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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2012 11:12:33 GMT
Chairman Fernandes Tweets
Reading some of the rubbish on Twitter. Club is being rebuilt. We inherited little. New training ground coming. New stadium. New coaching. New youth recruitment. Good commercial team. So keep the faith
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2012 11:13:41 GMT
And Fernandes Retweet (kudos for doing so)
simon cashman â€@superhoop007
@tonyfernandes @philipb1 Disappointed. Looks like we're down. Think you must take responsibility for this shambles. You got it very wrong.
Retweeted by Tony Fernandes
8h Raghu Bala Raghu Bala â€@raghurambala
@officialqpr @tonyfernandes to be fair all players, today we were quite decent as a team.Ref was nuts-WBA 2nd goal and no penalty for us!!!
Retweeted by Tony Fernandes
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 27, 2012 11:42:25 GMT
Think people should lay off Tony. He trusted Hughes, Beard and Rigg to spend his money wisely and they have all let him (and of course us) down massively.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2012 11:47:52 GMT
One question might be: Has he learned from his mistakes? #Stability and Denigrating Fans who argue a different way suggests maybe not. - Beard is still around. And Beard was appointed by Fernandes. He didn't pretend (I assume) to have Football expertise. - Will he do things differently in future? Bottom Line:  |
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Post by nomar on Dec 27, 2012 12:13:32 GMT
Fernandes vision has led to us buying out of date galactico's with no interest at all in putting their all into playing for QPR and just in it for the money.
QPR appears to be a sideshow for Air Asia. Currently the side show is now a freak show.
Love my club but thoroughly embarrassed about the laughingstock we have become.
This season is about as painful a season as I can remember. Like watching a loved one on life support and every week the few vital signs left start being extinguished.
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Post by Hogan on Dec 27, 2012 13:41:33 GMT
Chairman Fernandes Tweets Reading some of the rubbish on Twitter. Club is being rebuilt. We inherited little. New training ground coming. New stadium. New coaching. New youth recruitment. Good commercial team. So keep the faith Yes inherited little, but appointed non football people to senior positions and then allowed himself to get mugged off by parasite agents and spunked millions on the wrong transfer policy. New training ground, yes it is on its way, well done. New stadium, erm, where? And we dont really need one, not when the club has not taken back ownership of the one we occupy! And as for the 45000 capacity etc, living on cloud cuckoo land, in regards QPR and football anyway, if it is for any other purpose then it isnt QPR related so is irrelevant. Good commercial team? Erm? ...........Remains to be seen unless i have missed something. So it comes down the most importand aspect to a football club, the results and on the pitch performances, where TF and co score very low indeed and what he will be ultimately judged on. |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2012 13:45:02 GMT
Chairman Fernandes Tweets Reading some of the rubbish on Twitter. Club is being rebuilt. We inherited little. New training ground coming. New stadium. New coaching. New youth recruitment. Good commercial team. So keep the faith Yes inherited little, but appointed non football people to senior positions and then allowed himself to get mugged off by parasite agents and spunked millions on the wrong transfer policy. New training ground, yes it is on its way, well done. New stadium, erm, where? And we dont really need one, not when the club has not taken back ownership of the one we occupy! And as for the 45000 capacity etc, living on cloud cuckoo land, in regards QPR and football anyway, if it is for any other purpose then it isnt QPR related so is irrelevant. Good commercial team? Erm? ...........Remains to be seen unless i have missed something. So it comes down the most importand aspect to a football club, the results and on the pitch performances, where TF and co score very low indeed and what he will be ultimately judged on. I Like your thinking. This is what I tweeted back to Tony (not that I "neccesarily" expect him to read it/respond!) 2h QPR REPORT QPR REPORT †qprreport@tonyfernandes You "Inherited" Premiership Team. Wasted Millions on Coaches & Players..A 45K Stadium -owned by you/not #QPR - Vastly too big @tonyfernandes But...Absolutely Hope You Stay...Hope you've learned from your Honest Mistakes...Hope you Get Football Expertise to Help You |
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Post by Hogan on Dec 27, 2012 13:56:18 GMT
The bottom line is what is that people learn from mistakes and dont keep making the same ones over and over, whether they are the good honest kind or not.
