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Post by Macmoish on May 1, 2014 16:55:12 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on May 1, 2014 18:58:19 GMT
Good fan forum
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Post by Macmoish on May 1, 2014 19:27:14 GMT
Always said Tony Fernandes comes across well in person/interviews
For anyone interested the QPR Report Question (and then the revised question)
REVISED (which wasnt't exactly asked as a full question at the Forum)
My Question to Tony Fernandes relates to the new Stadium.
Would you please elaborate on what will be the exact legal relationship between QPR FC and ownership of the new Stadium. Will QPR FC own the Stadium and benefit from the gate receipts and other stadium usage incomes (and of course from the sale of Loftus Road); or will QPR FC merely be a tenant, playing at the stadium subject to possible ouster by you or some future owner of the Stadium who might decide to sell QPR?
ORIGINAL (Lengthy Question)
My question relates to the new Stadium and how you and your fellow owners view your role at QPR: Obviously much of the recent Stadium focus has been about its size, shape, etc. (No more than 30-35,000 thank you!) Do you see yourself as owners of a business - whose ultimate objective is to make money for the shareholders - or do you view yourself as Guardians and Trustees of QPR? What if there's a dichotomy of interests between the two? Between what's good for the shareholders and what's the best interests of the club? (No offence intended, but you don't have a long history of supporting QPR and did in fact attempt to buy into West Ham - and reportedly Norwich)
So is ownership of QPR for its own sake - or is, at least in part a path for the shareholders to engage in a massive business development venture, of which the new stadium is just a component of a far larger project (as Philip Beard seemed to suggest in his recent interview with Tony Incenzo in FC Business?
And could you elaborate more on the exact ownership of the new Stadium. Ian Taylor recently told the fan groups that "QPR" would own the new stadium. Can you elaborate on exactly what that means? QPR are currently owned by QPR Holdings who also own (at least in theory) Loftus Road. What's the situation with the new QPR Stadium? And how will the Stadium ownership tie in with ownership of any possible "investments" you will be making in the area? Who will get the gate receipts and conference receipts from the new stadium? What will happen to the money from the sale of Loftus Road. And is the size of the new Stadium determined at least in part by other than football interests.
And how is the future of QPR effected if you decide you no longer want to own QPR or after your death. The club is after all, over 125 years old. It preceded all of us; and hopefully it will continue long after us. How to ensure that QPR are not just tenant of this new venture. And one day run the risk of become "homeless" - maybe after your time, like some other clubs.
Thank You. Apologies if this question is a little long and complicated. Circumstances compel that. Given that thus far, there hasn't been a fan groups meeting with Tony and Philip to discuss these issues in depth..
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Post by scarletpimple on May 1, 2014 21:31:13 GMT
The part where Tony said the shareholders are talking about taking on the debt, if they do that, would there still doubter's as to their commitment to the clubs well being and not here just to make a profit.
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Post by jjqpr on May 1, 2014 22:53:39 GMT
The part where Tony said the shareholders are talking about taking on the debt, if they do that, would there still doubter's as to their commitment to the clubs well being and not here just to make a profit. Only macmoish j/k
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Post by Macmoish on May 1, 2014 23:09:42 GMT
Not a matter of doubt but suppose Tony and his colleagues should pass on, what happens to QPR?
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Post by Macmoish on May 2, 2014 7:29:13 GMT
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NO1QPRNZ
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"Remember sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards"UuuRrrSsssss.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on May 2, 2014 9:39:59 GMT
Well imo this was a great Fans Forum the Questions asked and replyed answers were spot on. Rodney gave some great answers and he is not on the payroll! but he should be and he maybe? I realy did like his comment re x players wellfare and Blazers etc etc. I hope more comes from this.Watching the forum at 6AM in the morning here in NZ set my Day up. And I am realy looking forward to the play offs. I think our Club is in good Hands thank you Tony and fellow owners and Directors for steering our Club in the right direction. UuuuRrrrrSssssss.
P.S. Good luck for the upcoming Melbourn Rs meet its going to be a Cracker. Good onya Mark x
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Post by nadera78 on May 2, 2014 10:04:49 GMT
The part where Tony said the shareholders are talking about taking on the debt, if they do that, would there still doubter's as to their commitment to the clubs well being and not here just to make a profit. The profit will come, not from QPR directly, but when they redevelop 200 acres of land at Old Oak. And QPR is the key to getting in there because politically and socially they can sell the deal as being good for the club and the therefore the community that supports it. QPR also gives them a big marketing vehicle in Asia. I don't begrudge them making money on the Old Oak deal, good luck to them, or using it to promote their businesses, but that doesn't mean I can't be cautious about what they do with the club that I love in terms of hiring/firing, stadium development and ownership, payer signings and a myriad of other things.
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Post by Jon Doeman on May 2, 2014 12:01:18 GMT
What a great bloke Tony is, bloody hope they do it for him in the play off's, he deserves a bit of success.
