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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 18, 2014 15:34:47 GMT
A couple years later... QPR ready to scrap Warren Farm project
18/07/2014 By David McIntyreQPR are ready to ditch plans to build a new training ground at Warren Farm. It is more than two-and-a-half years since West London Sport revealed that Rangers were looking to turn the dilapidated sports centre between Osterley and Southall into the club’s new headquarters. Their proposals were approved by Ealing Council but objections from local residents have caused a lengthy delay to the process. So lengthy, that what began as a reluctant contingency plan should the Warren Farm move be scuppered has become regarded by Rangers as potentially a better option. That option is to extend their current training base at Harlington, which has already undergone significant improvements in the last couple of years. Talks have taken place with Imperial College, who own the site near Heathrow, and both parties believe the project is viable. QPR chairman Tony Fernandes explained: “I have to admit I’m tired of judicial reviews and this and that. We need to move on. “Imperial are the land owners and we can work with them and maybe build something better. “We’re going to have a board meeting in a few months and decide then. If I was a betting man I’d say we’ll be at Harlington.” Rangers’ thinking has also been reshaped by the apparent success of their academy’s move to the Concorde Club, near Harlington, which they have used since last year in what was also initially regarded as a stopgap. It was originally seen as essential that the academy and first team are based in the same place. The pitches at Harlington have been extended and are now in excellent condition, while the interior has also been significantly improved in the last two years. And with the possibility of the site being upgraded, QPR believe they may have stumbled across a more cost-effective way forward – even though an eventual victory over Warren Farm seems likely were they to stick to their original plan. Fernandes added: “What’s happened is like when you make an offer for a player and he waits. Do we wait forever or take the next best option? “In this case, we never even thought about it [staying at Harlington] but when you think suddenly think you may not get it [Warren Farm] you start looking at an alternative. “Then maybe you start to think: ‘Actually, maybe the alternative is better’. That’s what has happened here. “I think we’d win on Warren Farm, but now we’ve got another option.” Jul 18, 2014 at 11:41am QPR make shock admission over new training ground Jul 18, 2014 16:20 By Paul Warburton Club ready to pull out of Warren Farm and stay put QPR is on the verge of ditching plans for a new training ground in Osterley - and will develop their existing site at cut-price instead. Ambitious proposals for the run-down Warren Farm site include a community sports development programme. But the scheme has been hobbled from the outset by the Hanwell Community Forum (HCF) that continues to fight tooth and nail to preserve the area. Even though HCF lost a High Court challenge earlier this year the group intend to fight on. Rs chairman Tony Fernandes is losing patience. “I’ve got to admit we may need to move on,” he said. “I’m a little bit tired of judicial reviews and this and that, and we can’t stand still.” Train of thought: Tony Fernandes to stay put at Harlington Rangers moved to the Harlington Imperial College grounds in 2007 as replacement tenants for Chelsea who decamped to a new facility in Cobham. Hoops hoped to go state of the art by spending £6million on Warren Farm, but Fernandes has hit the pause button, and questions spending in the way Tottenham has at a new facility in Enfield. He said: “We’re going to have a board meeting in a few months to decide, but if I was a betting man I’d say we’d be here at Harlington. “It’s only a few complaining - but it doesn’t take many to stop the process. “It’s like wanting to sign a new player who ‘umms’ and ‘arrs’ about coming Do we wait forever or do we take the next best option? And then maybe you think the option was better anyway. Protest: from the Hanwell Community Forum “I think we could win at Warren Farm, but now we’ve got another option, and I've got to the stage where I’ll wait for no-one any more.” Fernandes wants work with the Imperial owners and upgrade Harlington, but has no intention of lavishing cash on the grounds. “What is a Rolls-Royce training ground?" he said. "If you give me the best football shoes, will it make me a better footballer? “What makes a difference is the coach and a player. Do we need a Spurs?” The Air Asia airline founder and boss laughed away the threat of a third airport runway that would carve up the Imperial pitches and the surrounding area. “If getting Warren Farm approved is difficult, and bearing in mind I’m in the aviation business, a new runway going to be way beyond my lifetime,” he added. www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-make-shock-admission-over-7452287
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 18, 2014 15:36:24 GMT
I fail to see how keeping our academy and 1st team apart is a better option for the club. If we want to be bringing players through we need to have it all in one location.