Chris Wright made good honest mistakes, we are still paying for those in one way or another, so sentiment aside, there is now no margin for error at the eleventh hour, whilst all the nice friendly talk and handshaking takes place, in reality we have a chairman who fluffed his lines whilst trying to convey that they are in it for the long term, well, until May 2013.
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Post by Hogan on Dec 27, 2012 14:04:31 GMT
Think people should lay off Tony. He trusted Hughes, Beard and Rigg to spend his money wisely and they have all let him (and of course us) down massively. In any business that kind of blind faith would cost a chairman or CEO his job, so he really is getting an easy ride here, messing up my/our club. So if he is held to account by those people who question his strategy, motives and long term ambition then those people are entitled to do so. Laying off is in effect turning a blind eye, burying ones head in the sand and hoping it all turns out alright. I think more and more will stop turning a blind eye as time goes by, our Tone has had a lot of goodwill from us fans, possibly because of what went on before and also because he seems a genuinely nice guy, however i refer to the above. |
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Post by steveb66 on Dec 27, 2012 14:34:37 GMT
I dont think for one minute we are the laughing stock, in fact I hate to hear our fans call us this.
Fernandes and Beard have tried to do their best for QPR, most Chairman will appoint a Manager and will provide the funds for that manager to spend on who he feels best fits the club. I absolutely agree that with the benefit of hindsight a lot of the players both Warnock and Hughes signed have not stepped up to the plate but to blame Fernandes and Beard for this is hypocrisy. If they had chosen to meddle or influence signings they would have fallen under the sword and been repeating the mistakes of the Paladini/Ecclestone/Briatore era when we truly were the laughing stock.
When I read the messageboards and follow QPR fans on Twitter I really do wonder what the fans truly want for, sometimes. The money from the Premier League is critical to QPR, particularly as we are a club in transition but the Holy Grail of top six football is much a noose as a chalice, look at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City etc they are all prepared to kiss their managers arse when the win 5-0 but two weeks later and a couple of mediocre performances down the line and they want his head on a plate.
Its not what I want for QPR. Im sticking with Harry on this one that the management team at QPR is one if not the best we've ever had and those that dont agree must have incredibly short memories.
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Post by Hogan on Dec 27, 2012 14:43:14 GMT
These have meddled too, it was our Tone who first came out with Parker, then Barton, and the talk of Beckham, it was their decision to sign Park. QPR is just a tool, a vehicle for their publicityPR and is cheaper for them to operate than to buy advertising.
The fact that they are most likely nice people is irrelevant.
If they saw QPR as anything other than that they would by now have appointed a person with a strong QPr connection to the board, they haven't because that person would view many decisions differently and from a totally QPR perspective.
We are much worse than a laughing stock, we are smashing some amazing records as we go along the uncle Tone ride. Harry will say what he feels will get him what he wants, he has always been very good at that, he has a way with playing the media and has mastered the art of good PR and promoting his agenda. Don't get me wrong, i am glad he is here.
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Post by steveb66 on Dec 27, 2012 14:50:58 GMT
One to disagree on there then. Fernandes has pumped and intends to keep on pumping money in to Rangers (whatever his objectives or motives.) When you look at our back catalogue of Chairmen I cant think of anyone that comes close to his level of financial input. Despite his mistakes I still believe, on balance, that his coming to QPR has to be viewed as medium to long term positive even if shorterm things are not going to plan.
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Post by nomar on Dec 27, 2012 15:03:19 GMT
And you believe that simply throwing more and more money at a problem makes him a good owner?
By that logic I'm only a good father to my kids if I put my hand in my pocket every time they ask for something.
