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Post by Macmoish on Jan 29, 2015 13:32:39 GMT
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Post by Hogan on Jan 29, 2015 13:38:05 GMT
If Mutch isn't good enough for QPR, Harry and co better have one hell of a replacement lined up!
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Post by nomar on Jan 29, 2015 14:08:47 GMT
If Mutch isn't good enough for QPR, Harry and co better have one hell of a replacement lined up! We are stacked with midfielders and I think Harry needs to sell one to get one in. (May as well get used to living by those FFP restrictions now!) Considering Mutch was injured and never really started anyway at least we got some money back for him as opposed to him sitting on a bench picking up his money every week. We have SWP to do that for us already.
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Post by Hogan on Jan 29, 2015 14:17:54 GMT
So where are the next generation of players who will help the future incoming players settle? At the end of this season so many players will be out of contract and leave the club whichever division we are in. They talk a good game, speak of stability and all of that and then do the total opposite. There will be no long term time served players remaining. Mutch never got a chance, either injured or not quite match ready, but its the good young players who we would expect to be this club for the next 5 or more years, no? I don't expect any of our better young players to be here next season, especially if get relegated.
I really despair and fear for our club.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 29, 2015 14:18:50 GMT
If Mutch isn't good enough for QPR, Harry and co better have one hell of a replacement lined up! I take it you have not seen him play this season then?. He has been shocking since day one.
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Post by Hogan on Jan 29, 2015 14:51:52 GMT
yes ive seen him play. He needed a run of games, hes been out injured or not match fit or somewhere in between.
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Post by FloridaR on Jan 29, 2015 15:01:11 GMT
Unfortunately this young guy was overshadowed by much more skill full players like Joey Barton and Karl Henry.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 29, 2015 16:17:32 GMT
Sick of the ridiculous overreactions over this.
1. Mutch has been awful in every single game he played for us, barely put in an effort and regularly ducked out of any physical battle or tackle
2. Was quite obviously signed with 3-5-2 in mind, a formation and game plan we've since dropped. Mutch is an attacking midfielder which isn't really a role we have in the current formation.
3. We can't afford passengers. You can say he's barely had a chance all you like but the fact is we need players who can make a difference now, this season, to keep us up. And before anyone says "what about SWP, surely he's a passenger too so why not get rid of him instead?", well good luck on finding anyone who is willing to buy him.
Yes I realise we should never have signed him in the first place and that was a mistake but the fact we've managed to claw back a majority of what we spent on him is actually quite impressive considering how poor he's looked. I can guarantee that if we had kept him and his limited run of chances continued there is no way we would have got £4.75m for him in the summer. He's probably fed up himself of not fitting into the current game plan (not there's much of a game plan under HR) and asked to leave. Keeping unhappy players in a relegation battle is stupid.
Now let's just see how this money is spent guys and gals. It doesn't matter how Mutch does at Palace, whether he flops or does well, he just wasn't a good fit for QPR.