Hope those ****'s behind the 'Save Warren Farm' campaign are happy, idiots.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 18, 2014 15:38:58 GMT
More worryingly I hope its not a sign of failing commitment
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Post by sharky on Jul 18, 2014 15:41:38 GMT
More worryingly I hope its not a sign of failing commitment More frustration I would think. It does seem to be an unbelievably complicated process. I sympathise with Tony on this one!
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 18, 2014 15:41:39 GMT
QPR make shock admission over new training ground Jul 18, 2014 16:20 By Paul Warburton 0 Comments Club ready to pull out of Warren Farm and stay put Email Green, green grass of home: Rangers players train at Harlington QPR is on the verge of ditching plans for a new training ground in Osterley - and will develop their existing site at cut-price instead. Ambitious proposals for the run-down Warren Farm site include a community sports development programme. But the scheme has been hobbled from the outset by the Hanwell Community Forum (HCF) that continues to fight tooth and nail to preserve the area. Even though HCF lost a High Court challenge earlier this year the group intend to fight on. Rs chairman Tony Fernandes is losing patience. “I’ve got to admit we may need to move on,” he said. “I’m a little bit tired of judicial reviews and this and that, and we can’t stand still.” Train of thought: Tony Fernandes to stay put at Harlington Rangers moved to the Harlington Imperial College grounds in 2007 as replacement tenants for Chelsea who decamped to a new facility in Cobham. Hoops hoped to go state of the art by spending £6million on Warren Farm, but Fernandes has hit the pause button, and questions spending in the way Tottenham has at a new facility in Enfield. He said: “We’re going to have a board meeting in a few months to decide, but if I was a betting man I’d say we’d be here at Harlington. “It’s only a few complaining - but it doesn’t take many to stop the process. “It’s like wanting to sign a new player who ‘umms’ and ‘arrs’ about coming Do we wait forever or do we take the next best option? And then maybe you think the option was better anyway. Protest: from the Hanwell Community Forum “I think we could win at Warren Farm, but now we’ve got another option, and I've got to the stage where I’ll wait for no-one any more.” Fernandes wants work with the Imperial owners and upgrade Harlington, but has no intention of lavishing cash on the grounds. “What is a Rolls-Royce training ground?" he said. "If you give me the best football shoes, will it make me a better footballer? “What makes a difference is the coach and a player. Do we need a Spurs?” The Air Asia airline founder and boss laughed away the threat of a third airport runway that would carve up the Imperial pitches and the surrounding area. “If getting Warren Farm approved is difficult, and bearing in mind I’m in the aviation business, a new runway going to be way beyond my lifetime,” he added. www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-make-shock-admission-over-7452287
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 18, 2014 15:46:34 GMT
Would just like to point out that he hasn't said it won't happen, they're just looking at other options etc.
I'm going to guess that this will lead onto conspiracy's about lack of funding and how the owners are only in it for multi-use arena's and don't care etc etc etc etc.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 18, 2014 15:56:04 GMT
And maybe. Just maybe there is something to those "Conspiracy" views....Don't understand the logic of thinking of abandoning after getting so far.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 18, 2014 16:01:17 GMT
The training ground is the one thing the board wanted to get done ASAP, guessing the hoops (no pun intended) we had to jump through getting round those annoying #savewarrenfarm muppets meant a much longer road to getting Warren Farm completed and if the other options are more cost effective then all the better.
I would just hope that whatever they did to Harlington turned it into a state of the art facility, rather than just a few new fields/expansion etc.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 18, 2014 16:04:16 GMT
More worryingly I hope its not a sign of failing commitment My thoughts also.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Jul 18, 2014 16:56:49 GMT
Could be a little tactic to try and get it pushed along a bit quicker. Showing Ealing council that they are no longer the only game in town!!!!
