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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2015 13:02:13 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2015 13:04:21 GMT
And Yesterday... And Day Before
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2015 13:08:18 GMT
Just words Tony .... We got players ( not played in the right formations or the wrong ones on the pitch ) We got fight (12 consecutive away defeats suggests not Pal .)
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2015 13:10:03 GMT
And Yesterday... And Day Before The biggest Joke of the Middle tweet is NONE. of those three players started the game . It's pathetic
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2015 13:25:41 GMT
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2015 13:31:37 GMT
He should give it a rest , Twitter is going into meltdown, people are getting fed up with Redknapp and fed up with Fernandes backing him after poor performances.
19 points from 23 games after what we spent is poor end of.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2015 13:42:50 GMT
It's not even the backing of Redknapp that bothers me THAT much...I'm not sure it's right, but it could be right (or the least bad alternative). It's the content of the tweets....
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Post by sharky on Feb 1, 2015 14:46:54 GMT
This is Tony Fernandes. We're shitee, I'm shitee, the manager is shitee, the players are shitee, the fans are shitee. I'm out of here.
That make you all happy?!
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2015 15:31:40 GMT
Assuming TF wants to do a good job! what should he do?
The Ferdinand appointment seems a bit splitting of responsibility, leading to uncertainty. But if that's what want, responsibility has to be clear
Have a. CEO who knows about Football
A determination to do what he thinks is best for QPR. So while he has to care about QPR, can't just do what might be popular
Stand by what he says and explain if changes
Stop threatening to pick up his toys
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2015 16:28:18 GMT
Harry comes out week in week out we have no pace , has pace options but refuses to use them .
Our players in the main are good players they just need a leader to inject some belief into them and that's sadly not going to happen with the current set up we have ...
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Post by kilburnhoop on Feb 1, 2015 16:44:20 GMT
Good on you Tony, don't let the knockers get you down
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Post by ingham on Feb 1, 2015 17:20:42 GMT
We know what a winning football is like when we see it come to life in front of us.
But carving it out of the very limited raw material available to any Club is another matter. Look at the trouble big Clubs like Spurs and Everton have had, and even Arsenal, since Wenger's now distant heyday.
It is particularly difficult with managers. How many times, now, have we had threads asking 'if not the guy we've got at the moment, who?' And it isn't lack of know-how that makes it hard to work it out.
There are so many variables. Hughes is doing okay at Stoke. He has a decent reputation at Clubs of that status. But nothing astonishing. Pulis, yes, we can guess at what he does to turn Clubs round the way he does. Warnock too. Good in the second tier and below, like Holloway and, even more so, Harry Bassett of old.
Sometimes I think those reliable ones - the ones who are reliable at a modest level - don't really appeal to us. In a way, they're TOO reliable. We know just what they will do for us, and it is maybe a little TOO predictable. Take us up, struggle for a bit, then down. Pulis the same. We might stay up, but the very predictability suggests that insidious dissatisfaction that will arise when the Club does pretty well, really, but gets to a point where it simply doesn't - or can't - improve.
How many managers lose their job, not because they've gone badly, but because they're not doing 'better'. A couple of years in one position, okay. But now we've 'consolidated', lets get on to 'the next level'.
I think we're seduced by how easy it seems. And how natural the good times seem to be, simply because we want them.
We can't seem to see that a bad result is just as correct as a good result. That a bad manager tells us a lot about relying on managers. That spending the first half of the season building up players and managers who almost invariably let us down isn't necessarily an indication that anything is wrong with THEM. They're what they are, not what we would like them to be.
Why aren't we more professional, actually trying to understand why WE get it wrong so consistently, and taking a real interest in the BAD performances, not just the ones that give an impression that we're better than we are.
After all, we get enough practice. We spend season after season, especially after the half way mark, in a much more realistic frame of mind than we at the beginning.
Maybe our model of the Club shouldn't be 'could be great', but 'is usually crap'.
Becaue our problem is not that we can't see the future. We seem to see it crystal clear. It's that we can't understand the past. And maybe that is because we don't like the look of it, it is too near the knuckle. We can't tell ourselves 'we haven't a clue, and that hasn't changed'. With each mistake, we're finally learned our lesson, and now we'll get it right.
There is a daft assumption that if we study the downside seriously, it is tantamount to turning our back on the future. But until we face up to how bad we are, we can't improve, because any improvement must start from our present position.
We can approach the authorities and tell them 'we're better than this, we deserve more, we should be in mid-table, give us a few more points', but the reality is that we have to get out of the mire from the disadvantageous position we're in.
