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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 21, 2014 20:24:38 GMT
The last two days have perfectly shown why I don't tend to post as much as I used too.
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Post by harr on Oct 21, 2014 20:48:43 GMT
We have been through a couple of terrible days with the club being dragged through the mud by the press yet again and open disputes between fans with different opinions. All resulting from a press conference and the rantings of Harry and Taarabt. The Chairman has quiet rightly come out with a public apology and statement on the situation . Not many Chairmen have done that before. Yet still if I read the subsequent posts on different threads here the same people are re-opening the same debates of who is right who is wrong, is Adel overweight, if so how much by. Should TF has posted a Tweet , should he and why did he delete it. Why have Harry and Taarabt not publically apologised etc etc etc What more do people want than the Chairman apologising to the fans and trying to sort out the mess? He is the Chairman so let him sort it out. it is time to stop our in fighting, stop the analysis and second guessing of when Mr x said "if" did he really mean "if" and not "but" . It is time to get behind the team and the club. This is not helping the club, players, posters to this board, readers of this board or any genuine fan so let's cut it out. Maybe it's best to close this board for 3 days and let people take a deep breath, calm down and get back to the real world. Time for Londonrangers support group to kick into action as I well think I can't see the benefit of closing the board for three days ? If people want a bit of fresh air they generally go away for a week or a month or a year until things get better then return. It saddens me a little when good posters like Rory etc don't post as much but when we feel passionate about something we put up our views. I am as bad as anyone when it comes to Harry Redknapp for sure . I personally like him as a man and admire him for what he achieved as a coach . I didn't harp on too much when he took us down(check my posts if you like)I accepted the conditions. He got us up which was fantastic, no mean feat when you look where Wigan, Reading, Fulham and others currently are. However this year I feel he or his two sidekicks have under performed, if he turns it round you will see a lot more positives posts from me. Personally don't like posting this way but feel Redknapp has taken us as far as he can. Hope I am proved wrong . Yes there has been additional rubbish this week, Tony F does a lot of great things re the Club and I am grateful for that but if you tweet something as a Chairman of QPR surely you shouldn't delete them ? It sort of looks school boyish ? I will try harder to be less negative over weeks but with 4 points & bottom of the table and the stuff going it can be difficult. I really want us to stay in the Prem, if we went down we might not be so lucky next time . Could take 3/4 years to get back up . Really important we stay up, if anyone suggests 4 points return form eight games is good enough with the players we have, that are far better than the ones Hughes had like Disastrous Diakite and Shaun W P then maybe I am wrong . Anyhow, interesting post 57, I think you will get a lot more positive board in coming weeks. Urs
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Post by blatantfowl on Oct 21, 2014 21:05:24 GMT
Absolutely not. Discussion boards exist to allow opinion and debate and not to please any particular view.
57, you have posted as much strong and contentious opinion as anyone else and it is your right to do so. You also have the right to start this thread and to receive an unequivocal answer from me. Your suggestion is completely unacceptable. I am totally opposed that I and everyone should get censured for 3 days just because some bad things happened.
It doesn't matter that it got a bit hot in here. It happens now and then and is no big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 21:39:17 GMT
"What more do you want" FERNANDES TO GO !!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 21, 2014 21:48:49 GMT
Well to be honest I think the QPR statement was insufficient? Things were said by both parties. What was true?
Most important, we're Taaraat claims re Training, Hoddle, etc, true or not?
We're all pretty close re Taarabt re attitude, etc....
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Post by Bushman on Oct 21, 2014 22:03:02 GMT
We have been through a couple of terrible days with the club being dragged through the mud by the press yet again and open disputes between fans with different opinions. All resulting from a press conference and the rantings of Harry and Taarabt. The Chairman has quiet rightly come out with a public apology and statement on the situation . Not many Chairmen have done that before. Yet still if I read the subsequent posts on different threads here the same people are re-opening the same debates of who is right who is wrong, is Adel overweight, if so how much by. Should TF has posted a Tweet , should he and why did he delete it. Why have Harry and Taarabt not publically apologised etc etc etc What more do people want than the Chairman apologising to the fans and trying to sort out the mess? He is the Chairman so let him sort it out. it is time to stop our in fighting, stop the analysis and second guessing of when Mr x said "if" did he really mean "if" and not "but" . It is time to get behind the team and the club. This is not helping the club, players, posters to this board, readers of this board or any genuine fan so let's cut it out. Maybe it's best to close this board for 3 days and let people take a deep breath, calm down and get back to the real world. Time for Londonrangers support group to kick into action as I well think Interesting concept for a message board 57, but it's not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 22:05:58 GMT
Has londonranger upset the baked beans ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 22:08:48 GMT
"What you gain in chips you lose in beans." Famous saying that
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Post by nomar on Oct 21, 2014 22:13:12 GMT
"What you gain in chips you lose in beans." Famous saying that This quote so perfectly fits the man in your avatar.