Ealing council need this to go through as much as QPR. They have allowed Warren farm to become a waste land and the only next step would be to allow houses to be built on it. That would cheer the locals up....NOT
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 18, 2014 17:02:36 GMT
Could be a little tactic to try and get it pushed along a bit quicker. Showing Ealing council that they are no longer the only game in town!!!! Ealing council need this to go through as much as QPR. They have allowed Warren farm to become a waste land and the only next step would be to allow houses to be built on it. That would cheer the locals up....NOT Very true, hadn't thought of that angle. It is still very possible that we get Warren Farm.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 18, 2014 17:15:15 GMT
Considering all the hype/bs we heard about how ESSENTIAL this new training ground was. Now hear, not so important after all
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 18, 2014 17:38:16 GMT
Considering all the hype/bs we heard about how ESSENTIAL this new training ground was. Now hear, not so important after all The way you're talking is as if it's a choice between Warren Farm or nothing, and we're choosing nothing.... If they do call off Warren Farm then we will still be getting a new training ground, Harlington would still be upgraded.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 18, 2014 19:03:38 GMT
Nimby's, you gotta love them. The most selfish W*nkers in the world. Always oppose progress just for the sake of it. usually rally the dial-a-protester groups to help their cause and generally jerk people around.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 18, 2014 19:05:56 GMT
I guess I'm thinking that one might be a little sceptical about what we hear from our club.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 18, 2014 20:33:43 GMT
Could be a little tactic to try and get it pushed along a bit quicker. Showing Ealing council that they are no longer the only game in town!!!! Ealing council need this to go through as much as QPR. They have allowed Warren farm to become a waste land and the only next step would be to allow houses to be built on it. That would cheer the locals up....NOT Very true, hadn't thought of that angle. It is still very possible that we get Warren Farm. Doesn't make sense guys...Ealing want this to happen as much as us...its the residents group that's blocking it and us bogging off only suits their purpose
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Post by scarletpimple on Jul 18, 2014 21:04:54 GMT
Did Labour not win the bye election from the Tories, and Labour support the dog walkers and promised to block the academy being built, they now could be putting obstacles in the way which has pi$$ed Tony off.
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Post by Bushman on Jul 18, 2014 21:42:40 GMT
Did Labour not win the bye election from the Tories, and Labour support the dog walkers and promised to block the academy being built, they now could be putting obstacles in the way which has pi$$ed Tony off. Labour-run Ealing Council approved planning permission and signed the development agreement with QPR. The Labour party retained control over Ealing Council after winning a majority of seats in the local elections on 22 May 2014.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jul 18, 2014 23:09:09 GMT
My bad.......
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 19, 2014 5:38:25 GMT
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Post by wrenboy61 on Jul 19, 2014 10:10:25 GMT
Very true, hadn't thought of that angle. It is still very possible that we get Warren Farm. Doesn't make sense guys...Ealing want this to happen as much as us...its the residents group that's blocking it and us bogging off only suits their purpose Eusebio the council do need this to go through but maybe QPR feel they are not focussing on it enough and doing enough to sort the situation out quickly. So a little kick up the jacksy always help to focus the mind!!!!