And the sad thing about our dreamworld is that even the idea that we are bad is an illusion. We are bad (by the standards of fantasy). But in the real world, we're better than every Club in England bar 18 or so. And vastly bigger than most, since there are thousands of football clubs, all but a few score tiny compared to QPR.
Naturally, our lords and masters prefer big talk about the future to working with the reality of what we are in the present. The reality of the last 40 years is that they don't know how to do it. But they are businessmen, whose reality is advertising, PR and hype, so they know how to say it, and they keep on saying it no matter how remote from reality it is.
Because there's always next season, always another manager, always another reason to keep the faith. So far we've been big enough to hang on in the top 3 tiers, and usually the top 2.
It is a starting point. But the long haul it might involve scares them off, as it has been doing for 40 years. We couldn't build QPR slowly, because we just can't wait to get back up there and show what we can do.
The absurdity being that waiting is all we've been doing for decades. Big spending hasn't worked, manager after manager hasn't worked, millionaires turning into billionaires hasn't worked. Endless stadium projects to transform us hasn't been complemented by endless talent which would be the short cut to everything we might desire.
Even if we recognised the need to build the house from the bottom up, it would become just another slogan, another tweet, another project, that would founder as soon as we hit the level of consistency we've been achieving almost without fail for donkey's years.
The next losing run. So familiar, and yet we still can't cope.
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Post by FloridaR on Feb 1, 2015 18:01:42 GMT
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Post by nadera78 on Feb 1, 2015 19:23:41 GMT
Using Les Ferdidand as a shield is probably a new low for Mr Fernandes.
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Post by Hogan on Feb 1, 2015 19:35:02 GMT
If Tony wants to do a good job? Firstly, write the debt off and show some balls.
Appoint a new CEO who understands football and how to run a football club.
Stop the PR spin, it is rather irritating having to listen to it over and over, lessons learnt? Really Tone?
Appoint a good youngish manager in the summer, who knows the lower leagues and good young players, forget the big names, it might suit Air Asia it doesn't suit QPR, not right now anyway.
Start with those Tone, and I am sure we can help you out with what comes after when the time comes. If you get the aforementioned right we wont need to though.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2015 20:34:03 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 1, 2015 21:21:47 GMT
Harry comes out week in week out we have no pace , has pace options but refuses to use them . Our players in the main are good players they just need a leader to inject some belief into them and that's sadly not going to happen with the current set up we have ... No pace and he is the one signing guys like Rio Ferdinand. Look in the mirror Harry, look in the mirror
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 1, 2015 22:21:53 GMT
Still wondering why McIntyre's word is taken as gospel....
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 2, 2015 9:32:30 GMT
True, for me, almost, I admit it!
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 2, 2015 9:32:56 GMT
If something intresting comes up we would look at it. But I'm not optimistic. Given the right motivation, tactics and coaching we can achieve much more.
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2015 9:47:47 GMT
Is TF starting to change his stance here or is it just me? He is tweeting more re the players are good enough, not motivated, not coached properly lines all of a sudden ?
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 2, 2015 10:09:14 GMT
Looks to me like he's (again) Preparing the ground: Not HIS fault if we go down...He provided the tools, but Redknapp didnt do the job.
I think this is not too dissimilar from TF Tweets in previous seasons, when said similar things about up to the players; up to the manager, etc etc...
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2015 10:17:38 GMT
All very weird . Struggling to get any players in at all. The one player we have wasted all our money on isn't fit and not being played by Redknapp. Absolute shambles as per normal. Meanwhile Leicester strengthening there defence with Huff. The one thing Redknapp used to have apart from much else was Player pulling power. I'm not even convinced he has that anymore apart from ex Spurs.
TF is just giving ammunition to people on Twitter coming out with our players just need being motivated, it's what the fans have been telling him since October, now he's saying it back them.... You had more than enough time to put all this right Tony . Lessons continually screwed up not learnt.
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Post by Bushman on Feb 2, 2015 10:25:16 GMT
Looks to me like he's (again) Preparing the ground: Not HIS fault if we go down...He provided the tools, but Redknapp didnt do the job. I think this is not too dissimilar from TF Tweets in previous seasons, when said similar things about up to the players; up to the manager, etc etc... All too familiar from the clueless one!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 2, 2015 10:26:46 GMT
Sorry to disagree with the TF witch hunt but he's spot on, this team is more than good enough to stay up. All they need is to be played in their proper positions and coached properly and you would see the form pick up immediately.