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Post by Macmoish on May 2, 2014 12:08:59 GMT
I have the feeling that this might not be the most propitious time to come out and heavily slam TONY! #WeLoveYouTony
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Post by spanishal on May 2, 2014 15:07:25 GMT
Well I trust that you're not being cynical Mac as TF came across, and always has, as an owner who really does care about the club and only wants to do the right thing. He has indeed been naive at times and has owned up to the mistakes he's made quite openly.
Rodney's take on player greed was honest and refreshing and I' m sure only diplomacy prevented Tony from agreeing
Didn't hear too much about Harry don't know what that tells us
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Post by jjqpr on May 2, 2014 15:19:26 GMT
What a great bloke Tony is, bloody hope they do it for him in the play off's, he deserves a bit of success. First sensible thing you've said all day! Well I trust that you're not being cynical Mac as TF came across, and always has, as an owner who really does care about the club and only wants to do the right thing. He has indeed been naive at times and has owned up to the mistakes he's made quite openly. Rodney's take on player greed was honest and refreshing and I' m sure only diplomacy prevented Tony from agreeing Didn't hear too much about Harry don't know what that tells us Exactly, Macmoish I know you were probably (hopefully) joking but on what grounds would/could you want to "heavily slam" Tony after that?
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Post by Macmoish on May 2, 2014 15:22:29 GMT
I would ask - in all seriousness - what happens to QPR, and how would we feel about our ownership, if Tony should fall off that proverbial bus? (Especially if Amit Bhatia is no longer around)? As for cynical? Moi?! (But on this occasion I was just acknowledging the even higher level of popularity and trust, Tony attained after last night) Re Redknapp: It was actually interesting - We're looking at players for next season - depending if we're in Prem or Champs...But if Redknapp not here, he may want different players. So whatever that means
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Post by jjqpr on May 2, 2014 15:28:37 GMT
I would ask - in all seriousness - what happens to QPR, and how would we feel about our ownership, if Tony should fall off that proverbial bus? (Especially if Amit Bhatia is no longer around)? As for cynical? Moi?! (But on this occasion I was just acknowledging the even higher level of popularity and trust, Tony attained after last night) Re Redknapp: It was actually interesting - We're looking at players for next season - depending if we're in Prem or Champs...But if Redknapp not here, he may want different players. So whatever that means Now I know I'm a glass half empty kinda person, and I am quite happy to be so, but even I don't want to think what will happen if Tony "passes on" as you put it! I mean how would any club be able to predict that, what would you have them do, to cover every eventuality? Do other clubs have something in place that we don't? As for trust, yes I trust Tony. Why not? he's put his money where his mouth is, he comes across as loyal, nice and friendly and like he genuinly cares about our little club. Whats not to like? Who knows maybe one day you'll single handedly be the one whos actually responsible for him leaving with all the Twagging, a new word I just probably made up, meaning Twitter Nagging
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Post by terryb on May 2, 2014 16:35:12 GMT
I have said for a long time that I thought TF & his partners would be with us for the long term & that the debt was exactly the same as Fulham had with The Grocer.
Where my view differs from some others is that I feel this decision was made by them for business reasons as opposed to football reasons. The Old Oak project can reward them with profits far exceeding the cost of proping up Queens Park Rangers. Nowt wrong with that.
Now that Old Oak appears to be on the cards, TF will be able to spend more time on club matters & hopefully he can show us that he has learnt from past mistakes. I can't see objections to Old Oak being sucessful because of the re-generation of the whole area that this project would bring.
We are needed by them to be the flagship.
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Post by Macmoish on May 2, 2014 16:39:33 GMT
That Tony wouldnt go anywhere because of the Stadium/Surroundings investment money to be made, is something Dave McIntyre has been saying in the past.
Re Tony "Passing On' and how other clubs prepare - I don't know. I just know that we're basing everything on "We Love Tony" - and we saw how quickly we went from Bulstrode to Thompson - and in a different context from BP to PALADINI...and then Briatore...
Twagging! Hah! I think he has sycophants out there. I've never - ever abused him - no matter how poor we were. And I never would. But I certainly would pose questions which I think are fair to ask; or make points which I feel are valid to make.
However great Tony is, I think if we stop asking question, that's bad
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Post by Roller on May 2, 2014 20:45:55 GMT
That is an excellent write up by Clive. Bushman and I were sitting directly behind him, Clive clearly doesn't allow his personal feelings to impinge on his report. Clive won one of the tombola type prizes. No, he is not playing left back on Saturday, but apparently he has donated his Caterham Driving Experience back to QPR in the Community, which surprised me as he was genuinely looking forward to it. Top bloke.
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Post by Macmoish on May 2, 2014 20:56:26 GMT
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Post by Bushman on May 2, 2014 21:42:31 GMT
Excellent gesture by Clive.
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Post by cpr on May 2, 2014 22:55:12 GMT
Bullshit, bollox, smoke and mirrors.
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Post by sharky on May 2, 2014 23:43:57 GMT
Bullshite, bollox, smoke and mirrors. Ah the half empty response cometh
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Post by marshbowles10 on May 3, 2014 7:52:06 GMT
I thought that TF came across as a genuinely 'nice' bloke and someone you'd want to have a beer with.