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Post by harr on Jan 29, 2015 17:04:17 GMT
Sick of the ridiculous overreactions over this. 1. Mutch has been awful in every single game he played for us, barely put in an effort and regularly ducked out of any physical battle or tackle 2. Was quite obviously signed with 3-5-2 in mind, a formation and game plan we've since dropped. Mutch is an attacking midfielder which isn't really a role we have in the current formation. 3. We can't afford passengers. You can say he's barely had a chance all you like but the fact is we need players who can make a difference now, this season, to keep us up. And before anyone says "what about SWP, surely he's a passenger too so why not get rid of him instead?", well good luck on finding anyone who is willing to buy him. Yes I realise we should never have signed him in the first place and that was a mistake but the fact we've managed to claw back a majority of what we spent on him is actually quite impressive considering how poor he's looked. I can guarantee that if we had kept him and his limited run of chances continued there is no way we would have got £4.75m for him in the summer. He's probably fed up himself of not fitting into the current game plan (not there's much of a game plan under HR) and asked to leave. Keeping unhappy players in a relegation battle is stupid. Now let's just see how this money is spent guys and gals. It doesn't matter how Mutch does at Palace, whether he flops or does well, he just wasn't a good fit for QPR. (It doesn't matter how Mutch does at Palace) It does to me a bit Rory. A) If he helps to keep them up . I am fully aware we need to raise some cash though, so I guess it's beggars can't be choosers if nobody else comes in for them. B) Why did we buy him in the first place if he wasn't going to be a good fit? When was these game plans decided as they don't seem to be working away from home ? Maybe they could have fitted in better if the plans were better. (He wasn't a good fit for QPR) Do Hoillet and Phillips M come into that bracket or the coaches don't know how to coach them bracket ?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 29, 2015 17:16:05 GMT
Sick of the ridiculous overreactions over this. 1. Mutch has been awful in every single game he played for us, barely put in an effort and regularly ducked out of any physical battle or tackle 2. Was quite obviously signed with 3-5-2 in mind, a formation and game plan we've since dropped. Mutch is an attacking midfielder which isn't really a role we have in the current formation. 3. We can't afford passengers. You can say he's barely had a chance all you like but the fact is we need players who can make a difference now, this season, to keep us up. And before anyone says "what about SWP, surely he's a passenger too so why not get rid of him instead?", well good luck on finding anyone who is willing to buy him. Yes I realise we should never have signed him in the first place and that was a mistake but the fact we've managed to claw back a majority of what we spent on him is actually quite impressive considering how poor he's looked. I can guarantee that if we had kept him and his limited run of chances continued there is no way we would have got £4.75m for him in the summer. He's probably fed up himself of not fitting into the current game plan (not there's much of a game plan under HR) and asked to leave. Keeping unhappy players in a relegation battle is stupid. Now let's just see how this money is spent guys and gals. It doesn't matter how Mutch does at Palace, whether he flops or does well, he just wasn't a good fit for QPR. (It doesn't matter how Mutch does at Palace) It does to me a bit Rory. A) If he helps to keep them up . I am fully aware we need to raise some cash though, so I guess it's beggars can't be choosers if nobody else comes in for them. B) Why did we buy him in the first place if he wasn't going to be a good fit? When was these game plans decided as they don't seem to be working away from home ? Maybe they could have fitted in better if the plans were better. (He wasn't a good fit for QPR) Do Hoillet and Phillips M come into that bracket or the coaches don't know how to coach them bracket ? Well as I explained, if we had kept the 3-5-2 he probably would have done a tad better. Isla is another player who was signed for that formation however he has worked out well. Hoilett is an interesting one, from the outside looking in I would say it's possible he is too damn lazy to fulfil his own potential, I think he's too laid back. Phillips I think deserves another chance personally. His crossing to Austin was superb last season
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 29, 2015 17:28:59 GMT
yes ive seen him play. He needed a run of games, hes been out injured or not match fit or somewhere in between.[/quote) He has had 11 games, not good enough.
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Post by Hogan on Jan 29, 2015 17:31:33 GMT
Perhaps so Kilburn, so lets wait and see how the money received for him is spent.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 29, 2015 17:32:15 GMT
Unfortunately this young guy was overshadowed by much more skill full players like Joey Barton and Karl Henry. You got one thing right.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 29, 2015 17:33:38 GMT
Perhaps so Kilburn, so lets wait and see how the money received for him is spent. Fact is im not sure if it will be spent, maybe a loan. I think ffp is kicking in.