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 19, 2014 10:16:55 GMT
Doesn't make sense guys...Ealing want this to happen as much as us...its the residents group that's blocking it and us bogging off only suits their purpose Eusebio the council do need this to go through but maybe QPR feel they are not focussing on it enough and doing enough to sort the situation out quickly. So a little kick up the jacksy always help to focus the mind!!!! If we do think this then its a miscalculation...this is in the hands of the courts not Ealing
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 19, 2014 11:27:23 GMT
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 19, 2014 13:41:36 GMT
QPR 1st are spot on. Also even if it is your decision to not proceed you need to handle the comms better
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 22, 2014 10:37:12 GMT
QPR Threaten to Pull-Out Of Warren Farm Campaigners remain hopeful after latest reports Related Links QPR Club Chairman Tony Fernandes Warren Farm - Fight Not Over No Judicial Review Of Warren Farm Decision Warren Farm Battle Moves to High Court The Warren Farm - QPR 'Giveaway' Legal Challenge Over Warren Farm QPR gets go-ahead WFIG QPR HCF Factsheet on Warren Farm (pdf) ActonW3.com, ChiswickW4.com and EalingToday.co.uk Participate Comment on this story on the forum Campaigners have welcomed reports that QPR may pull out of the Warren Farm training centre deal. Ealing Council originally gave the football club permission to build on the land in April 2013 but the decision proved controversial with claims that they had 'gifted' publicly-owned land worth an estimated £31.5M to a commercial organisation for 200 years, rent free. The case has been taken to the High Court by a number of community groups but they failed to secure a Judicial Review. It appeared as though their fight was lost and QPR would progress with their new training ground. However, QPR chairman, Tony Fernades, has now apparently grown frustrated with the delays and told reporters that he may upgrade the club’s current training ground in Harlington rather than proceed with his plans to build at Warren Farm. He has recently been quoted as saying: '' We’re going to have a board meeting in a few months to decide, but if I was a betting man I’d say we’d be here at Harlington. It’s only a few complaining - but it doesn’t take many to stop the process.'' The club has to carry out an archaelogical plan at Warren Farm because the area is of historical interest. Meanwhile residents are also hoping to get the area designated under the localism act as one of the ' Assets of Community Value’. If it were to be successful, the community would have the right to bid for Warren Farm. The Save Warren Farm Campaign and Hanwell Community Forum have welcomed the latest twist from QPR and say they are ''committed to working with Ealing Council to identify grants and funding to build a 21st century sports pavilion, with associated management plan (along the lines of The Hub in Regents Park; www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/the-regents-park/sport-in-the-park-the-hub) to service the full 61 acres, across a broad range of outdoor sports and leisure activities, on behalf of the community.'' QPR have said they won't be issuing any further comment. We have requested a statement from Ealing Council. 22nd July 2014 www.ealingtoday.co.uk/shared/eawarrenfarmjuly001.htm
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Post by sharky on Jul 22, 2014 13:08:24 GMT
..........and from the Ealing Times www.ealingtimes.co.uk/news/localnews/11357140._/?Campaigners scent victory over Warren Farm plans: QPR 'having second thoughts' Updated 12:31pm Tuesday 22nd July 2014 in Local News By Staff Reporter Rethink: the Loftus Road club is said to be looking at developing its Harlington site CAMPAIGNERS looking to keep Warren Farm open space for the public are welcoming unconfirmed reports that QPR Football Club are considering pulling out of a deal with Ealing Council to develop part of the site. Save Warren Farm Campaign and Hanwell Community Forum argue that the deal would result in publicly-owned land, worth in their estimates £31.5m, yet valued by Ealing at £1.8-2.25m, being handed over to a commercial firm for 200 years, rent free. QPR chairman Tony Fernandes, is said to be frustrated over planning delays and has told reporters he may, instead, upgrade the club’s current training ground at Imperial College, Harlington, close to Heathrow. Under the approved plans for Warren Farm, two-thirds of the land would be given to QPR for their exclusive use. Campaigners have long argued that its proposed training and academy buildings are not designed for ‘sensitive public green space’. The 61-acre site on the Northolt-Southall border would be surrounded by an eight foot high boundary fence. They say Warren Farm is the best drained sports field in the borough, where no community fixtures have had to be cancelled due to waterlogging over the last 10 winters. A spokesman said: “Warren Farm is one of 15 local ‘assets’ for which, under the Localism Act 2011, residents are working towards submitting nominations to have them designated as ‘assets of community value’. If successful, then the community would have the right to bid for Warren Farm. As part of the process, an online petition was set up to generate the necessary votes (required under the Act) for each of the 15 potential assets. After an overwhelming response, within 24 hours the petition had been taken down as all 15, including Warren Farm, received in excess of the necessary endorsement. “The Save Warren Farm Campaign and Hanwell Community Forum commits to working with Ealing Council to identify grants and funding to build a 21st century sports pavilion, with associated management plan, for considerably less than the £5.1m it is costing to refurbish Walpole Park,” said the spokesman. “This could be achieved appropriately along the lines of The Hub in Regents Park, to service the full 61 acres, across a broad range of outdoor sports and leisure activities, on behalf of the community.” Neither QPR nor Ealing Council has yet to comment on the issue.
