Start with a clean sheet.
If all the Coaches werent useless then the players maybe were .
Maybe the players Like Bond though . Give him a three year deal then .
Whatever the players like me must get for them . Yeah because they really put a shift in this season didnt they, Not.
I'm still trying the Coach out of the 50 Million whos task it was to get the defence into shape. Maybe we never had one, that explains that then.
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Post by londonranger on May 25, 2015 14:26:16 GMT
You see, I think you're all wrong. Kevin Bond wasn't our biggest problem. It was our circumferential thin light blue stripes, that did us in. We need those real QPR hoops. Dark blue and wide.
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Post by sharky on May 25, 2015 14:31:05 GMT
Did Bond do a good job? We came last so the answer is obviously NO.
Simple really NO. The results speak for themselves. I don't have to know what he was like around the squad or anything else. We came last so he didn't do a good job end of story IMO.
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Post by Marc on May 25, 2015 14:47:58 GMT
Did Bond do a good job? We came last so the answer is obviously NO. Simple really NO. The results speak for themselves. I don't have to know what he was like around the squad or anything else. We came last so he didn't do a good job end of story IMO. So we came last specifically because of Bond? Why isn't anyone calling for any other coaches's jobs? They were all coaching under Redknapp as well, weren't they?
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Post by sharky on May 25, 2015 14:52:04 GMT
Did Bond do a good job? We came last so the answer is obviously NO. Simple really NO. The results speak for themselves. I don't have to know what he was like around the squad or anything else. We came last so he didn't do a good job end of story IMO. So we came last specifically because of Bond? Why isn't anyone calling for any other coaches's jobs? They were all coaching under Redknapp as well, weren't they? We came last so the whole lot did a poor job Bond included not Bond only.
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Post by nomar on May 25, 2015 15:01:57 GMT
There are rumours, and I stress that this is just a rumour, that Bond was only trusted by Harry to put the cones out in training and he doesn't really do much else In that case, I have a better idea They wouldn't get any training done if she was putting out the cones.
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Post by Marc on May 25, 2015 15:03:38 GMT
So we came last specifically because of Bond? Why isn't anyone calling for any other coaches's jobs? They were all coaching under Redknapp as well, weren't they? We came last so the whole lot did a poor job Bond included not Bond only. So I ask again, why are people specifically calling for Bond's head?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 25, 2015 15:06:40 GMT
We came last so the whole lot did a poor job Bond included not Bond only. So I ask again, why are people specifically calling for Bond's head? In my personal view, I just want him gone to finally clear out the whole Redknapp group, he's the last clinger from that group. Just let Ramsey choose his own assistant, preferably someone with QPR ties. Said it before but Sean Derry would be perfect, he knows QPR, has coaching experience in the football league and is currently without a job.
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Post by Marc on May 25, 2015 15:11:54 GMT
So I ask again, why are people specifically calling for Bond's head? In my personal view, I just want him gone to finally clear out the whole Redknapp group, he's the last clinger from that group. Just let Ramsey choose his own assistant, preferably someone with QPR ties. Said it before but Sean Derry would be perfect, he knows QPR, has coaching experience in the football league and is currently without a job. Which is fair enough.
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