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 21, 2014 22:16:05 GMT
"What you gain in chips you lose in beans." Famous saying that I was trying to work that into the 'Who' album cover from 'Sell Out' but couldn't quite manage it - it's time for another Stella and then perhaps I can.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 22, 2014 0:46:21 GMT
Neither Rain nor Snow, nor Heat of Day, nor Gloom of night, will prevent LondonRanger from making his appointed posts. This board has never closed down in all its years. Controversy, sensible
comments and freedom to express our thoughts pro con and intermediate, has been our hallmark. Making comments about other posters or groups of posters who have said whats on their mind
is generally just tolerated but not welcomed.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 22, 2014 11:04:03 GMT
I want 6 numbers and a powerball number that helps me to retire on.
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Post by superckat on Oct 22, 2014 13:24:38 GMT
We have been through a couple of terrible days with the club being dragged through the mud by the press yet again and open disputes between fans with different opinions. All resulting from a press conference and the rantings of Harry and Taarabt. The Chairman has quiet rightly come out with a public apology and statement on the situation . Not many Chairmen have done that before. Yet still if I read the subsequent posts on different threads here the same people are re-opening the same debates of who is right who is wrong, is Adel overweight, if so how much by. Should TF has posted a Tweet , should he and why did he delete it. Why have Harry and Taarabt not publically apologised etc etc etc What more do people want than the Chairman apologising to the fans and trying to sort out the mess? He is the Chairman so let him sort it out. it is time to stop our in fighting, stop the analysis and second guessing of when Mr x said "if" did he really mean "if" and not "but" . It is time to get behind the team and the club. This is not helping the club, players, posters to this board, readers of this board or any genuine fan so let's cut it out. Maybe it's best to close this board for 3 days and let people take a deep breath, calm down and get back to the real world. Time for Londonrangers support group to kick into action as I well think You have started a new thread to complain about people re-opening the same debates and suggested this board is closed for 3 days so people can calm down and get back to the real world. Your post is probably a good example why somethings should stay in people's heads and not be presented to the real world
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2014 13:53:31 GMT
Just to note that there is of course, No censorship on this board. (Beyond trying to stop beyond-the-pale abuse of fellow posters)
Posters can express their views. And can get responses to their views.
If you think Redknapp is great, or terrible or somewhere in between, no problem saying it. Ditto if you think Fernandes is great or terrible or somewhere in between.
This board doesnt control what people say. If the majority of posters are "negative" or "positive" - that's because that's what the posters on the board have posted.
And if posters don't post, or post less, I regret that of course.
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 22, 2014 14:05:44 GMT
Just to note that there is of course, No censorship on this board. (Beyond trying to stop beyond-the-pale abuse of fellow posters) Posters can express their views. And can get responses to their views. If you think Redknapp is great, or terrible or somewhere in between, no problem saying it. Ditto if you think Fernandes is great or terrible or somewhere in between. This board doesnt control what people say. If the majority of posters are "negative" or "positive" - that's because that's what the posters on the board have posted. And if posters don't post, or post less, I regret that of course. These stories have provoked a lot of traffic though haven't they and because Adel is in it as well then the posts are flying in. That's good. The subject itself is negative upon QPR because it is. I don't think the 'board' in itself is necessarily negative but the stuff in the press we are commenting on unfortunately ..is. That doesn't really reflect on the posters though. Look what happened directly after the Liverpool match, the mood on the board soared, pro and anti Redknapp just enjoyed a bit of something positive on the pitch. A few more results like that would have us organising a party. As far as posters not posting, that goes in circles.
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Post by blatantfowl on Oct 22, 2014 14:22:12 GMT
Whether you post or don't post, I would prefer it if board members just did post or didn't post rather than giving a commentary on their intentions.
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 22, 2014 14:33:50 GMT
What more do I want?
Football wise, nothing. I thought we played excellently on Sunday and were very unlucky, despite which I well enjoyed the game,just not the result.
Club wise, better governance on our behaviour in public so that it's not so embarrassing, but it's not a topic I feel that strongly about as it reflects more on the individuals involved rather than our club as a whole to those that actually understand football and football clubs. I couldn't care less about people who don't have that understanding yet still want to give an opinion in the press.
And if possible one of the Air Asia girls, if my wife will allow it.
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Post by nomar on Oct 22, 2014 17:47:21 GMT
What more do I want? Football wise, nothing. I thought we played excellently on Sunday and were very unlucky, despite which I well enjoyed the game,just not the result. Club wise, better governance on our behaviour in public so that it's not so embarrassing, but it's not a topic I feel that strongly about as it reflects more on the individuals involved rather than our club as a whole to those that actually understand football and football clubs. I couldn't care less about people who don't have that understanding yet still want to give an opinion in the press. And if possible one of the Air Asia girls, if my wife will allow it. Good luck with that last one. I'd go for any of the Hooters girls myself, but I know there's as much possibility of that as there is of us making the Champions league places in May.