Fernandes agenda is the reason why we have people like Park, Bosingwa and Barton on the payroll right now and are the proud new owners of Swindon Town's unwanted winless record.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2012 15:30:31 GMT
Seperate Matter from Q&A With Tony Fernandes Question 5: You have been accused of using your vehicle, in this case Air Asia, in purchasing the English FootBall Club Queens Park Rangers. Forcing the large conglomerate Air Asia to squeeze its finances and force a less spending policy. Why ? Can you explain in detail ? No such thing. We bought with our own money. Airasia has recorded record profits. We have the most independant directors. How would they allow that. Question 6: Your total salary/directors fee/remuneration and extras from 2001 to 2011 does not equal the purchase price of QPR. Where did you source for financing ? We own shares in the company. We sold shares. Din and myself started 50 percent. We now own 25 percent. kritis-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4983:exclusive-with-tony-fernandes-finale-part-3-tonyfernandes&catid=39:english&Itemid=141 |
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Post by scarletpimple on Dec 27, 2012 17:43:43 GMT
I very much doubt if Tony is pumping in any of his own wealth into the club, Loans may be, the club is prob saddled with millions of internal debt, but were not in debt to any outside providers..........so were not in any debt?  the money came from tree's.  |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2012 19:29:32 GMT
It's interesting how when you tweet critical questions or even mild criticisms of Fernandes, some of the tweets back you get (Not of course from the Chairman)
There's this Pedestal people put their Chairman (or Manager) on - Either flawless or totally Flawed. And obviously there's a lot in between those two options.
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Post by deannw10 on Dec 27, 2012 20:32:36 GMT
Does anybody know what is happening with regards to the new stadium?.park royal,white city,harrow and ladbroke grove where all rumoured during the summer and we were told there would be an announcement in a couple months,but that was back in July.
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Post by nomar on Dec 27, 2012 20:48:01 GMT
Does anybody know what is happening with regards to the new stadium?.park royal,white city,harrow and ladbroke grove where all rumoured during the summer and we were told there would be an announcement in a couple months,but that was back in July. The usual Fernandes self promoting tweets I suspect. Just like his transfer policy, full of spin and tease but absoutely no substance behind it. If he spent less time twittering nothingness and dreaming up grand plans doomed to failure and spent more time running the club within its humble means then we wouldn't be in this mess now. Expect more lofty teasers come Jan 1st about the next out of date galactico we are going to pay massively over the odds for in the upcoming window. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 28, 2012 0:33:41 GMT
I have a question. Our bills have been stacking up but who is actually paying them? TF out of his dosh? Mittal's from their stash? The EPL dosh given out to clubs? or is the club in some seriously owing doodoo?
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Post by Sabas on Dec 28, 2012 8:04:18 GMT
It was Fernandes's idea to buy Park; he was the 2nd most expensive transfer in this summer window and in quite a few years, if I'm not mistaken. Get it right - invest in the players we do actually need (not the 'franchise players') - and maybe you have a chance. The club have wasted their money, time and effort on some very wrong causes; and then kept refusing to admit their mistakes, until it was too late.
So no, let's not lay off of Tony. Let's not pretend he has nothing to do with this failure.
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Post by Sabas on Dec 28, 2012 8:09:02 GMT
TF kept on repeating that Hughes was the best thing to happen to QPR. Then, after they sacked him, it was hinted that it wasn't Tony's idea. And then later, Tony says that they all happily sacked Hughes because Harry was available.
Stability vs Opportunism. Make up your mind or stop bullsh!ting.
I want to like the guy, but I just cannot trust him.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 28, 2012 9:59:01 GMT
As Chico Marx said in "Duck Soup"
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
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Post by steveb66 on Dec 28, 2012 10:55:37 GMT
The point I was making is that the majority on this board were probably cock-a-hoop when we announced the signings of a Portugese international Champions League winner, a top Spanish midfielder from Real Madrid, a goalkeeper from AC Milan, a proven goalscorer at the highest level etc now with the benefit of hindsight they are all crap, are just here for the money, dont play for the badge and its all Fernandes and Beards fault.
