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Post by Bushman on Aug 20, 2013 22:10:31 GMT
Bump a year (and a couple of weeks)
QPR in talks over flash new home as they look to become next club to upgrade
By CHARLES SALEChampionship club Queen Park Rangers have overtaken west London neighbours and Premier League giants Chelsea in the search for a new stadium. Chelsea’s tortuous hunt has stalled, but QPR are in talks over building a futuristic 40,000-seat ground as part of a massive £10billion Canary Wharf-style development at Old Oak Common, near Wormwood Scrubs and Loftus Road. QPR are advanced enough in negotiations with Hammersmith and Fulham council and the Greater London Authority for a memorandum of understanding to have been drawn up. Possibility: Loftus Road may be replaced by a new stadium if QPR's plan can be achieved The plan is to transform 100 acres of industrial wasteland into a vast railway hub for Crossrail and the proposed HS2 link from Euston to Birmingham. A sports arena will also be built, as well as an office and residential complex with 19,000 homes — more than QPR’s current capacity. The proposals are said to require a £200m contribution from QPR, who have the backing of airline tycoon Tony Fernandes and the Mittal steel family, one of the richest in the UK. A QPR spokesman said: ‘We are taking a good look at various long-term options to see which makes the most sense.’ Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2398533/QPR-talks-flash-new-home--CHARLES-SALE.html#ixzz2cY9AVgUC |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 20, 2013 22:12:59 GMT
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Post by Jon Doeman on Aug 20, 2013 22:19:48 GMT
Will there be a multiplex and bowling? Cos if there is count me in!!  I reckon hs2 is going to be cancelled, will that affect it? |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 20, 2013 22:29:19 GMT
Will be interesting to what degree the Club "Consults" with fans and includes them in the planning...
To what degree is it lip service - and giving the appearance of consultation...
Or letting them/us input on minor things
Or if you say everyone input they then "Channel" views
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Post by Bushman on Aug 20, 2013 22:32:42 GMT
Will there be a multiplex and bowling? Cos if there is count me in!! I reckon hs2 is going to be cancelled, will that affect it? Library as well,Jon |
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Post by CookesPie&Mash on Aug 20, 2013 23:02:14 GMT
Will we be able to get a beer for under a fiver  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 23:28:16 GMT
Will there be a multiplex and bowling? Cos if there is count me in!! I reckon hs2 is going to be cancelled, will that affect it? i give up on you jon. (roll eyes)  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 20, 2013 23:30:25 GMT
F*** me that's big.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 21, 2013 0:05:07 GMT
Those extra 24000 supporters will be provided undoubtedly. The government of Myanmeer w ill conscript them involuntarrily to be permanent
qpr supporters. Biletted in Kensal Rise.
All these new grounds predictions would make a good reality show. Fiction becomes fact, then we learn that Old Oak Common was a code word
for Charles Sale to meet a liaison in Peckham.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 21, 2013 8:02:34 GMT
And a year ago... (Note the spelling) 
Marketing Week
Queen's Park Rangers revamps data strategyMon, 20 Aug 2012 Queens Park Rangers is investing heavily in data as it looks to double attendances ahead of a planned new stadium. QueensParkRangers The West-London club is overhauling the data strategy used across ticketing, retail and hospitality as well as its community and website sign ups in a bid to reach out to its fans of the club that do not attend matches. It will use the data to collect and manage potential customers until it is ready to fulfil its expansion plans. The Premier League team’s owner Tony Fernandes revealed details about the stadium plans last month, saying that the club is planning a 45,000 seater stadium in one of two sites in West London. QPR’s Loftus Road stadium is currently the smallest ground in the Premier League with a capacity of 18,439. Despite average gates of 17,295 in their first season back in the League the club believes that they can fill a stadium double that. QPR will work with data marketing specialists Sports Alliance to develop the initiative, which it claims outlines a “clear vision for our future marketing campaigns.” The club hopes to replicate the data strategies of Premier League giants Arsenal and Manchester United, which are putting their fan membership schemes at the centre of all their marketing activty. Additionally, QPR will be using the data gathered during its pre-season tour of Malaysia last month to exploit interest the trip generated. www.marketingweek.co.uk/4003323.article?cmpid=MWE24&cmptype=newsletter&ern=2F7F5A8E5010CE4D043D13D31217CB4A&email=trueRead more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/32783/queens-park-rangers-revamps-strategy#ixzz2caYVDVi2 |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 21, 2013 10:42:46 GMT
QPR Official Response
Tweets from Ian Taylor
IanJTaylor @ijtaylor81 13m
(1 of 4): In the wake of an article that appeared in today’s Daily Mail relating to a new stadium, the club has issued the following... #QPR
(2 of 4) 'We are looking at a number of potential options for a new stadium & believe that Old Oak could provide one possible solution' #QPR
(3 of 4): ‘We have met with representatives of the GLA and the supporting local authorities to discuss whether ... #QPR
(4 of 4): '... a football stadium could be incorporated into any plan that comes forward for this site.’ #QPR
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 21, 2013 10:45:06 GMT
Full Official Statement
Wednesday 21st August 2013
CLUB STATEMENT
IN the wake of an article that appeared in today’s Daily Mail titled ‘QPR in talks over flash new home as they look to become next club to upgrade,’ the club has issued the following statement.