TF can certainly be blamed for how the club was under Hughes but he's tried his best to get rid of all the shocking players he brought in. Harry had been given money to bring in good young players and has ruined most of them.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 2, 2015 10:27:45 GMT
Except to promote TF, if he's backing Redknapp by not replacing him, he doesnt have to fund him; but at least don't undercut him publicly
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Post by FloridaR on Feb 2, 2015 10:59:01 GMT
Tony is it a fine or points deduction
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2015 11:06:29 GMT
Sorry to disagree with the TF witch hunt but he's spot on, this team is more than good enough to stay up. All they need is to be played in their proper positions and coached properly and you would see the form pick up immediately. TF can certainly be blamed for how the club was under Hughes but he's tried his best to get rid of all the shocking players he brought in. Harry had been given money to bring in good young players and has ruined most of them. I'm not sure it's a witch hunt Rory. Everybody could see the problems weeks ago re the coaching . Surely tweeting like this is just going to fire up most Fans as they could see this themselves weeks ago. Tonys a pretty decent guy, he's just been suckered into listening and believing most of the things Harry has told him. Sadly I think you will see more of this over future weeks due to the position we are in the table and the fixtures ahead of us. We was in bit of a false position in December due to a nice run of home games we had and fair enough we did win win most of them, credit to Redknapp for that bit. The away form is taking us down though unless we get 2-3 wins at Hull,Sunderland,WBA , Palace and Leicester . Which on paper is achievable but we are talking about a team that has been clueless away from home so maybe it's not, who knows. I blame most of this mess on all the coaches, that's not just Redknapp. The only thing I blame TF for is not acting, which was his call and although I admire his loyalty and wanting to keep stability think it was the wrong one ? But I guess we won't know until about April . I didn't see anything in the 25 games Harry mañaged us in 2012-13 to think he would be the right Manager for us in the Prem but obviously don't blame him for that relegation. He has backed by the board this year and so far after 23 games still don't see him as the right one . All I see is mundane, repetitivity, passionless, lethargic and tactically inept. I'm starting to think this wearing off on the players. I think over 3/4 of all QPR supporters worldwide would agree these coaches/players should have more than 19 points from 23 games.
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Post by steeleyranger on Feb 2, 2015 11:13:37 GMT
Sorry to disagree with the TF witch hunt but he's spot on, this team is more than good enough to stay up. All they need is to be played in their proper positions and coached properly and you would see the form pick up immediately. TF can certainly be blamed for how the club was under Hughes but he's tried his best to get rid of all the shocking players he brought in. Harry had been given money to bring in good young players and has ruined most of them. I agree Rory..I'm not blaming Tony-he has backed the manager and he bought in the 'right type' of players. That the players with potential have not developed into better players is purely down to the coaching staff. Hoillet and Phillips are both potentially very good wing players who were better at their previous clubs. To me too many players are not even playing in their preferred positions Isla is a wing back not a right back. Vargas is a striker not a wing player etc Fernandes cannot be blamed for the coaching/managerial team's decision to play players in the wrong positions or for the lack of development of promising young players. Personally I don't believe that another forward/winger is the priority it should be a defender and a central midfielder. 3/3 goals v Stoke were the result of 'midfielders' losing possession weren't they? Henry,Vargas,Barton(though a bit harsh?).
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2015 11:24:30 GMT
Sorry to disagree with the TF witch hunt but he's spot on, this team is more than good enough to stay up. All they need is to be played in their proper positions and coached properly and you would see the form pick up immediately. TF can certainly be blamed for how the club was under Hughes but he's tried his best to get rid of all the shocking players he brought in. Harry had been given money to bring in good young players and has ruined most of them. I agree Rory..I'm not blaming Tony-he has backed the manager and he bought in the 'right type' of players. That the players with potential have not developed into better players is purely down to the coaching staff. Hoillet and Phillips are both potentially very good wing players who were better at their previous clubs. To me too many players are not even playing in their preferred positions Isla is a wing back not a right back. Vargas is a striker not a wing player etc Fernandes cannot be blamed for the coaching/managerial team's decision to play players in the wrong positions or for the lack of development of promising young players. Personally I don't believe that another forward/winger is the priority it should be a defender and a central midfielder. 3/3 goals v Stoke were the result of 'midfielders' losing possession weren't they? Henry,Vargas,Barton(though a bit harsh?). Fernandes can't be blamed for any of that agree. He can be blamed for sticking with him. 9 games without a win October time , 7 games and counting now . Shambolic tactics at times. He allowed himself to get a bit to cosy with Harry. You need to keep a distance otherwise friendship can hinder important business decisions and you end up making incorrect ones. Loyalty is one thing, stupidity is another.
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