What people keep forgetting is that a club that has a ground capacity of 18000 is not going to buy 30 million pound players and therefore (as HR said) there is an element of gamble when you are dealing in our end of the market.
I will also wager that of all the signings we made in the last couple of windows, Ryan Nelsen was the player that we most were lukewarm and the least excited about given his age and the fact he hadnt been doing anything at Spurs and look it him go.
Retrospectively we can all the be Top Managers and Chairman for that matter.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 28, 2012 11:05:26 GMT
The point I was making is that the majority on this board were probably cock-a-hoop when we announced the signings of a Portugese international Champions League winner, a top Spanish midfielder from Real Madrid, a goalkeeper from AC Milan, a proven goalscorer at the highest level etc now with the benefit of hindsight they are all crap, are just here for the money, dont play for the badge and its all Fernandes and Beards fault. What people keep forgetting is that a club that has a ground capacity of 18000 is not going to buy 30 million pound players and therefore (as HR said) there is an element of gamble when you are dealing in our end of the market. I will also wager that of all the signings we made in the last couple of windows, Ryan Nelsen was the player that we most were lukewarm and the least excited about given his age and the fact he hadnt been doing anything at Spurs and look it him go. Retrospectively we can all the be Top Managers and Chairman for that matter. There's a degree of truth in what you say...That's why I've bumped a few threads which showed our view at the time, on various signings and hires. And can see what we felt about it all. |
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Post by scarletpimple on Dec 28, 2012 12:26:41 GMT
If its such a gamble for us why gamble taking old players who have had a lot of success at other clubs and are now looking for a retirement plan and on high wages to boot.
We have a scouting setup why not use it to look at lower league players as we used too when prev in the prem, this summer just gone we were a laughing stock with our transfer dealings.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 28, 2012 12:47:39 GMT
Tony tweets today:
Can't wait for the game against liverpool. Excited about transfer window. We got good squad. Win lose or draw I love being involved with QPR.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 28, 2012 12:52:31 GMT
Fernandes goes on
We badly missed jonhson and zamorra. We can correct that. And we always wanted one centreback. We tried. But never to late.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Dec 28, 2012 13:06:39 GMT
I am becoming a bit worried about Tony F, all that flying about here and there with Air Asia. It can lead to a Altitude Sickness or in his case a Attitude Sickness which leads to becoming disorientated. 
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 28, 2012 13:23:13 GMT
OK at the risk being called a toady I still have a lot of time for Fernandes....as Steveb66 said very few argued at the time with the signings (though most thought we were short a CB and striker), most thought that Hughes was a good appointment (even those who thought he jumped to early with Warnock) and we have cried out for a chairman to back a manager. Beard has impressive credentials and we have no reason to believe that he will not turn out to be a sensible appointment, they have converted most of our external debt into internal (up to you to decide whether you think that better or worse than ABC), they organised an impressive pre season tour, they clearly are pumping a large amount of cash into a training facility which cant have a significant commercial return and as for the 35-45K stadium, its quite clear that something is happening and Beard's appointment points to a significant arena (clearly the ground hasn't really been owned by us for sometime).
Yes he's made mistakes but in my opinion understandable ones and yes he's a self publicist but thats hardly a crime...I've read a lot of 20/20 hindsight on this and other board and I think the real test will be if we go down (as seems inevitable) and what happens then.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 28, 2012 13:30:22 GMT
First you wont be called a Toady for supporting/defending Fernandes. I'd only use that term for someone who hoped to benefit by not criticizing the existing Chairman (or the previous chairman when he was Chairman...or the one before that...) Hmmm I think most of us think as Chairmen go, Fernandes is probably better than most. But still makes errors and still subject to critiicsm and subject to questioning. Re: Debt I guess we'll find that out. I imagine the QPR accounts in a couple of months will show more big losses and a bigger debt. And yes, if we go down, we definitely will see. |
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