A QPR Spokesman said:
‘We are looking at a number of potential options for a new stadium and believe that Old Oak could provide one possible solution.
‘We have met with representatives of the GLA and the supporting local authorities to discuss whether a football stadium could be incorporated into any plan that comes forward for this site.’
Issued by Queens Park Rangers Football Club
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Post by Marc on Aug 21, 2013 11:43:27 GMT
So, it will all progress slowly, Arry will roll down the window of his range rover and tell the media that he hopes to complete it soon and then, just as the foundations are about to go in................ ............it'll sign for Chelsea cos it'd rather be a premiership stadium.  |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 21, 2013 23:35:02 GMT
Triffic.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 7:11:25 GMT
And then goes back to who would own the new QPR Stadium...Would QPR be tenants at a ground owned by Fernandes et al....What if they ever sell QPR, will QPR really then be tenants......(what happens to the old QPR Ground - Loftus Road)..Do we "Need" a new 40K Stadium for football purposes, etc - And as I said, what "real" involvement of Fans in stadium development... (Having a museum in a corner....or what colour the seats will be - does not really constitute for me involvement/consultation)
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 7:21:02 GMT
Also Yesterday's Standard - Simon Jonson
QPR begin talks over new stadiumPublished: 21 August 2013 Updated: 11:51, 21 August 2013| Queens Park Rangers today confirmed they are in talks over building a new 40,000 all-seater stadium as part of a massive redevelopment scheme at Old Oak Common. The club have made finding a new ground a priority since owner Tony Fernandes took over two years ago. Old Oak Common, which is close to Loftus Road, has been identified as a potential site for some time with 100 acres of land available earmarked for a huge building scheme. Loftus Road’s capacity is just 18,439 and the hierarchy know that a bigger venue is vital to progress. A club spokesman said: “We are looking at a number of potential options for a new stadium and believe that Old Oak could provide one possible solution. “We have met with representatives of the GLA and the supporting local authorities to discuss whether a football stadium could be incorporated into any plan that comes forward for this site.” Old Oak Common has already been earmarked to have major transport links in place in future, with the potential for both Crossrail and a new London to Birmingham rail service passing through there.
Plans are in place to build offices and 19,000 homes there too, which would help Rangers’ chances of boosting their fanbase and filling the ground.
It has been reported that negotiations with Hammersmith and Fulham council and the Greater London Authority are at an advanced stage, although it will take several years for the building scheme to be carried out. Rangers will be asked to contribute £200m to the venture but money should not be an issue as AirAsia owner Fernandes and the wealthy Mittal family are part of the hierarchy. The club would also be able to raise funds from the sale of Loftus Road, which should command a large fee given that it is in west London and can be used to build properties on. But speaking last month, chief executive Philip Beard admitted that the club had yet to commit to just one idea. He said: “We’re making progress but it’s important we’ve got three or four options. If you decide you’re only going to pursue one option and nothing works you’re back to the start again. We’ve got plans and want to stay as close as we can to Loftus Road, that’s important. We want to recreate the atmosphere but if we’re going to do something it’s got to be a multi-use facility.”Wherever Rangers move to, plans are also believed to be in place for it to be named the AirAsia Stadium. Rangers are hoping to start work soon on building a new £25m training ground at the Warren Farm site in Southall. That project is still the subject of a legal challenge from local residents but the club do not expect any problems. www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/qpr-begin-talks-over-new-stadium-8777976.html
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 7:22:06 GMT
Also Yesterday's Standard - Simon Jonson QPR begin talks over new stadium ..... Rangers will be asked to contribute £200m to the venture but money should not be an issue as AirAsia owner Fernandes and the wealthy Mittal family are part of the hierarchy.