Has he learned some of the lessons from the past? Well we still haven't got that 'football man' on the board despite TF offering to review Rodnee's CV..... so we still are a board composed of flying and entertainment skill but no direct football insight. That was glossed over a bit. I'm sure Tony's Air Asia board is not full of football executives that no little about running an airline.
He seems anxious to please everyone....disabled supporters or the LSA suggestion of subsidised tickets for the away play-off leg/Wembley....I just hope and pray he is tougher on future player contract agreements....assuming he makes the final rubber stamping decision and players don't 'tap him up' as RM intimated.
Rodnee was my boyhood hero so I'll have nothing bad said against him, but I did disagree with his point about player contracts and him strongly saying this shouldn't be up for debate in a fans forum. Since it is players salaries and the ridiculous contracts that have been signed that are a fundamental reason for our financial issues then I felt that it should have been open and discussed.
I think it's great that the Club has such a session and long may it continue......and we see results........ and it is not just a (Q)PR exercise.
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Post by Roller on May 3, 2014 8:48:36 GMT
With regard to the 'football man' on the board, I got the strong impression that TF feels that the manager should be fulfilling that role and that he has been let down by them (whether that includes the current incumbent wasn't so clear).
I'd disagree with that as the way forwards as we badly need a long term strategy and therefore someone in place for far longer than any manager is likely to be employed for.
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2014 8:54:53 GMT
I thought Marsh came across well. DOn't have to agree with every point he made, but better than I expected
The Forum was a positive. What it didn't have; why need meeting with some a small fan group "Reps" or just QPR1st...is lack of follow ups... Fernandes made a statement...And in real conversation, would have a follow-up question or confirmation/clarification, etc. + a few add questions
re Football man on board: Fernandes made a big point of how We're looking at all these players preparing for next season - whichever division we're in. Well how does that match the Manager signs the players...assuming (not out of the question) that Redknapp won't be the manager. Or are we going back to "The Club" signing players (which might not necessarily be bad - IF we had a Director of Football type situation)
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 4, 2014 10:45:39 GMT
Bullshite, bollox, smoke and mirrors. Blimey, you're a difficult man to please... Thought TF answered questions openly and honestly, I was reassured that that he takes the club, its history, its fans and community seriously and that he is putting in place strategies that will see the club progress in the years to come. Just what did you want the man to say? Would rather the likes of The Venkys, the various crooks that broke Portsmouth, Peter Ridsdale, Ken Bates, Sam Hammam or Vincent Tan owned the club?
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Post by Markqpr on May 4, 2014 11:21:44 GMT
Bullshite, bollox, smoke and mirrors. It aint' even worth giving it that comment. I'm actually surprised he didn't throw t-shirts and other goodies out to the adoring crowd. But mind you I was hardly expecting actual factual answers instead of 'maybe's', 'looking into it' and blaming others like his PR men (outside of the club) taught him to do. Bullshitee, bollox, smoke and mirrors. Blimey, you're a difficult man to please... Thought TF answered questions openly and honestly, I was reassured that that he takes the club, its history, its fans and community seriously and that he is putting in place strategies that will see the club progress in the years to come. Just what did you want the man to say? Would rather the likes of The Venkys, the various crooks that broke Portsmouth, Peter Ridsdale, Ken Bates, Sam Hammam or Vincent Tan owned the club? You keep using that answer about worse owners whenever someone points out Fenandes et als' frailties. It lets you down. The obvious answer is of course not, but what is more telling is how you don't make a case for Fernandes in these situations, no pointing out his actual successes since he took over, just a warning that there is worse out there. If we don't go up in the play offs, how exactly are the Venkys' worse than Fernandes? They don't have a ridiculous debt and the current Blackburn squad isn't earning more than the current Champions League Finalists to begin with. Apart from the spin and bollocks what are the actual differences in terms of achievements and intentions in their respective ownerships?
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 4, 2014 13:43:59 GMT
Signing Rio Ferdinand is a real show of desire.........Not looking long term....or in Rio's case, not looking even very short term either.
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Post by Macmoish on May 4, 2014 13:49:46 GMT
Whatever one's view of Fernandes - and the Forum - I'm very glad we had it.
I'm very glad Fernandes appeared
The next step is for Fernandes to meet with a small group
Some say it's just words: But I'd say we're going to see. 12 Months from now (6 months from now) regardles of Divion, going to see if made changes in spending and wages etc
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Post by Roller on May 4, 2014 14:01:54 GMT
Signing Rio Ferdinand is a real show of desire.........Not looking long term....or in Rio's case, not looking even very short term either. We are entering the silly season again when we are going to be linked with absolutely every player whose contract is expiring, looks slightly unsettled or whose agent is trying to get them a deal somewhere else. I wouldn't attack the board over aging players being linked to us, more than likely just lazy journalism. Should it be true of course, I'll be laying siege to gates at Loftus Road.
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