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Post by sharky on Jul 22, 2014 15:21:54 GMT
..........and from getwestlondon www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/campaigners-hope-take-over-southalls-7475197?Campaigners hope to take over Southall's Warren Farm sports ground development as QPR waivers Jul 22, 2014 12:24 By Camilla Horrox 0 Comments Hanwell Community Forum want to work with Ealing Council to secure funding for a pavilion Campaigners are planning to bid for Warren Farm sports ground after QPR's owner said he was growing tired of the legal battle to take over part of the site. It was announced last week that QPR may be on the verge of ditching plans for a new training ground in the Southall site. The scheme has been hobbled from the outset by the Hanwell Community Forum (HCF) which continues to fight tooth and nail to preserve the area. QPR may now plan to develop their existing site at Harlington Imperial College Grounds instead. HCF have welcomed the news and outlined their plan to have Warren Farm designated as an asset of community value under the Localism Act. The forum want to work with Ealing Council to identify grants and funding to build a sports pavilion which would service the ground's full 61 acres. HCF chairwoman Carolyn Brown said: "We absolutely welcome the news that QPR are thinking twice about using Warren Farm for a new training ground. We’re delighted the area may yet be saved. Our concerns have centred around 61 acres of public land worth £31.5million, yet valued by Ealing Council at between £1.8 and £2.5m, being handed over to a commercial organisation for 200 years rent free. “If this community use land goes to QPR, two thirds of it will be for exclusive use of the football club. We will also end up with sports facilities not designed for sensitive metropolitan open land and public green spaces. The buildings would end up looking more suited to Heathrow than a leafy park. A multi-use sports facility like The Hub, designed for sensitive metropolitan land and built in Regent’s Park costing £3m, is a preferable and very feasible option for Warren Farm." Even though HCF lost a High Court challenge earlier this year the group intend to fight on. QPR's plan was to spend £6m on Warren Farm, but chairman Tony Fernandes is losing patience. He said: “I’ve got to admit we may need to move on. I’m a little bit tired of judicial reviews and this and that, and we can’t stand still.” “We’re going to have a board meeting in a few months to decide, but if I was a betting man I’d say we'd be here at Harlington. It’s only a few complaining - but it doesn’t take many to stop the process. I think we could win at Warren Farm, but now we’ve got another option, and I’ve got to the stage where I’ll wait for no-one any more.” An Ealing Council spokeswoman said: “Ealing Council is keen to see what will be a great facility for both QPR and our residents and is continuing to work with the club now that the judicial review has been resolved and planning permission is in place.”
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Post by Markqpr on Jul 22, 2014 16:15:09 GMT
Some very interesting comments there by Fernandes. However I think some of them are knee jerk to the latest saga that Warren Farm has become.
However as an impatient man only looking to invest in the area, he's fully entitled to make them, as they are surely borne out of utter pure sheer frustration.
I do not see them as a sign of scaling back investment, more purely simply anger that after already investing so much time and money into Warren Farm we're once again, unbelievably, halted in our attempts to develop the training ground and provide first class services to the community thru top level pitches in tandem with the great work QPR in the Community already does.
I doubt he will give up on a new training ground, the comments about upgrading Harlington are probably a realisation that we need something so desperately that it makes sense to upgrade where we are whilst we search for a new location. Then and hopefully only then we'll announce our intentions and then pay someone to start work on the plans.
There's no point blaming 'Uncle Tony' for this one, no one saw this Localism Act coming and there is no point reading too much into the comments of someone whose rightly pissed off right now.