The club would also be able to raise funds from the sale of Loftus Road, which should command a large fee given that it is in west London and can be used to build properties on...... Wherever Rangers move to, plans are also believed to be in place for it to be named the AirAsia Stadium. Rangers are hoping to start work soon on building a new £25m training ground at the Warren Farm site in Southall. That project is still the subject of a legal challenge from local residents but the club do not expect any problems. www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/qpr-begin-talks-over-new-stadium-8777976.htmlHow much do you think "We" could get for the sale of Loftus Road? Isn't it already Mortgaged? And are there any restrictions on our selling it "to build properties"? |
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Post by sharky on Aug 22, 2013 7:24:58 GMT
LR to become AAS or ars for short?!  |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 7:28:56 GMT
I think the NEW Stadium will be "Air Asia Stadium"
(Shouldn't we really switch our colours to Red and White?!)
Loftus Road will become - The Loftus Road Deluxe Housing Area ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 7:55:02 GMT
Is there not a deed of covenant on the ground that it has to be used for sport?
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Post by Bushman on Aug 22, 2013 8:22:08 GMT
Is there not a deed of covenant on the ground that it has to be used for sport? Correct. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 22, 2013 8:31:45 GMT
Is there not a deed of covenant on the ground that it has to be used for sport? Correct. But a covenant can be lifted either with the permission of the person/organisation who imposed it or through the courts. If the club can demonstrate alternative provision then either the courts or the person/organisation maybe happy to lift the restriction |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 8:41:43 GMT
But a covenant can be lifted either with the permission of the person/organisation who imposed it or through the courts. If the club can demonstrate alternative provision then either the courts or the person/organisation maybe happy to lift the restriction Is a "Deed of Covenant" inviolable....can it be amended/retracted, etc? Who decides? If it's the local council - and the new QPR stadium would be part of this new estate - help jobs, etc, could envisage they might be more willing to do so - if it's them... Would local reaction play a role? (And as I've noted before: I would hate for QPR to sell Loftus Road - then play "temporarily" at Fulham/Brentford/Chelsea - while building new stadium) |
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Post by Bushman on Aug 22, 2013 8:45:15 GMT
But a covenant can be lifted either with the permission of the person/organisation who imposed it or through the courts. If the club can demonstrate alternative provision then either the courts or the person/organisation maybe happy to lift the restriction A restrictive covenant is a promise by one person to another, (such as a buyer of land and a seller) not to do certain things with the land or property. It binds the land and not an individual owner, it "runs with the land". Which means that the restrictive covenant continues over the land or property even when the current owner(s) sells it to another person. |
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Post by alfaranger on Aug 22, 2013 8:49:38 GMT
I And then goes back to who would own the new QPR Stadium...Would QPR be tenants at a ground owned by Fernandes et al....What if they ever sell QPR, will QPR really then be tenants......(what happens to the old QPR Ground - Loftus Road)..Do we "Need" a new 40K Stadium for football purposes, etc - And as I said, what "real" involvement of Fans in stadium development... (Having a museum in a corner....or what colour the seats will be - does not really constitute for me involvement/consultation) This all been foretold. 2000 years ago 3 men came from the East. They were called the Magi. The letter's making up that word were meant to have been written backwards and linked to 2 further letter's of power, n and h, given to us by the old ones and scribed inside the ancient pyramids and caves. The CIA stole these from the peoples of the earth and hid them in a warehouse. The secret is there in the rearranged letter's I-N-G-H-A-M The revelations of Ingham have been hidden from human sight (but are now available in dvd or ebook for £19.99 carriage paid) and this passage from his 14th tome is relevant in today's world. It was Lord Byron who wrote - A Saviour will come from the East Disguised as a man but really The Beast A home They had for a hundred years Worry not, he said, I will soothe your fears Men shall fly and reach the moon And QPR will pursue its doom He'll find a place to make his own And call himself Uncle 'Tone' Now, if you think that's boll*x just remember that Jeffrey Archer made a million or two from doing just that! |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 9:05:54 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 9:06:10 GMT
And this was Dave McIntyre in APril
POSTED YESTERDAY - NEW QPR STADIUM UPDATE
Yesterday, The Guardian reported on a new 15 million pound Loan taken out by QPR and there were concerns about QPR Financial losses and growing debts.
Today a tweet from Chairman Fernandes offered a brief explanation.