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Post by harr on Jan 29, 2015 17:37:44 GMT
(It doesn't matter how Mutch does at Palace) It does to me a bit Rory. A) If he helps to keep them up . I am fully aware we need to raise some cash though, so I guess it's beggars can't be choosers if nobody else comes in for them. B) Why did we buy him in the first place if he wasn't going to be a good fit? When was these game plans decided as they don't seem to be working away from home ? Maybe they could have fitted in better if the plans were better. (He wasn't a good fit for QPR) Do Hoillet and Phillips M come into that bracket or the coaches don't know how to coach them bracket ? Well as I explained, if we had kept the 3-5-2 he probably would have done a tad better. Isla is another player who was signed for that formation however he has worked out well. Hoilett is an interesting one, from the outside looking in I would say it's possible he is too damn lazy to fulfil his own potential, I think he's too laid back. Phillips I think deserves another chance personally. His crossing to Austin was superb last season Fully see where your coming from Rory and if we need better options then we have to ship some out to get some in . Makes sense understand this and back TF and the board entirely with this stance what with FFP etc. If though for example Mutch,Hoillett and Phillips move on this window to Premier Teams and all do well or better than at QPR. Do we accept its our system/ formations fault and nothing else was wrong or do we say we didnt utilise them in their positions or coach them correctly ? I'm just thankful with add on's we never lost MUCH on MUTCH
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Post by Hogan on Jan 29, 2015 17:40:13 GMT
I think it will be spent, lets see what happens. If we sold the player without spending on replacements, then it clearly shows the board no faith in our survival hopes and we may as well all quit now.
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Post by terryb on Jan 29, 2015 17:42:53 GMT
Perhaps so Kilburn, so lets wait and see how the money received for him is spent. Fact is im not sure if it will be spent, maybe a loan. I think ffp is kicking in. In complete agreement with you Kilburn. I believe any fees received in January & the summer will mainly be for paying the FFP fine. Also that we will need to reduce wages by nearly half. Wages might well be met with all of those going out of contract. As far as Mutch goes, he has been shite for us, unfit & makes Taarabt look underweight. If Palace can get something out of him, good luck to them. I'm amazed we have got this high a fee for him.
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Post by jjqpr on Jan 29, 2015 19:44:49 GMT
I thought he was a great signing, really looked a great player, until he came to us! Watch him do the business for palarse now :/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 19:50:23 GMT
Good ! Now use the money on someone decent , the Blackburn striker has been mentioned , would be good addition , don't need anymore midfielders .
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Post by tom007 on Jan 29, 2015 19:54:52 GMT
i just cannot see why we are getting rid of young players which we should be attempting to keep and keeping pensioners that cant cut it anymore a good example was being overrun by burnley,they were so quick and at times made us look like we were standing still. i guess the money from mutch,taraabt , hoilett and phillips will pay for some more over aged mercenaries such as adebayor.
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Post by harr on Jan 30, 2015 12:17:33 GMT
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Post by Dufster on Jan 30, 2015 13:32:28 GMT
Makes perfect sense! HR till the end of the season then...
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Post by egranger on Jan 30, 2015 14:26:36 GMT
In the games I have watched we have carried players like Mutch, Phillips & sad to say it Hoillet - who I thought made a difference in the latter part of last season. We can't hold on to them for fear that they will do better somewhere else. If Harry can bring in some players who can perform then they must be sold.
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 30, 2015 15:23:56 GMT
Jordan wants as Mutch gametime as possible
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Post by harr on Jan 30, 2015 19:27:47 GMT
Mutch, Ameobi and now Papa Souare left back at Lille for 3 1/2 Million, youngster who we tried to sign in the summer . Pardew seemingly doing ok and watch Palace and WBA pull away
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 30, 2015 23:02:38 GMT
Redknapp is starting to make Mark Hughes seem like a messiah.
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Post by canadaranger on Jan 31, 2015 4:31:13 GMT
Darn... Can't hear Dunne to Mutch, Mutch to Yun being sung now...
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 31, 2015 9:12:58 GMT
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 31, 2015 9:23:10 GMT
Good piece, cant fault everything he says, exactly what most of us believed
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Post by sharky on Jan 31, 2015 14:12:23 GMT
Mutch was totally useless. Good riddance I say! Can't believe the positive comments about him. Reminded me of some of the players Sparky brought in, not interested.
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