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Post by ingham on Oct 22, 2014 20:57:56 GMT
Fernandes, Redknapp and the players are not the Club, and an opinion about whether they are good for the Club or bad for it is an opinion, and no-one else can decide what views another supporter is entitled to hold.
To prefer a better chairman, a better manager or a better squad is not negative. A supporter might be mistaken, but the mistakes of supporters are honest.
Clubs do suddenly and surprisingly emerge from abysmal performances to achieve remarkable things, Everton under Howard Kendall being an example.
Being rubbished didn't prevent Kendall turning Everton round. Lifelong season ticket holders sent their tickets back because it was the worst Everton team they had ever seen. No doubt they were right. At least if a memorably appalling Match of the Day was anything to go by. In the same season they reached two Cup Finals, won one, and won the League title the next.
The bad performances were worthy of criticism, the good ones of praise. That is precisely what they got.
Kendall didn't win the supporters over by eliminating THEIR negativity, because there wasn't any. They were concerned for the Club, and they were right. They didn't have to change, he and the team did.
Negativity in the boardroom, the dug-out and on the pitch does the harm. Supporters don't jeer excellence. Nor are they fooled by incompetence. A demand for better performances, results and finances is a positive thing.
Fernandes, Redknapp and the players will not survive their own failure. It is reasonable for supporters to be concerned about the damage their failure - if it comes to that - will do to the Club.
It is possible to take ALL possibilities into account, as many posters do. Of a QPR playing extraordinarily well, or extraordinarily badly. Being shrewd, or stupid.
After all, it is the Club and the supporters who will have to live with the consequences. They are all wealthy enough not to worry overmuch one way or the other.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 23, 2014 12:59:15 GMT
Great analogy with Kendall, I still remember hearing the boos even when they won. And that was on the telly, you could hear them.
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Post by superckat on Oct 23, 2014 13:33:38 GMT
What more do I want? Football wise, nothing. I thought we played excellently on Sunday and were very unlucky, despite which I well enjoyed the game,just not the result. Club wise, better governance on our behaviour in public so that it's not so embarrassing, but it's not a topic I feel that strongly about as it reflects more on the individuals involved rather than our club as a whole to those that actually understand football and football clubs. I couldn't care less about people who don't have that understanding yet still want to give an opinion in the press. And if possible one of the Air Asia girls, if my wife will allow it. Good luck with that last one. I'd go for any of the Hooters girls myself, but I know there's as much possibility of that as there is of us making the Champions league places in May. Speak for yourself I have both a Hooters Chick and an Air Asia girl either side of me right now. Yeah. Ladies love the Ckat
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 23, 2014 14:11:10 GMT
A genuine Singapore Girl would be nice. That is, the ones whom hostess on Singapore Airlines.
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Post by ingham on Oct 23, 2014 19:29:00 GMT
Yeah, boos all round, Peter Reid going off with his head down at the end of a dire game on a wet pitch against Coventry, 0-0, and the dreaded vote of confidence for Kendall from the Chairman, then losing 1-0 to Oxford in the League Cup a few days later and Kendall looked dead in the water, little fair haired striker grabbed a late draw (I can see him scoring it on the late highlights but I can't remember his name) and they never looked back.
Always wondered if the Chairman would have sacked him after the Oxford game, had they lost, but I'm pretty sure he was glad he didn't.
Kendall, the youngest player ever in a Cup Final - 16 was it? - with Preston in 1963, seemed young (looking back) to be transforming Everton so dramatically in the mid-1980s.
Wasn't he also part of Harry Catterick's excellent title-winning side? In a famous midfield (as the Everton 1963 champions also had, with the Golden Vision himself). Harvey, Kendall and Ball, wasn't it?
Catterick, another unsung manager in the wider world if a hero to Evertonians. Clearly a midfield specialist!
So there's hope for Harry, especially if he can manage a couple of Cup Final appearances and a couple of titles. Failing that, a win. Two?
He's done it before. Start small.
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Post by peterg on Oct 23, 2014 22:20:55 GMT
Was the fair haired striker Adrian Heath?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 23, 2014 22:35:44 GMT
And the famed case of Alex Ferguson coming close to the sack in his early years at Man Ut
But I don't see quite the same at QPR
Kendall had a first great stint at Everton...Less so in his second...
Truly amazing how we've gone fro absolute euphoria in May to what we are now.
And just as amazing, we've gone from one minute before the end of the Liverpool game when we were so euphoric both at the draw and the way we played (and how Redknapp was acting) to what we've seen past few days.
We're QPR all right
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