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes4h: "Loan for qpr is for new stadium. Next 2 weeks will be hopefully good news. But work is starting. We will not say anymore on stadium."as near.
Dave McIntyre/West London Sport
QPR owners stay committed because their eyes are on the prize
17/04/2013
There has been plenty of speculation about QPR’s finances and how the club’s owners will respond to relegation.
It’s become trendy to suggest Rangers might ‘do a Portsmouth’ – a grim picture painted with some relish by Tony Fernandes’ detractors.
This misses the point, as does basking in the warm glow of assurances about his long-term commitment whenever such platitudes are trotted out.
Both sides are failing to see the bigger picture.
Be in no doubt that Rangers’ owners will remain absolutely committed to their project and have no intention of walking away, regardless of which division the team are in.
Because, although relegation is an obvious major setback, when it comes to the regime’s long-term ambitions, the importance of which division Rangers are in next season is easily overstated.
Notice that whenever the likes of Fernandes and Philip Beard restate the shareholders’ commitment they almost always mention a new stadium in the next breath. That’s no accident.
Leaving Loftus Road is a key aim.
Fernandes is presented with a PR open goal when he can heroically reaffirm his commitment to the cause in the face of relegation – because it’s the pursuit of a new sports and entertainment venue, not whether Rangers stay in the top flight, that locks the owners in for the long haul.
Any hitch there would be much more significant than relegation – a potential game changer.
But, Crossrail permitting, such a hitch looks increasingly unlikely.
A new sport and leisure complex in the west/north-west London area could generate an absolute fortune – more than enough to dwarf even the huge losses incurred by Rangers’ feckless spending.
It would be comparable to the regeneration of areas of east London and so would the subsequent wealth to spring from it.
It would also establish QPR’s Malaysian shareholders as major players in London – one of the most prominent cities in the world.
It’s why Beard, a man with little football knowledge or understanding of QPR fans’ priorities, but with a background in branding and having helped establish the O2 Arena as a leading entertainment destination, was installed as chief executive.
And it’s why Fernandes appears so calm and committed despite ill-informed assumptions that the club’s owners can’t sustain the current level of spending.
They can sustain it. And they will sustain it while there’s a potential pot of gold in sight. Much has been lost, but there’s still an awful lot to be gained.
So, fully committed? Absolutely. In it for the long haul? Too right.
A £15m loan secured against the club’s assets last month looks suspicious and will inevitably be taken as a sign of financial stress and the commitment of the regime possibly wavering.
Again, this move has been made largely with the new stadium in mind.
It is a strategic move by Fernandes and chums to test a relationship with lenders Barclays Hong Kong – a growing relationship which has existed for some time and could be called upon in future years if, despite their collective wealth, Rangers’ owners are not keen to fund the entire cost of a new stadium and training ground.
QPR plan to repay it quickly, possibly within three or four months.
In securing such a loan while facing relegation from the Premier League, and in a climate in which banks are reluctant to loan money to football clubs, Rangers have established that, going forward, they won’t have problems getting access to cash.
Of course, ‘doing a Portsmouth’ can’t be ruled out. No amount of money is finite, losses cannot be permanently sustainable, loans secured against the club’s assets are never something to savour, and failing to get back into the top flight would be problematic.
So too would relegation from the Championship which, although an outcome Fernandes’ army of believers probably won’t contemplate, is entirely possible given the shambles he continues to preside over.
But the regime’s pockets are deep and their eyes are on the prize. So although a Pompey-style meltdown could happen, as things stand the club is more likely to end up spiritually rather than financially ruined.
Many dismiss Fernandes’ vision of a 40,000-capacity stadium as a bizarre and misguided pipe dream, given QPR’s relatively modest fan base.
They fail to understand the scope of his rebranding project, which is every bit as radical as Flavio Briatore’s despite the more touchy feely style.
Football, QPR and the London landscape are changing rapidly and over the next few years are likely to change even more.
A state-of-the-art stadium and leisure complex in an overhauled area of west/north-west London, which is home to high-profile players from parts of the world where the Premier League (which Rangers hope to be back in by then) is massive, would be a huge attraction – and extremely profitable.
It would also mean the end of QPR as we know it, which for some will equate to a Wimbledon-style killing of their club and for others will be necessary progress given Rangers’ limited growth potential while they remain at Loftus Road.
Either way, it’s a project Fernandes and co remain determined to press ahead with. West London Sport
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Aug 22, 2013 9:15:49 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 10:06:35 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2013 12:07:31 GMT
Council wants reactions... |
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