Fu(kin' Localism Act. Just more government Bullsh!t.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 23, 2014 6:43:41 GMT
Jul 23, 2014 02:00 ET
Statement in Response to Press Reports That QPR is Considering Pulling Out of the Warren Farm Deal With Ealing CouncilLONDON, July 23, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- The Save Warren Farm Campaign and Hanwell Community Forum enthusiastically welcome the news that the owners of QPR Football Club are considering pulling out of the deal with Ealing Council on Warren Farm community sports field. This deal with Ealing Council would result in publicly-owned land worth an estimated £31.5M, yet valued by Ealing at a mere £1.8-2.25M, being handed over to a commercial organisation for 200 years, rent free. Under the approved plans, two thirds of the land designated for community use would be given to QPR for their exclusive use. The Training and Academy buildings are not designed for sensitive Metropolitan Open Land and public green space, but would fit in well at Heathrow Airport. And the 61 acre site would be surrounded by an eight foot high opaque boundary fence. Warren Farm is the best drained sports field in the Borough, where no community fixtures have had to be cancelled due to waterlogging over the last 10 winter sports seasons. There is a strong and diverse local voice across the Borough of Ealing objecting to this deal, which would mean that there would no longer be sufficient room to host large sports tournaments, such as the APNA Primary Schools and the Tamil Sports Association Tournaments. In June 2013, 16 Primary Schools from Acton, Ealing, West Ealing, Hanwell, Northolt and Southall entered 34 teams into the APNA tournament which, that year, was won by St John's Primary School, West Ealing. St John's Primary School has no green space at all on their site. Warren Farm is one of 15 local 'assets' for which residents are working towards submitting nominations to have designated as 'Assets of Community Value' under the Localism Act 2011. If successful, then the community would have the right to bid for Warren Farm. As part of the nomination process, an online petition was set up to generate the necessary 21 votes (required under the Act) for each of the 15 potential community assets. After an overwhelming response, within 24 hours the petition was taken down, as all 15 assets, including Warren Farm, had received well in excess of the necessary endorsement from the community. Accordingly, we will be applying for Warren Farm to be designated an 'Asset of Community Value' under the Localism Act. The Save Warren Farm Campaign and Hanwell Community Forum commit to working with Ealing Council to identify grants and funding to build a 21st-century sports pavilion, with associated management plan, for considerably less than the £5.1M it is costing to refurbish Walpole Park. This could be achieved appropriately for Metropolitan Open Land along the lines of The Hub in Regents Park (http://www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/the-regents-park/sport-in-the-park-the-hub) to service the full 61 acres, across a broad range of outdoor sports and leisure activities, on behalf of the community. Notes to the Editor Hanwell Community Forum is an alliance of residents' associations, traders' and business associations, environmental organisations, other interest groups and individuals who live and work in Hanwell, within the London Borough of Ealing. The Save Warren Farm petition can be signed at www.gopetition.com/petitions/save-warren-farm-ealing-as-genuine-undeveloped-metro.html Donations to the Save Warren Farm campaign welcomed via the website at www.savewarrenfarm.com/#/donate-to-the-campaign/4578006033www.virtualpressoffice.com/publicsiteContentFileAccess?fileContentId=1689385&fromOtherPageToDisableHistory=Y&menuName=News&sId=&sInfo=
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 24, 2014 15:35:00 GMT
QPR may scrap £30m training complex, says owner Tony Fernandes
Change of plans: Ton Fernandes 2 3
JONATHAN PRYNN, CONSUMER BUSINESS EDITOR
Published: 24 July 2014 Updated: 15:32, 24 July 2014 Campaigners against Queens Park Rangers’ planned £30 million training centre are celebrating after the club’s chairman said the scheme could be scrapped.
The Premier League team’s owner Tony Fernandes said the scale of local opposition to the plan to build a facility at Warren Farm in Hanwell, west London, had made him rethink his plans despite defeating a legal challenge in the High Court in March.
Mr Fernandes said he was now considering upgrading the club’s existing ramshackle training ground at Harlington instead.
He said: “We are going to move on. Imperial (College) are the land owners here [at Harlington]. We are talking to Imperial about expanding and making it bigger and better here.
“We are going to have a board meeting in a few months when we are going to decide. If I was a betting man I would say it would be here.”
He added: “The judicial reviews keep coming. The local residents keep complaining – it’s only a few but it doesn’t take many to stop something.”
Mr Fernandes’s comments were greeted with enthusiasm by the Hanwell Community Forum, which has accused Ealing council of selling off 61 acres of public space to QPR for “a mere £1.8 million to £2.25 million”.
The council said: “We are keen to see what will be a great facility for both QPR and our residents.”
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